Don Draper Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I put the list IOS posted into the OP...so do we need to re-arrange bottom tier now? Yeah, I think it needs some work. And for Miranda, she does have an incredibly bad start, but she does have 1-2 range and Wrath, which at least helps her become a glass cannon. Yes her durability is atrocious, but she can at least kill reliably. When you compare that to somebody like Ronan who is terrible offensively and defensively, being ok offensively doesn't seem that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Shouldn't Shanam be higher than at least Ronan? Sure, both are major shit, but Shanam actually has the opportunity to counter attack.If he doesn't die Also Bargain and shits. 2200 on an Iron Wpn, wtf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Yeah, I think it needs some work. And for Miranda, she does have an incredibly bad start, but she does have 1-2 range and Wrath, which at least helps her become a glass cannon. Yes her durability is atrocious, but she can at least kill reliably. When you compare that to somebody like Ronan who is terrible offensively and defensively, being ok offensively doesn't seem that bad. 19 hp and 1 def. 19 hp and 1 def. Lets see how many enemies can OHKO. For starters, the Mt of iron is 9, 13 with steel. She doesn't have staves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Ronan's not doing much better than her there, level lead or no, only Miranda can actually do some damage and can say she hasn't been TOTALLY shitbombing the team for all the time Ronan has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Miranda's Wrath would be helpful if it worked like FE4/FE9/FE10. In this game, she has to get attacked, which likely gets her killed or injured (so she has to vulnerary/get healed every turn). I don't find it worth much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I don't see failures like Ronan and Marty doing much better than what Miranda's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) I don't see failures like Ronan and Marty doing much better than what Miranda's doing. I don't see failure like Miranda being better being better than chip damage when it's actually worthwhile. Miranda's basically chip damage too but who gives a shit about it so damn late in the game? Edited July 1, 2009 by Sirius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I don't see failures like Ronan and Marty doing much better than what Miranda's doing. I don't see Miranda capturing/walling earlygame, or actually having huge ass concrete durability from Ch14 onwards. She may be better than Ronan, but definitely not Marty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Miranda's basically chip damage too but who gives a shit about it so damn late in the game? The fact that it's actually halfway decent damage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Miranda's Wrath would be helpful if it worked like FE4/FE9/FE10. In this game, she has to get attacked, which likely gets her killed or injured (so she has to vulnerary/get healed every turn). I don't find it worth much. But if it worked like on FE4, wouldn't she have to sustain some damage, which not only is risqué, but would work better with Ambush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Ambush doesn't work with Wrath, and Miranda would only have to sustain damage once instead of every time she wanted to attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 But if it worked like on FE4, wouldn't she have to sustain some damage, which not only is risqué, but would work better with Ambush? With FE5 Wrath: Shit player phase. Has to get attacked in enemy phase which results in either death or low HP. With FE4 Wrath: Literally the same thing except you can keep her HP low and her player phase wouldn't be shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 She is getting OHKO by anyone with 7 strength or more. And thats steel. Try activating wrath after you are dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skadabra65 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 (edited) . Edited July 5, 2009 by skadabra65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Safy is indeed top. This one thing happened because I was being dumb and it involved lots of luck and probably doesn't demonstrate more than 1 aspect of Safy's utility but that means she's top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skadabra65 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 (edited) edit: better for pm Edited July 5, 2009 by skadabra65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Yojimbo, since you are handling the tier list, shouldn't you comment on Miranda's position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Double post, but Yojinbo hasn't been on the site in 12 days, and there are a few arguments that I'd like to clear up such as Miranda's position, Pahn vs. Lifis (being debated in the FE5 Hard Mode thread), and I want to try to get Eryios higher. Due to Yojinbo being inactive, I'd like to handle the tier list if that's alright. Should a new thread be started to have it in the OP, or should we just continue from here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maou Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 Double post, but Yojinbo hasn't been on the site in 12 days, and there are a few arguments that I'd like to clear up such as Miranda's position, Pahn vs. Lifis (being debated in the FE5 Hard Mode thread), and I want to try to get Eryios higher. Due to Yojinbo being inactive, I'd like to handle the tier list if that's alright. Should a new thread be started to have it in the OP, or should we just continue from here? Yeah, just go ahead and take over from here. And if you will be more active than yojinbo, then you could make a new topic too. Although, I don't know if some members would like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Or, you know, you can have Mekkah bump his FE5 tier list, which I've suggested since page 1 of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maou Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Or, you know, you can have Mekkah bump his FE5 tier list, which I've suggested since page 1 of this thread. That works too. Oh mekkah! Where are you? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Or, you know, you can have Mekkah bump his FE5 tier list, which I've suggested since page 1 of this thread. Yeah, thats a much better idea. He would have to update it with the new changes of course, but he's probably the best guy to put in charge of a tier list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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