Rodykitty Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I can see no one here can take a joke when they see one...Yeesh, had someone earlier quote me to identify what I said was a joke sleep.gif Why would I waste my time making a farce on a tier list for? What is this I don't even... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Spy hackin' mah sentry! Seriously, was joking about being irrational. I think. Edited February 15, 2009 by Grandjackal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I don't know what you're talking about, and it seems like it's on a personal level. All I know is that Samson is going to be instant Low-Mid unless people can prove the Gra Soldiers really do hinder your turn count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Also, http://fireemblem.shinranet.com/femote/guia/cap17.htm Even if they did move (my memory is extremely foggy - but I know for a FACT that they don't attack), considering the entirety of the map, it wouldn't waste your turn count, if any, at all. And there's 14 characters, which backs up my point somewhat further. Edited February 15, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I'm not sure what just happened either and it seemed totally random. But when did free exp until after recruiting sheema and samson (the turn you'll be dancing marth to sieze the throne) suddenly become so bad we must forget about it for two lackluster prepromotes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Samson isn't lackluster, and EXP doesn't matter when your units are already pretty powerful anyway. (Besides, you've got half the map to worry about and you can always wait near the Gra soldiers anyway... there's still only three units inside Sheema's door.) -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Even if they did move, considering the entirety of the map, it wouldn't waste your turn count, if any, at all.Wow, you guys suck. Had my playthrough of the chapter been more fresh in my memory, I would have known better.But when did free exp until after recruiting sheema and samson (the turn you'll be dancing marth to sieze the throne) suddenly become so bad we must forget about it for two lackluster prepromotes?Gra soldiers only give like 16 EXP each. There's no possible way you can be this desperate for EXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 They actually give 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 So the argument is....we don't want exp...because units are good enough, EVEN THOUGH they could still benefit from exp still? Ooooookaaaaayyyy? Oh, then Nathan brings up the waiting next to the gra soldiers.....fine, he convinced me there. it's easy enough. Smartass...*grumbles in defeat* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 There's also 14 available chars in the chapter (15 with Marth) and exactly 9 Gra soldiers. I think we're fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) I'm not going to give a care what BB or GrandJackal will say, Samson is now in Low-Mid tier, and you will like the fact that he's in lower mid tier. Because of this significant breakthrough, I made a couple of other changes as well. =Top Tier= Paola Sirius Katua Oguma Marth Linda =High Tier= Nabarl Feena Chainy Minerva Wendel Luke Cecil Kain Roddy Marisa Julian ==Upper-Mid Tier== Kashim Maric Yubello Elren Yumina Sheeda Abel ==Lower-Mid Tier== George Gordon Ricardo Doga Machis Samuto Ryan Chiki Astoria Samson Medea Banetou ==Low Tier== Alan Warren ==Bottom Tier== Roshe Est Sheema =Bishop tier, based on hawtness= Lena Maria Elice Nyna Edited February 15, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Looks fine to me... *grumbles* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I still feel at the very least Bishops>Sheema. Even if Sheema's not slowing you down, she is still epic failure. Nonexistant AS, and crappy HP kinda kills her walling ability, never mind her offense fails. While Elice has an emergency fortify, what's Sheema going to do, suck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 If you're going to put Est in Bottom tier, at least don't be a hypocrite because Sheema doesn't die nearly as much as Est can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Est does have some degree of a time to be useful, though, and she can kind of sort of do SOMETHING with Mercurius. Even if she does waste a rescue staff. I mean hell, you can even turn her into something of a glass cannon. Sheema can never do anything, ever. Edited February 15, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Yeah because being able to use Knight Killer and not die to every other thing in the next chapter is really stupid eh? Fun fact: the only things that can really hurt her? The generals to the right. You don't lose shit (other than Roshe) for killing the mounts to the north, they don't double her and frankly, the Paladins do 4 damage a hit against her. That means about 7 hits until she dies. Roshea and Vyland have 22 attack apiece (6 hits to die, so 6-7 hits total), though. The Horseman? Wolf and Sedgar have all of 17 attack against her, and the other Horseman have 16 attack. That's 0 damage. ^_^ Sucks, Est has a bow weakness and takes like 13 damage per enemy at base level. If she's not at base level... well, she still takes a bunch of damage. -_- Est can double them, but who gives a shit? I'm arguing that Sheema isn't meant to be an entire tier and a huge gap below Est, not that Sheema > Est. Frankly I don't care about the latter. Edited February 15, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 The Gra soldiers don't get in your way. And there are only like 9 of them. Spread across the map. So they're not getting in your way really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) I'll let you two argue this. I should go to bed. Edited February 15, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 something about dead horses and beating stuff somehow becomes relevant I'm not sure that I follow this metaphor, but I'm sure it means something... You can use the bishops for a quick heal or something. What's Sheema gonna do, keep failing? Ellis and Maria are the only Bishops that are useful, actually. Maria has Recover to heal those heavy wounds that you might have suffered against the Earth Dragon's wrath, and Ellis has another Reserve Wand. Very useful, in case that your other one broke. Sheema is more trouble than she is worth. She is only good on her own soldiers, and the Thieves in Chapter 18. You probably can give her a Manual, so that she can use the Gladius for Dragon Valley. That is about the only use that I can find for her though. ll, it's no longer as much of a penalty to Chiki anymore since we figured out that she can just use the Firestone that Banutu comes with. Actually, Banut lost the stone to a Thief in Chapter 8. =P In fact they barely move and they don't even attack. How is that "getting in your way"? They don't get in your way. They actually move out of your way as you get closer to them. Fun fact: the only things that can really hurt her? The generals to the right. You don't lose shit (other than Roshe) for killing the mounts to the north, they don't double her and frankly, the Paladins do 4 damage a hit against her. That means about 7 hits until she dies. Roshea and Vyland have 22 attack apiece, though. The Horseman? Wolf and Sedgar have all of 17 attack against her, and the other Horseman have 16 attack. That's 0 damage. Actually, I never have thought of that either. What happens after slaying the Paladins?? Do the Dragon Knights come afterwards?? :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Maria has Recover to heal those heavy wounds that you might have suffered against the Earth Dragon's wrath, and Ellis has another Reserve Wand. Very useful, in case that your other one broke. And these staves can't be passed on to other bishops for what reason...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure that I follow this metaphor, but I'm sure it means something...The phrase "beating a dead horse"?Actually, I never have thought of that either. What happens after slaying the Paladins?? Do the Dragon Knights come afterwards??Yeah but I don't think it's particularly wise for Sheema to take them on. Granted, Est can't do it either, but that's why they're that low on the tier list.Dragon Knights come after the thieves. Edited February 15, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) =Top Tier= Paola Sirius Katua Oguma Marth Linda =High Tier= Nabarl Feena Chainy Minerva Wendel Luke Cecil Kain Roddy Marisa Julian ==Upper-Mid Tier== Kashim Maric Yubello Elren Yumina Abel Sheeda ==Lower-Mid Tier== George Gordon Ricardo Doga Machis Samuto Ryan Chiki Astoria Samson Medea Banetou ==Low Tier== Alan Warren ==Bottom Tier== Roshe =Bishop tier, based on hawtness= Lena Maria Elice Nyna ==Fail== Est ==Worse than Est== Sheema Edited February 16, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Didn't we agree that Abel>Shiida ages ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Didn't we agree that Abel>Shiida ages ago? Why are you people waiting to point these things out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Well we DID mention it ages ago...In fact, I thought you were one of the guys who agreed with me. Almost instantly. Besides man, can't see an updated list till you post it. I just noticed they didn't move is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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