TheEnd Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) "A bullet hell!?" Keima knows his tropes. 8D Dude Invoking tropes is what Keima does all the time Edited June 17, 2011 by TheEnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Dude Invoking tropes is what Keima does all the time Hmm, depends on the definition of "tropes." One of the better classifications of "tropes" involves separating them into schemes and tropes. Generally, various kinds of wordplay involving spelling and such become "schemes." I realize this may not be very useful for those on tvtropes discussing anime, video games and the like, but when talking about rhetorical/literary structure, it's quite useful to have this sort of general description. (And tvtropes does "invoke" literary stuff, so...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lux Aeterna Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Dude Invoking tropes is what Keima does all the time Well, yes, but he named one, that's what I am happy about. I recognize that his whole classification of the capture targets is defining them by tropes, but yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hmm, depends on the definition of "tropes." Not it doesn't, because the context of the conversation already has a definition implied by the level of knowledge and care of the participants In other words, "tropes as seen in tvtropes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxas Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 "A bullet hell!?" Keima knows his tropes. 8D Fucking Princess Derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lux Aeterna Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Roxas Brawl you me whaddya say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Not it doesn't, because the context of the conversation already has a definition implied by the level of knowledge and care of the participants In other words, "tropes as seen in tvtropes" Right, But, Tvtropes uses sources which define tropes differently, thereby making its definition of tropes assailable from those who have differrent definitions. Why is tvtropes's definition of how it sees tropes, quite problematic due to the way in which it is expressed, so unassailable that it cannot be challenged by a relative outsider and have such a challenge be left ignored? The only reason to ignore such a challenge, rather than destroying it, is because it cannot be destroyed, or because one does not particularly care about how a meaning is expressed (very important factor in any discussion). TVtropes even defines deconstruction, though the last time I examined the argument I felt it quite lacking in any sort of faithfulness to the way in which it borrows from an academic concept (see derrida as the foremost example of a deconstructionist, IIRC) and broadens it. It would be very disappointing if a site with a description of deconstruction, and those who use it, are unable to deal with deconstruction themselves. It would even be pitiful. I do not believe tvtropers are that weak, I think they put a great deal of thought into editing the site, but I still think they are worth questioning from time to time. I think it is worth cutting into a conversation and saying, "but have you considered that you are crafting castles in the sky?" as someone who builds them myself. TVtropes considers itself a fairly open place to converse on such subjects, so the idea that breaking into its argument is somehow against its spirit is laughable. (NOTE, I do not constantly go on tvtropes and attack its definition of tropes, in fact I am not sure that I ever have edited anything on tvtropes, but I have some idea of the way in which articles are written etc because I do use it in order to find out aspects of games I'm not knowledgable about) Why should I privelege tropes as seen by tvtropes over tropes as seen by other sources? Because of its popularity? Let's think about some other popular things, and ask if popularity is a good measure..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Right, But, Tvtropes uses sources which define tropes differently, thereby making its definition of tropes assailable from those who have differrent definitions. Why is tvtropes's definition of how it sees tropes, quite problematic due to the way in which it is expressed, so unassailable that it cannot be challenged by a relative outsider and have such a challenge be left ignored? The only reason to ignore such a challenge, rather than destroying it, is because it cannot be destroyed, or because one does not particularly care about how a meaning is expressed (very important factor in any discussion). TVtropes even defines deconstruction, though the last time I examined the argument I felt it quite lacking in any sort of faithfulness to the way in which it borrows from an academic concept (see derrida as the foremost example of a deconstructionist, IIRC) and broadens it. It would be very disappointing if a site with a description of deconstruction, and those who use it, are unable to deal with deconstruction themselves. It would even be pitiful. I do not believe tvtropers are that weak, I think they put a great deal of thought into editing the site, but I still think they are worth questioning from time to time. I think it is worth cutting into a conversation and saying, "but have you considered that you are crafting castles in the sky?" as someone who builds them myself. TVtropes is more like an open blog, not a scientific work. I'm sure there are some of its users that actually care about solid definitions and whatnot, but... majority rule kicks in and they're ultimately defeated. If you dig around a bit, you'll even find some pages there snarking at people doing it wrong. TVtropes considers itself a fairly open place to converse on such subjects, so the idea that breaking into its argument is somehow against its spirit is laughable. Are you talking about in-article discussions, perchance? Why should I privelege tropes as seen by tvtropes over tropes as seen by other sources? Because of its popularity? Let's think about some other popular things, and ask if popularity is a good measure..... What's your context? A thesis? An essay? Or a chat with a clueless teenager? And what's the focus of the discussion? In this particular case, for instance: Lux's post can be read as simply "look, this character said something I saw in TVTropes! XD." Why privilege tvtropes in this context? Because it's the subject. Asking WHAT IS A TROPE in such context is akin to hearing somebody say "I was robbed by two men!" and ask "WHAT IS A MAN" in response. I once had a teacher who would talk about the need of a network of shared predefinitions in dialogue and stuff instead of teaching us what he actually had to It was actually pretty cool, too bad most people didn't really agree and he eventually left our uni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalis Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp65oiLdcDg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Roxas Brawl you me whaddya say Shota mudwrestling? In my FE4 THREAD? It's more likely than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 -video- hnnnnng When is it coming oooout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Shota mudwrestling? In my FE4 THREAD? It's more likely than you think. Those two are just shameless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalis Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) hnnnnng When is it coming oooout Fall. I predict October. This took too damn long to find. Edited June 17, 2011 by Chalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lux Aeterna Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 OH MY GOD IT'S THE KITTY <333333 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ϲharlie Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Lux is making me want to kick cats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Bipolashi strikes again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Bipolashi strikes again. Somebody, quick! Call Popo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthur Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 So internet connexion stopped working yesterday for my whole town orz (who had the same ISP) but it is back now. \o/ Going to read gaiden manga now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 So internet connexion stopped working yesterday for my whole town orz (who had the same ISP) but it is back now. \o/ Going to read gaiden manga now. \o/ Sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthur Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 \o/ Sleep. \o/ Just as planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 \o/ Just as planned. Better hide before the sunshine hits me. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 So internet connexion stopped working yesterday for my whole town orz (who had the same ISP) but it is back now. \o/ Going to read gaiden manga now. Were there torches and pitchforks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthur Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Were there torches and pitchforks? I didn't see any. And apparently, it wasn't only my town but the whole region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTG Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Haaaay guys there is now free Ys6 Ark of Napishtim download if you're interested. Offer ends June 30th this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthur Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Haaaay guys there is now free Ys6 Ark of Napishtim download if you're interested. Offer ends June 30th this time. Can't find how to register even with the pictures. D: Send the .exe file please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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