Renall Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 It's strange that you noted the enemies-favor-attacking-Shanan thing. I don't really understand why that is. For example, the Mage Sisters will often ignore other targets to go attack Shanan... on a forest... with Balmung equipped... in melee range. The hell? I just have to assume the mere sight of Shanan causes enemies to become idiotic and suicidal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 The sisters try to do it because they want to triangle attack, but it seems whenever they try it one of them ends up dying and thus nobody gets to see it. However, I noticed some Javelin Dragon Riders choosing to close-up my Balmung Shannan as well when they had the option of attacking an 1HP Oifaye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Interesting on the triangle attack. I hadn't considered that. I think there's more to it; it's apparently not just high-evade folks like Shanan and Levin!Sety either, it happens at one point in the ch7 run where Balc's surprised by an enemy making an incredibly sub-optimal target selection. Wonder why that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 The FE4 AI is really fucking dumb, which makes it difficult to abuse/predict their movements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 So in being bad, it's actually less predictable, and thus, less exploitable... it's like some kind of retarded genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 Chapter 8: Chapter 8: .Turn 9: Seize Conote Turn 12: "Seize" Manster Turn 17: Seize Mease Name: Arena Lv.XP MHP STR MAG SKL SPD LCK DEF RES Money Equip Celice: A★ 26.53 62 25 11 22 18 21 20 16 41644 (Life Ring, Barrier Ring) Skasaha: A★ 15.73 48 19 0 25 18 11 12 0 39078 Lakche: A★ 15.79 45 15 1 24 18 18 13 2 38598 Lana: A1 19.35 46 12 14 15 17 30 8 7 13349 (Bargain Bracelet) Delmud: A★ 16.97 46 22 1 19 13 16 10 2 42908 Lester: A★ 16.18 44 14 5 15 18 25 16 0 42859 (Speed Ring, Skill Ring) Oifaye: A★ 21.28 44 20 9 20 16 9 19 8 43960 Julia: A7 18.07 39 2 23 11 18 12 4 22 30000 Fee: A★ 18.60 41 15 4 12 24 15 21 12 45557 (Shield Ring, Power Ring) Arthur: A★ 21.04 54 9 21 22 22 14 10 10 19461 (Elite Ring) Johalva: A7 17.73 47 18 0 10 16 5 17 1 44000 (Skill Ring, Power Ring) Leaf: A★ 18.33 48 23 5 17 13 16 17 4 43218 (Speed Ring) Fin: A★ 25.06 49 25 1 21 19 22 15 4 35022 Nanna: A★ 16.87 41 18 5 12 13 18 12 4 41378 (Return Ring, Thief Ring) Shanan: A★ 18.04 44 19 0 26 25 10 17 4 41000 Patty: A★ 17.08 57 13 4 18 18 21 5 4 0 Aless: A★ 14.85 50 18 4 13 13 9 13 6 43460 Leen: A7 16.92 45 9 6 3 9 11 10 14 23883 (Knight Ring, Leg Ring) Tinny: A★ 14.92 46 1 12 19 20 13 3 7 46355 (Magic Ring, Pursuit Ring) Faval: A★ 14.86 54 16 3 25 18 16 13 0 39174 Sety: A★ 20.58 45 5 27 19 24 23 12 27 19867 Turns: 227/399 XP: 851/1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Nice use of that Defense sword to set Leen's HP for prayer. Leaf vs that Mage Knight's Cavaliers was kind of risky (I guess there's more that could be said but it'd likely be observations you've made on the version with commentary). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanami Touko Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 That arena-ing with Leen was brilliant. Subscribed, bud. Definitely worth watching :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Leen does have amazing legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 The FE4 AI is really fucking dumb, which makes it difficult to abuse/predict their movements Sounds a lot like Shining Force II's AI in a sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Chapter 9: Chapter 9: .Turn 5: Seize Luthecia Turn 8: "Seize" Kapathogia Turn 12: Seize Grutia Turn 16: Seize Thracia Name: Arena Lv.XP MHP STR MAG SKL SPD LCK DEF RES Money Equip Celice: A★ 28.87 64 25 11 22 19 23 21 18 39144 (Life Ring, Barrier Ring) Skasaha: A★ 22.11 55 27 3 27 23 14 17 4 39578 Lakche: A★ 22.42 51 21 1 30 24 22 19 6 37098 Lana: A★ 26.31 52 15 22 19 23 30 13 9 29659 (Bargain Bracelet) Delmud: A★ 24.18 54 23 1 30 24 17 16 6 43408 Lester: A★ 21.86 49 18 6 21 23 29 18 3 46159 (Speed Ring, Skill Ring) Oifaye: A★ 25.25 48 22 9 22 18 10 22 8 44460 Julia: A★ 26.49 45 5 30 18 28 15 5 26 37060 [Rezire, Live] Fee: A★ 24.07 44 17 12 16 29 17 19 18 38937 (Shield Ring, Power Ring) Arthur: A★ 27.54 63 10 25 22 22 16 10 11 42961 (Prayer Ring) Johalva: A★ 22.59 52 24 0 14 18 6 21 5 38900 (Skill Ring, Power Ring) Leaf: A★ 23.23 52 27 9 22 22 18 25 9 41718 (Speed Ring) Fin: A★ 27.49 51 25 1 22 20 23 17 4 38442 Nanna: A★ 25.00 49 24 7 16 18 21 20 6 37048 (Return Ring, Thief Ring) Shanan: A★ 22.69 49 20 0 29 25 12 20 4 38500 Patty: A★ 20.72 61 19 7 22 24 24 9 7 0 Aless: A★ 22.74 59 22 4 15 14 13 15 7 45680 (Barrier Ring) Leen: A7 23.44 52 12 6 4 9 14 11 17 37383 (Knight Ring, Leg Ring) Tinny: A★ 20.78 52 4 19 24 27 16 7 12 33305 (Magic Ring, Pursuit Ring) Faval: A★ 23.70 67 25 4 27 24 20 16 3 19674 (Elite Ring) Sety: A★ 30.00 55 7 28 23 27 29 14 27 25767 Corple: A1 9.00 43 7 9 9 9 18 5 13 5378 (Return Ring) Hannibal: A★ 21.78 61 20 0 16 11 7 23 6 44140 Altenna: A★ 20.70 56 27 2 19 20 14 27 2 36338 Turns: 243/399 XP: 992/1000 (lol) I take a handful of risky chances here, but hey, that's what I do. Corple at his best here... what a team player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Congrats on the AAAA rank. Gonna try to get everyone to level 30 or gonna attempt FE5's SSS? Edited April 19, 2011 by Sirius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think you made a few tactically questionable moves in the arena - not using Wind 90% of the time, for example. It worked out okay, but really, Wind is strictly better than Thunder except against Fire users, and strictly better than Fire... often even against Wind users (due to Fire's stupid weight and lack of other bonuses, switching to Fire gives you -10 AS and +20 hit (avoid stays the same, -20 from the -10 AS, +20 from WTA)). Asides from that, you're completely on target to cap everyone's level, probably all by a few people by Endgame arena (assuming you went into ch. 10 and endgame arenas at level 20.00, with the elite ring, and no other combat whatsoever you'd come out at 28.68). By shoving numbers into the excel file I calculated this with for about 10 seconds, it looks like everyone at level 22.48 or above doesn't even need another single point of combat EXP, so long as they can take both arenas with the Elite Ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Celice solo in final chapter. Do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) Congrats on the AAAA rank. Gonna try to get everyone to level 30 or gonna attempt FE5's SSS? Yes and (eventually) yes. I think you made a few tactically questionable moves in the arena - not using Wind 90% of the time, for example. It worked out okay, but really, Wind is strictly better than Thunder except against Fire users, and strictly better than Fire... often even against Wind users (due to Fire's stupid weight and lack of other bonuses, switching to Fire gives you -10 AS and +20 hit (avoid stays the same, -20 from the -10 AS, +20 from WTA)). Asides from that, you're completely on target to cap everyone's level, probably all by a few people by Endgame arena (assuming you went into ch. 10 and endgame arenas at level 20.00, with the elite ring, and no other combat whatsoever you'd come out at 28.68). By shoving numbers into the excel file I calculated this with for about 10 seconds, it looks like everyone at level 22.48 or above doesn't even need another single point of combat EXP, so long as they can take both arenas with the Elite Ring. Yeah, I think all of once a usage of Fire in the arena was strategic, allowing the enemy to attack first due to slowing me down, and me getting a crit on the counter. The rest of the time it was because I was lazy, and treated Fire like Iron, Thunder like Steel, and Wind like Silver, conserving uses on the "good" tomes that I'd actually use during the chapter, by not caring about arena uses of the "bad" tomes. I did some brief calculations myself, it looked like I overestimated the amount of XP I needed to go in to cap level by arena alone, so a lot of my people look like they're probably gonna actually be good to stop at round 5 or so (lol). The only people who don't level cap after Endgame arena are Corple (lol Corple) and Julia (MIA). Celice solo in final chapter. Do it. I might record this separately. Celice has a horse and remove, and according to the list of glitches, if he defeats Julius, it will greatly increase his losses, spoiling the rank. Also, I love Rescue staff and dancing too much not to do a proper Endgame runthrough. Edit: I wonder if that still happens if he dismounts... Edited April 20, 2011 by Balcerzak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Yeah, I think all of once a usage of Fire in the arena was strategic, allowing the enemy to attack first due to slowing me down, and me getting a crit on the counter. The rest of the time it was because I was lazy, and treated Fire like Iron, Thunder like Steel, and Wind like Silver, conserving uses on the "good" tomes that I'd actually use during the chapter, by not caring about arena uses of the "bad" tomes.I did some brief calculations myself, it looked like I overestimated the amount of XP I needed to go in to cap level by arena alone, so a lot of my people look like they're probably gonna actually be good to stop at round 5 or so (lol). The only people who don't level cap after Endgame arena are Corple (lol Corple) and Julia (MIA). Fair enough. I guess it doesn't matter if you win, as I said, but since Fire's actually more expensive anyway (maybe it's just Elfire) I guess it doesn't matter. Plus I habitually repair everything at the start of chapters after arenas, which I guess you don't always do. And, yeah, I'm fairly sure my calculations are correct, so exp should be fun. The thing that amuses me most is that you probably won't even need to have Corple rescue children, since he can staff spam for 100 EXP a pop anyway. Edit: I wonder if that still happens if he dismounts... It's if a mounted unit makes the kill, right? So it shouldn't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) It's if a mounted unit makes the kill, right? So it shouldn't do. Well, or an unmounted guy with Knight Ring. But dismounted Celice should work. Oh, and why can't Corple level cap? 21 levels of Elite staff EXP is not possible in 2 chapters? Edited April 20, 2011 by Mekkah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well, or an unmounted guy with Knight Ring. But dismounted Celice should work. Oh, and why can't Corple level cap? 21 levels of Elite staff EXP is not possible in 2 chapters? I shall try it. It will still be a separate run, just because. Oh, Corple will cap, just not immediately after the endgame arena. It'll take maybe three more shots of Warp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Oh, I missed the word arena... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 Oh, word of warning. Unless I can get Chapter 10 recorded and voiced by tomorrow evening, this weekend will likely be without an update. My parents are paying me a visit, and we will be out on the town doing things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) more more [15:21:27] <@GeneralSpoon> Balcerzak's ch10 is on youtube now [15:25:02] <~Mekkah> yay Edited April 28, 2011 by Mekkah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 I uploaded earlier in the week, as some of you subscribers noticed, but was too busy to do a proper update. Here it is, though. Chapter 10: Chapter 10: .Turn 3: Seize Chronos Turn 5: Seize Rados Turn 9: Seize Miletos Turn 15: Seize Chalphy Name: Arena Lv.XP MHP STR MAG SKL SPD LCK DEF RES Money Equip Celice: A★ 30.00 66 25 13 22 20 24 21 18 43820 (Life Ring, Barrier Ring) Skasaha: A★ 27.43 60 27 4 27 24 16 21 4 38078 Lakche: A★ 27.44 58 23 1 30 27 22 19 7 41578 Lana: A★ 30.00 59 15 26 21 23 30 13 9 50000 (Bargain Bracelet) Delmud: A★ 30.00 60 23 1 30 27 19 19 6 35628 Lester: A★ 28.25 58 19 8 23 23 30 20 3 41339 (Speed Ring, Skill Ring) Oifaye: A★ 28.81 54 23 9 23 18 11 22 8 40640 Julia: A★ 26.49 45 5 30 18 28 15 5 26 37060 Fee: A★ 29.15 47 17 14 18 30 20 21 22 33037 (Shield Ring, Power Ring) Arthur: A★ 30.00 66 10 25 22 22 18 11 11 27871 (Prayer Ring) Johalva: A★ 27.45 58 24 0 18 20 7 23 5 39400 (Skill Ring, Power Ring) Leaf: A★ 30.00 60 27 10 25 27 19 27 10 13898 (Speed Ring) Fin: A★ 30.00 52 26 1 22 21 25 17 4 37942 Nanna: A★ 30.00 56 24 7 18 19 23 24 6 50000 (Return Ring, Thief Ring) Shanan: A★ 27.05 58 21 1 30 27 14 21 4 38160 Patty: A★ 29.42 74 22 8 22 27 30 13 7 41500 Aless: A★ 29.06 66 24 10 18 20 16 21 13 40320 (Barrier Ring, Magic Ring) Leen: A7 30.00 60 14 7 5 10 17 19 18 33883 (Knight Ring, Leg Ring, Shield Ring) Tinny: A★ 30.00 62 7 27 24 27 23 11 13 19005 (Magic Ring, Pursuit Ring) Faval: A★ 28.02 77 27 4 27 27 24 18 3 40174 Sety: A★ 30.00 55 7 28 23 27 29 14 27 25667 Corple: A6 22.72 58 13 16 14 15 25 15 19 10468 Hannibal: A★ 27.78 67 23 1 17 11 7 25 6 42360 Altenna: A★ 28.06 67 27 2 20 22 17 29 7 16173 (Elite Ring) Turns: 258/399 XP: 1122/1000 (lol) Charisma is a glorious thing. Alvis is pretty tanky. Some of my tactical choices were highly suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Turn... fif..teen? Screw the rules. I'm watching this right here in university. Also, nice work on clearing the arena with Julia... Edited May 2, 2011 by I Eat Tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 So much for anyone calling the exp requirements in any way tight. You've pretty much shown that proper arena play, Elite Ring trading, and staff spam trivializes it. And making pretty good time besides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 He makes it look ridiculously easy, yeah, but let's not forget that's a consequence of some very deep planning and money management, and a little bit of RNG abuse to clear arenas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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