Funkfest Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Um, yeah, question is in the topic title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 IMO: HP 60%+ STR: 40%+ DEF: 50%+ (possibly 45%+) (lower for magics) LCK: I don't know RES: 30%+ (higher for magics) SPD: 45%+ SKL: 40%+ (possibly 45%+) Basically 40% growths except for HP. A unit with these growths would generally turn out good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fei Mao Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) IMO if their growth range is at least 40-60% that's good 30-40% is shaky and uncertain in statups 20% range don't bother Edited November 17, 2009 by Generic Officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 From what I can gather, if it's above 30-50%, it's good, depending on the class and stat in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEST TRYNDAMERE PLAYER Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Gatrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Gatrie. Mostly because of forges for accuracy. His skl and luck are a little questionable, but it turns out to not matter much because he isn't stuck with 60 hit weapons to 2HKO stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEST TRYNDAMERE PLAYER Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Gatrie. Mostly because of forges for accuracy. His skl and luck are a little questionable, but it turns out to not matter much because he isn't stuck with 60 hit weapons to 2HKO stuff. His skill growth is fine enough, luck doesn't matter too much, even if he does get critted he'll end up tanking them out unless it's a magic-crit or an armor-slaying weapon crit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masamune_Wielder Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 for specific units Abel as a swordmaster is good (in my opinion) for just growths 40-50% growths are great but probably 30-40% Defense for magic units and 30-40% Resistance for physical units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Gatrie. Mostly because of forges for accuracy. His skl and luck are a little questionable, but it turns out to not matter much because he isn't stuck with 60 hit weapons to 2HKO stuff. His skill growth is fine enough, luck doesn't matter too much, even if he does get critted he'll end up tanking them out unless it's a magic-crit or an armor-slaying weapon crit. When he misses a ORKO >10% of the time or more because of lack of accuracy, I consider it a problem. The way to make him good is crowning him (get past annoying 23AS speed cap), which means at 15/1 he has about 22 skill and 16 or 17 luck. 44 + 15 + 17 = 76 base hit. A steel poleax yields 136 hit. Enemies hover around 56 avo in that chapter. 80 listed, 92.2% true. ~85% chance of hitting twice. Easily fixed by a forge. Even when bio is severely against him, it cuts it down. When bio is against him enough, he can drop to 60 listed. 75 listed even if you give him a steel axe instead of a forge. 70 listed with a hand axe. 82.3% true (with hand axe), or 67.7329%. Obviously steel axe is higher, iron axe is much lower. Basically his skl growth doesn't get much time to take effect and the base is lowish. Now, while I suppose you could support him with light/wind/fire and get a +15 on his hit, and if you do fire then he can probably ORKO most stuff with a plain steel axe meaning 90 listed (98.10%, or 96.2361% of hitting twice) even when things are really against him. But what makes him so great is that he usually doesn't need a support partner. This is thanks to forges (among other things). I like forges. Also hand axe forges later on to allow ORKOing at 1-2 range with good accuracy. Then again, this is "good growths", not "perfect growths", so nevermind. His growths are undeniably "good", especially given the way the game works. Mia has good growths for her class and bases and the way the game is set up. Ike has good growths (despite his spd growth) because of how quickly he caps str/skl and being able to bexp for spd (forced promotion time helps, too). Elincia has good growths (bases could be higher, but that would just save a chapter of paragon anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galenforcer Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 IMO 50% and up are good 40s and 45s are shaky, but 35 or below aren't very reliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 It really depends on the base and stat in question. As Narga mentioned, Mia has pretty good growths, and Gatrie has pretty sweet growths as well. It differs though. For example, Ike's 35% Spd is usually good enough because of his high base. Soren's 35% however, is not good enough because his base is not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 It really depends on the base and stat in question. As Narga mentioned, Mia has pretty good growths, and Gatrie has pretty sweet growths as well. It differs though. For example, Ike's 35% Spd is usually good enough because of his high base. Soren's 35% however, is not good enough because his base is not so good. Right. It is more situational than simply their growth. A unit with 38 AS and a 10% growth in speed will have a "good" speed growth if they have enough time and levels to have a reasonable chance at 39AS in 4-E-5. Beyond that one chapter, their speed growth is quite irrelevant, so "good" is defined by whether or not they are likely to pull off 39AS. (my example character has a ~65% chance of hitting 39 AS in 10 levels. Maybe 15% growth would be "good" and 10% would be "decent", but the point should be clear.) Soren's low tier 2 cap gimps him almost as much as his low base, considering the opportune time for the first crown has passed by the time Soren hits his cap (even with slowplaying bexp. In NM you can just bexp dump all at once to hit the cap in time, but in HM that isn't feasible) so he must wait until 3-11 regardless. His growth is actually the least of his problems in NM because of how quickly he caps mag/skl/res. Even in HM it is less severe because of the possibility of slowplaying. It all comes back to his base, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 IMO, 40%+ is good. Base stats are more important, Wolt for example has 40% growth in both STR and SPD and he's still shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I agree with Vergil. Also Zagaro and Wolf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Also Zagaro and Wolf. Isn't there an upper limit on good where anything above needs a different adjective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Klingy Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 It kind of depends on the game. For Fe4's 1st gen, for example, 40+ would be considered good, but in FE10 or FE4 2nd gen, it's more like 50+. I generally describe it as: 10s: Terrible 20s: Bad 30s: Average 40s: Good 50s: Great 60s: Exellent 70s: Fantastic 80+: Insane 100+: Wolfguard Wait, I jusr realised this was an RD topic. In that case, it's 50+ in most cases, but as some people said, it can depend on the character. In general, bases are more important in this game, mostly because everyone had uber growths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 A good growth = the higher number the better Thank you very much :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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