AstraLunaSol Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Everyone Wubs Ishtar. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ...Ishtar... I'll let myself be corrupted too Ishtar... The corruption of NoName. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ......God damn, is FF II harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pride Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ...This may take longer than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ......God damn, is FF II harder. It requires more grinding if anything. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ......God damn, is FF II harder. It requires more grinding if anything. :/ Indeed. but when only one of your 3 party members hits, it gets quite bothersome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) ...This may take longer than expected. You're guaranteed to die quite a number of times... good luck. Here's what it looks like when you're done: Never played FF2, didn't like the level up system and it didn't keep me entertained when I tried it. Edited December 4, 2009 by Vergil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ......God damn, is FF II harder. It requires more grinding if anything. :/ Indeed. but when only one of your 3 party members hits, it gets quite bothersome. That won't help your accuracy leveling. >_> Did you but Maria up front? INVASION OF THE PINK SIMILES!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 That won't help your accuracy leveling. >_> Did you but Maria up front? INVASION OF THE PINK SIMILES!!!!!!! .......THAT IS WHY SHE NEVER DID SHIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassieCinders Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 19/11/2009 16:52:41 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I was wondering something about FE4 19/11/2009 16:52:45 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Where can I get Hand Axes? 19/11/2009 16:52:59 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Kinbois drops the only one in chapter 1 19/11/2009 16:53:20 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Oh, I'll have to have Lex kill him then 19/11/2009 16:53:24 CrashGordon94 Enjolras And Hero weapons be sold? 19/11/2009 16:55:25 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Not really, just sell it in the pawn shop. Lex will have more than enough money anyway. Hero Swords - HaveLex or Holyn talk to Ayra in ch. 3/ Have Patty talk to Celice in ch.7 Lance - Have Cuan talk to Fin in ch.2 Axe - You know this one Bow - If Aideen is lovers with Midir or Jamka have her talk to him in ch.4 Basically the Hero weapons end up with the right person immediately 19/11/2009 16:56:18 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Oh, I was wondering if they could be Pawn Shop'd _________________________ 18/11/2009 18:12:02 CrashGordon94 Enjolras How is Paladin bad? 18/11/2009 18:12:11 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Everyone says mounted people = instant awesome 18/11/2009 18:12:25 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Terrible weapon rank(B Lance, B Sword) and terrible caps 18/11/2009 18:12:45 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Oifey and Aless don't have this problem because of their holy blood 18/11/2009 18:13:06 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Oifaye has Holy Blood?! _________________________ 17/11/2009 19:38:44 Enjolras CrashGordon94 This will be interesting, if Dew gets hit he's on verge of death... 17/11/2009 19:40:07 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Lol, Shagall doesn't even bother to attack him : p 17/11/2009 19:41:58 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Who's Shagall? 17/11/2009 19:42:45 Enjolras CrashGordon94 The king of Agustria http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Chagall 17/11/2009 19:44:05 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Oh, I see 17/11/2009 19:44:43 Enjolras CrashGordon94 And the biggest bastard of Gen.1, next to Langobalt 17/11/2009 19:44:53 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Alvis is the worst 17/11/2009 19:45:03 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I hate him 17/11/2009 19:45:33 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Alvis isn't, he shows remorse in comparison to the others 17/11/2009 19:45:52 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Though if you only count Gen.1, pretty much 17/11/2009 19:46:42 CrashGordon94 Enjolras If we count both, it's Ishtar 17/11/2009 19:47:13 CrashGordon94 Enjolras imhappy 17/11/2009 19:47:34 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Ishtar is one of the least, actually 17/11/2009 19:47:55 CrashGordon94 Enjolras ಠ_ಠ 17/11/2009 19:48:14 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Come on, you can't deny that half the villains are worse than her! 17/11/2009 19:48:45 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Yes, I can. 17/11/2009 19:49:05 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Many of them are good at being villains, aren't aren't overrated bitches, 17/11/2009 19:49:05 CrashGordon94 Enjolras And some even make me laugh 17/11/2009 19:49:54 Enjolras CrashGordon94 So you say Ishtar is the biggest bastard? 17/11/2009 19:50:15 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Why? 17/11/2009 19:50:37 Enjolras CrashGordon94 You said it yourself, we where discussing who's the biggest bastard, you said Ishtar 17/11/2009 19:51:08 CrashGordon94 Enjolras If I say yes, you'll yell at me 17/11/2009 19:51:24 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Because you know that it ain't true 17/11/2009 19:51:55 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Is that another "closet fanboy" joke? -_- 17/11/2009 19:54:30 Enjolras CrashGordon94 No. It's just like that. Blume, Hilda, Morrigan, Yurius, Rodan, Burian, Dannan, Manfroy, Trabant, Disler, Yupheel, the Mage sisters, The peg. sisters and Coruta are all worseand that's only counting Gen. 2 17/11/2009 19:55:40 CrashGordon94 Enjolras .......Anyway 17/11/2009 19:55:46 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Do you hate Andre? 17/11/2009 19:55:53 Enjolras CrashGordon94 I forgot him 17/11/2009 19:56:14 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Scorpio's also worse than Ishtar 17/11/2009 19:56:21 Enjolras CrashGordon94 and yes, I hate Andrei 17/11/2009 19:56:42 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Might I ask why? 17/11/2009 19:57:29 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Umm, because he killed his own father and tried to kill his sisters(Andrei) Because he's just a clone of his father(Scorpio) 17/11/2009 19:57:50 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Oh, I see. 17/11/2009 19:58:20 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I actually kinda like the REAL Villains, like those two, Reptor, Hilda, etc. etc. 17/11/2009 19:58:41 Enjolras CrashGordon94 I tought you hated everything that's bad? 17/11/2009 19:59:01 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I mean, I like them as villains, because they're good villains 17/11/2009 19:59:26 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Plus, I like Black & White morality, and having guys like them as baddies helps. 17/11/2009 19:59:38 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Ishtar's the biggest challenge in the entire game, though this is arguable if you take the Peg. sisters into account 17/11/2009 20:00:08 CrashGordon94 Enjolras ^What has that gotta do with this? _________________________________ 17/11/2009 19:11:20 CrashGordon94 Enjolras (playable characters only) Top Tier: Sigurd Fin Alec Noish Arden Lex Azel Holyn Briggid Ayra Beowulf High Tier: Levin Tiltyu Fury Claude Jamka Upper Mid: Adeen Mid: Everyone else not mentioned here Low: Cuan Ethlin Bottom: Lachesis 17/11/2009 19:12:40 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Based on personality or combat? Because if Personality, then you need to move Tailto, Jamka and Levin a bit higher, I think 17/11/2009 19:13:00 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Based on just how much I like them 17/11/2009 19:13:19 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Well, we'll see when you reach the battle of Barhara 17/11/2009 19:13:53 Enjolras CrashGordon94 You'll notice that Noish is bland and uninteresting, he has no convo's if you don't pair him 17/11/2009 19:14:13 CrashGordon94 Enjolras But he's cool. 17/11/2009 19:14:44 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Unlike that whore of a Princess, or Sigurd's waste of a sister, or her waste of a husband. 17/11/2009 19:15:40 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Yes, but you see the last bit of text he has in the prologue. And he's a terrible unit 17/11/2009 19:16:00 CrashGordon94 Enjolras BUT HE'S FUCKING COOL! 17/11/2009 19:16:20 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I just like him, okay? 17/11/2009 19:17:08 Enjolras CrashGordon94 You're allowed to, but if you like Noish, then why do you go WTF at me liking people you hate? 17/11/2009 19:18:48 CrashGordon94 Enjolras But they're horrible, and nobody should like them. 17/11/2009 19:19:11 Enjolras CrashGordon94 That is ONLY your opinion ______________________________________ 17/11/2009 18:50:22 Enjolras CrashGordon94 So, did my arguments get through to you? 17/11/2009 18:51:43 CrashGordon94 Enjolras How so? 17/11/2009 18:51:52 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Will you use Ethlin? 17/11/2009 18:52:12 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I will in the Prologue 17/11/2009 18:52:21 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I still don't want to past then 17/11/2009 18:53:04 Enjolras CrashGordon94 ...*Repeatedley slams head against wall* WHY NOT? _____________________________________ 17/11/2009 17:19:40 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Azel's fine, only Lester gets screwed up, but plant a Str. ring and a pursuit ring on him and he'll survive 17/11/2009 17:20:00 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Indeed 17/11/2009 17:20:00 CrashGordon94 Enjolras And Lester doesn't matter anyway 17/11/2009 17:20:22 Enjolras CrashGordon94 why not? 17/11/2009 17:21:02 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Because he always kinda sucks 17/11/2009 17:21:24 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Midir!Lester, Jamka!Lester, Fin!Lester, Lex!Lester...he doesn't 17/11/2009 17:21:33 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Fin!Lester is especially good 17/11/2009 17:22:05 CrashGordon94 Enjolras WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PAIRING FIN?! _____________________________________ 16/11/2009 18:51:10 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Also, do you know about alignments? 16/11/2009 18:51:25 Enjolras CrashGordon94 ...? 16/11/2009 18:52:13 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Okay, if you don't here you go:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterAlignment 16/11/2009 18:54:05 CrashGordon94 Enjolras My fav is Chaotic Good! :3 16/11/2009 18:54:19 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Mine is lawful neutral 16/11/2009 18:54:37 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Why not Good? 16/11/2009 18:55:34 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Because I believe in lawful neutral more 16/11/2009 18:55:51 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Meh, okay. 16/11/2009 18:56:22 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I'm okay with Neutrals, though I don't like it a whole lot, people should be Good or Evil. 16/11/2009 18:57:06 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Yhe world's not as simple as just good and evil 16/11/2009 18:57:14 CrashGordon94 Enjolras It should be 16/11/2009 18:57:24 Enjolras CrashGordon94 but it xan'r be 16/11/2009 18:57:32 Enjolras CrashGordon94 can't* 16/11/2009 18:57:36 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Why not? 16/11/2009 18:58:26 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Because that would result in war. There always has to be a neutral person that says both persons are right. 16/11/2009 18:58:52 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Pfft! So there doesn't, there just needs to be enough good to wipe out the evil. 16/11/2009 18:59:34 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Then you don't have a stabile world. if all people are good, the world would be worse. 16/11/2009 19:00:15 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Why would it? 16/11/2009 19:00:25 Enjolras CrashGordon94 All good has its evil 16/11/2009 19:00:26 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Evil is bad, we'd be better off without it. 16/11/2009 19:00:47 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Not really, God is good, and he has no Evil. 16/11/2009 19:01:03 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Similarly, Satan is Evil nad has no Good 16/11/2009 19:02:00 Enjolras CrashGordon94 they're the two sides of the same coin, just like Celice/yurius, Valjean/Javert, etc... 16/11/2009 19:02:12 CrashGordon94 Enjolras *facepalm* 16/11/2009 19:02:32 CrashGordon94 Enjolras No, they aren't, they're seperate, Celice and Julius are too. 16/11/2009 19:03:02 CrashGordon94 Enjolras What you're saying is God =Satan, go tell that to a Christian and not getting contested! ^_^ 16/11/2009 19:03:32 Enjolras CrashGordon94 I don't, I say that the two respond to each other like the 2 sides of a coin 16/11/2009 19:03:42 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Enjolras is lawful goos 16/11/2009 19:03:44 Enjolras CrashGordon94 d 16/11/2009 19:03:51 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Javert is lawful neutral 16/11/2009 19:03:58 Enjolras CrashGordon94 i knew it 16/11/2009 19:04:16 CrashGordon94 Enjolras ಠ_ಠ 16/11/2009 19:04:26 CrashGordon94 Enjolras ^That's all I have to say, just ಠ_ಠ 16/11/2009 19:05:20 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Look, read Les Misérables, it'll change your opinion, for instance the prime antagonist isn't evil, Javert's belief in the law is what makes him seem that way 16/11/2009 19:05:34 CrashGordon94 Enjolras That just puts me off! 16/11/2009 19:05:53 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Black & White Morality FTW! 16/11/2009 19:06:10 Enjolras CrashGordon94 IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT. I think that's enough for now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pride Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 You're guaranteed to die quite a number of times... good luck. Here's what it looks like when you're done: http://i46.tinypic.com/ayoz2d.jpg[/img] ...I'll need the Noel smiley for this one. Also, only two artifacts left in MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassieCinders Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 There's a Lachesis argument, but I'm not posting it because it's contains too much bullshit, and it involves Lachesis not being a whore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 That won't help your accuracy leveling. >_> Did you but Maria up front? INVASION OF THE PINK SIMILES!!!!!!! .......THAT IS WHY SHE NEVER DID SHIT. *headdesk* *wall of text* I think that's enough for now... *giant headdesk* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 You're guaranteed to die quite a number of times... good luck. Here's what it looks like when you're done: http://i46.tinypic.com/ayoz2d.jpg[/img] ...I'll need the Noel smiley for this one. Also, only two artifacts left in MP. Heh Heh Good show soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 This vision of CG is reeeeeally obnoxious, about good/evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassieCinders Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 16/11/2009 17:26:32 Enjolras CrashGordon94 alright. Also, I just don't show my hatred as much as you, but that doesn't mean I hate them less 16/11/2009 17:28:20 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Well, okay, but have you ever dreamed about painfully torturing Hilda? I've dreamt about doing that to Ishtar. 16/11/2009 17:29:13 Enjolras CrashGordon94 I don't get it pressed into my mind by a forum like you get, and I never think about Hilda, unless I'm playing FE4, that's the only moment when I think ABOUT TORTURING HER 16/11/2009 17:30:22 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Okay, well fair enough, and you never have sexual fantasies either. 16/11/2009 17:30:58 Enjolras CrashGordon94 No. but I think even you agree that Hilda is by far the ugliest "female" FE character 16/11/2009 17:32:16 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Nah, Meg, Fiona, Niime, Dorothy, Ena, Priscilla, Ishtar & Lachesis are all worse in my opinion 16/11/2009 17:33:06 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Ishtar and Lachesis...are not ugly. You said yourself that you'd like her as a protagonist, and Lachesis as a non-slut 16/11/2009 17:33:57 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Yews, but Ishtar isn't a good guy, and Lachesis is a slut, so that's irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassieCinders Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 This vision of CG is reeeeeally obnoxious, about good/evil. I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthur Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 CG is to Enjolras what Tremaine is to ALS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassieCinders Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 16/11/2009 16:58:43 Enjolras CrashGordon94 ...why don't you ever correct my use of "Tailto", by the way 16/11/2009 16:59:38 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I do, don't I? If I don't, it's because you've done it so much I've gotten used to it. 16/11/2009 17:00:33 Enjolras CrashGordon94 You use her fan translation name, but you've never edited my posts to use "Tiltyu". BTW, Tailto is her official name so I'm the correct one on that topic. 16/11/2009 17:01:03 Enjolras CrashGordon94 how 'bout this one: http://anime.tedfox.com/wp-content/uploads/les_miserables_ep02_10.jpg 16/11/2009 17:01:27 CrashGordon94 Enjolras FYI, "Rena"'s offcial name is LENA, so it works both ways! 16/11/2009 17:01:36 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Awwwww 16/11/2009 17:01:38 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Both are correct. 16/11/2009 17:01:55 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Nah, it Tiltyu is incorrect, so is Rena 16/11/2009 17:01:58 CrashGordon94 Enjolras *if 16/11/2009 17:02:29 Enjolras CrashGordon94 or this... http://anime.tedfox.com/wp-content/uploads/les_miserables_ep03_92.thumbnail.jpg Rena is the official name in Japan 16/11/2009 17:02:59 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Awww again. And Tiltyu is the offical name in Serenes Forest 16/11/2009 17:04:09 CrashGordon94 Enjolras And can I just ask something? 16/11/2009 17:04:15 Enjolras CrashGordon94 yes? 16/11/2009 17:04:34 CrashGordon94 Enjolras It's about my dreams, why do you think I keep dreaming about girls I don't liek in such a way? 16/11/2009 17:04:37 CrashGordon94 Enjolras *like 16/11/2009 17:05:28 Enjolras CrashGordon94 You say yourself that you dream about them, and that most turn you on partially when they include bondage, so basically we are ALL backfiring your own words against you. 16/11/2009 17:05:54 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Tiltue is also correct for Tailto, BTW 16/11/2009 17:07:00 CrashGordon94 Enjolras I'm sorry, I don't really see how that's the reason I have such dreams..... Now, that's just silly! I'll bet "Sillius" is a "correct" translation for Sirius then 16/11/2009 17:09:02 Enjolras CrashGordon94 I misunderstood your question. The reason you dream about them is because you focus your hate on them, that way the image remains in your subconciousness and reveals itself to you during your dreams, if you would tone down the hate and think more about girls you like, then your dreams would definitely be more enjoyable. Tiltue was used in the manual of the game 16/11/2009 17:10:05 Enjolras CrashGordon94 And Tailto was the name used in the art Nintendo released 16/11/2009 17:10:05 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Oh, I see, thanks, but that raises the question of why they're doing fetish-y stuff, probably 'cause that's what I like to dream about. 16/11/2009 17:10:15 Enjolras CrashGordon94 http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/0/01/Tiltyu.jpg 16/11/2009 17:10:22 CrashGordon94 Enjolras TILTYU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL! 16/11/2009 17:10:38 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Tailto sounds more lovely 16/11/2009 17:11:15 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Because of DLV, Gio, me and Soul in the character topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassieCinders Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 CG is to Enjolras what Tremaine is to ALS. It's starting to look that way... Though ALS disliked Tremaine, I find CG amusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Scorpio is the son of Andre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassieCinders Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I'm nearly done... 16/11/2009 16:43:55 CrashGordon94 Enjolras How are you? 16/11/2009 16:44:08 Enjolras CrashGordon94 fine, an you? 16/11/2009 16:44:47 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Good, mostly 16/11/2009 16:44:55 Enjolras CrashGordon94 ...mostly? 16/11/2009 16:45:58 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Yeah, there's something gone mildly wrong that I don't really wanna tlak about (and it'd make me sound crazy), I have to Dust soon, and I had the weirdest dream last night (though it didn't upset me, it just made me go ಠ_ಠ) 16/11/2009 16:46:26 Enjolras CrashGordon94 ...dream? 16/11/2009 16:46:34 CrashGordon94 Enjolras Yes, dream. 16/11/2009 16:46:45 Enjolras CrashGordon94 what was it about? 16/11/2009 16:47:34 Enjolras CrashGordon94 Anyway, which if the three Cosettes do you like best? http://anime.tedfox.com/wp-content/uploads/cosette-ep1-cosettepreview.jpg http://anime.tedfox.com/wp-content/uploads/les_miserables_ep03_09.jpg http://antenna.animeblogger.net/images/icons/series/fullsize/les_misrables_shoujo_cosette.png 16/11/2009 16:47:49 CrashGordon94 Enjolras it began with Cuan and Ethlin hugging, they were making squeaky noises for some reason. Then it was revealed that the squeakiness was because Ethlin was wearing a (pink) latex suit at the time. My reaction can be summed up with an emote: ಠ_ಠ (If you were expecting something like <3, then you've probably forgotten that I don't like Ethlin) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 CG is to Enjolras what Tremaine is to ALS. It's starting to look that way... Though ALS disliked Tremaine, I find CG amusing Depended on my mood at the time. Tremaine sometimes cured my boredom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marthur Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Dammit. Stop. orz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Dammit. Stop. orz ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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