Deliriyum Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 ummm I'm terrible at this. Noah, Echidna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 Tate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 EDIT: Also, remember Marcus is only usable when forced. Whoa now WHOA NOW. This is not jiving, brotha. Marcus isn't in the drafting pool, and you never put that forth as a restriction. You said Marcus and Rutger were free to all and put no stipulations on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Whoa now WHOA NOW. This is not jiving, brotha. Marcus isn't in the drafting pool, and you never put that forth as a restriction. You said Marcus and Rutger were free to all and put no stipulations on that. It was stated on page 1, though I admit, not being in the OP could be cause for some confusion, as well as the inability to draft Marcus for continued use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 It was stated on page 1, though I admit, not being in the OP could be cause for some confusion, as well as the inability to draft Marcus for continued use. if you don't want to click, here it is: If you miss a gaiden, I guess an obscenely large penalty works. Normal mode is probably going to be taken, now. Also, Marcus is only free use when forced. Lastly, thieves are free to deploy to pick up stuff in the desert. Whoa now WHOA NOW. This is not jiving, brotha. Marcus isn't in the drafting pool, and you never put that forth as a restriction. You said Marcus and Rutger were free to all and put no stipulations on that. This is why you read all the posts rather than skip things. As for him not being draftable, that's kinda odd to me. I guess this means that everyone uses him from chapter 1 to 5, and then nobody can use him after that. Which is a shame for chapter 6 and 7, but after that it isn't such a huge problem at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) I read all the posts. I missed that line of that post. I'd have brought it up earlier if I'd seen it. So Marcus is undraftable and cannot be used past C5, but Rutger can always be used? I'm sorta not following the logic here. Edited July 30, 2010 by Integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) I read all the posts. I missed that line of that post. I'd have brought it up earlier if I'd seen it. So Marcus is undraftable and cannot be used past C5, but Rutger can always be used? I'm sorta not following the logic here. Neither am I, really. I'd understand if he was draftable. Anyway, Rutger is like the super-boss killer for most of the game (though by that argument, you'd think you'd be allowed to use Dieck w/ armorslayer in chapter 2 and 3) so you could basically add an automatic +2 for most chapters for anyone that doesn't have him. He'd be like an I Win button. However, making him free forever also cuts back on the worth of Fir. If only one person could have Rutger, Fir would be helpful for boss-killing for anyone that doesn't have Rutger (at least, once she gets up to stuff). I wonder if weapons could extend Marcus use to chapter 7. After 7, it doesn't really matter (in a normal game). Only reason I kept using Marcus instead of Zealot was because he was spectacularly blessed (and thus he beat or tied Zealot in everything, and his luck advantage meant I used Marcus). Now, I worry for Core and Anouleth once Marcus is prohibited, but oh well? Edited July 30, 2010 by Narga_Rocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janissary Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Why not make post-Chapter 5 Marcus draftable and have Merlinus be free use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 Rutger is for boss killing. Marcus is just so you don't get screwed over early game. As for him not being pickable, I didn't consider it, though I can add him if everyone else agrees it's okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janissary Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Hey, I just did a count and it seems there are 51 draftable units. I think we should leave Marcus as is and let Merlinus be free use - that would put the draftable units at 50, or 10 for each person, plus Rutger, Marcus (for a bit), Merlinus, and Roy. Seems fair to me, if no one else has objections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Hey, I just did a count and it seems there are 51 draftable units. I think we should leave Marcus as is and let Merlinus be free use - that would put the draftable units at 50, or 10 for each person, plus Rutger, Marcus (for a bit), Merlinus, and Roy. Seems fair to me, if no one else has objections. It's NM, so Zealot and Treck probably won't die before a team of 2 or 3 can get there, but I still think Marcus until chapter 7 ends would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 Integrity, I'm guessing you're waiting for the pickable Marcus issue to be resolved before you pick? As for 51 draftable units, I don't find it necessary to adjust since there'll just be a character left undrafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janissary Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Integrity, I'm guessing you're waiting for the pickable Marcus issue to be resolved before you pick? As for 51 draftable units, I don't find it necessary to adjust since there'll just be a character left undrafted. Then the question is: Will it be Wendy or Sophia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salad Utensil Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) Anyway, Rutger is like the super-boss killer for most of the game (though by that argument, you'd think you'd be allowed to use Dieck w/ armorslayer in chapter 2 and 3) so you could basically add an automatic +2 for most chapters for anyone that doesn't have him. He'd be like an I Win button. However, making him free forever also cuts back on the worth of Fir. If only one person could have Rutger, Fir would be helpful for boss-killing for anyone that doesn't have Rutger (at least, once she gets up to stuff). This isn't quite true since Marcus can 1RKO the boss as well with either the armor-slayer or the silver lance (or even Roy with armor-slayer for a 2RKO), Marcus even has higher base skill for bosskilling. Also it's not like Fir is a bad unit in her own right since she comes at a good time, but she is noticeably worse in NM, being about on par to Oujay. Then the question is: Will it be Wendy or Sophia? I'd rather have either of them than Karel to be honest.... Edited July 30, 2010 by Brighton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) I wasn't waiting. I just forgot it was me next. :P Gimme a minute. I wasn't going to draft Marcus ever before anybody else did anyway. Shin. Edited July 30, 2010 by Integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Gimme Lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janissary Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Gimme Lot. GAR there goes my next pick. Ward and Percival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 GAR there goes my next pick. Ward and Percival. haha Ward doesn't know what speed is. Or accuracy, for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Treck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Why does nobody want Bors and Wolt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janissary Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 haha Ward doesn't know what speed is. Or accuracy, for that matter. I am aware, but I think he could definately save me turns early game when this is going to be harder with our awesome 2-4 man units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I'll take Elphin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Niime. I'm surprised it took until the 5th round for Percival to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janissary Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 He's not quite as epic in normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salad Utensil Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Niime. I'm surprised it took until the 5th round for Percival to go. He has bad availability, since you can't even use him until once the game is about halfway done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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