Baldrick Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Most: Cecilia Least: Jaffar Nominate: Best/Worst Death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 How'd his speed only go up twice in 17 level ups with a 40% growth? (binomial cdf gives that getting two or less points of speed in 17 lvl ups at 40% is 1.23% lol stats) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I don't even know why ppl bother to train Roy in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Probably because he's forced and they don't want a wasted slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Because Bolting exists. Lots of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizenberg Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I don't even know why ppl bother to train Roy in the first place because he turns into the best fe6 character after promotion most: Ena(fe10) least: Galzus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Because Bolting exists. Lots of them. Cant we just feed him angelic robes and talismans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I don't even know why ppl bother to train Roy in the first place Like Lumi said, Boltings. Also, I don't want to have to rescue him all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Cant we just feed him angelic robes and talismans? He'll need a lot of those to survive a Bolting around C20 at base and there's better places where at least Robes could go to. Like units who don't suck at killing things. It's better if you just feed him a few kills here and there and let his HP take its course. He should be able to survive at least one of them fuckers by the time they start appearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 because he turns into the best fe6 character after promotion I'm pretty sure that Roy doesn't travel back in time 20 chapters when he promotes, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Most: Fiona. Good growhs and a horse. Epic time to join the team. Least: Tibarn. I'll quote smash here: Tibarn LOLTIBARN. LOL56ATT. LOL40AS. LOL32DEF. LOL109AVOID. LOL40TEAR. LOL10MOVE. LOLCANTO. LOLFLYING. LOLFORMSHIFT. LOL100CAPACITY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Most: Kurthnaga, his best stat (combat wise excluding HP) was 30, and this was him transformed. Not to mention the fact that he has a mere 16 skill and 20 speed transformed and gets to use his formshift for only two chapters. I know he has solid growths and fantastic caps, but it all seems meaningless compared to his bad bases. (dishonorable mention to Wendy and Ena FE10 and 9) Reminds me that I could say that Gareth was disappointing in that he's physically durable, but joins at a time where magic is used exclusively, pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightli Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Most: Amelia Sophia hits Resistance. Lyre can actually dodge. Wendy can take a hit without dying. Amelia can't do any of the above. Throw in Armor Knight movement and Pegasus Knight constitution, bases that are weaker than those of loldiers (in FE8 nonetheless), some of the weakest growths in her game...end result is complete fail. 1 point for the adorable romance with Franz though Dishonorable Mentions: Any of the Est archetypes (outside of Nino, since her bases for a Level 5 are actually good), Wendy, Sophia, Lyre, Karel in FE7, the other two trainees, Roy, Leaf, Sigurd Least: FE5!Sety FE5 was based around a much more localized conflict. Stuff like Earth Swords were treated like legendary weapons in that game, magic users were lucky to get anything above the basic Fire or the like, and Leaf made Roy look good in comparison. The result was a feeling that Leaf was a complete failure at [acronym|life because doing well in wars is all that really matters to princes in FE]leading his rebellion[/acronym] and that everyone you recruited wouldn't last 5 seconds in FE4. Suddenly, a green haired mage shows up packing ungodly high stats. And a 10% chance to refresh himself after each movement. And absolutely insane skills. So obviously you think he's a boss. QUE RECRUITMENT So you go to give him Grancalibur because it's the best wind spell in the game, and then you notice he has HOLSETY on him. Which got another +10 to skill, because apparently it wasn't broken enough in FE4. Que rest of the game being destroyed horribly although Saphy does this even harder because lolFE5!Warp. Honorable Mentions: Athos, FE6!Karel, Seth, Haar, FE10!Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Sophia hits Resistance. Lyre can actually dodge. Wendy can take a hit without dying. Never mind the fact that Wendy has the worst join situation EVER (and is the worst unit in FE history; seriously, what can I do with an armor who joins underleveled AND with horrid bases right before an axefest? Also, considering Wendy gets doubled by pretty much anything that isn't an armor...), Sophia has around 50% accuracy against pretty much everything, and lololyre because lolcatgauge. Edited January 10, 2012 by Metal King Slime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightli Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Never mind the fact that Wendy has the worst join situation EVER (and is the worst unit in FE history; seriously, what can I do with an armor who joins underleveled AND with horrid bases right before an axefest? Also, considering Wendy gets doubled by pretty much anything that isn't an armor...), Sophia has around 50% accuracy against pretty much everything, and lololyre because lolcatgauge. Amelia has the same problems outside of the cat gauge. She has bases that make Wendy's look good, the fact that it isn't an axefest after she joins doesn't matter when EVERYTHING murders her, her horrible constitution gives her Sophia level accuracy, and Lyre can at least dodge. In addition, all of the three mentioned above have one thing going for each of them. Wendy can break down a wall. Sophia (if she lives to that point, because lol ) can use Nosferatu, and Lyre at least can do some sort of damage against really low Defense units and double more often than once in a blue moon. Also, Amelia is literally a recruit. Edited January 10, 2012 by Lightli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Amelia has the same problems outside of the cat gauge. She has bases that make Wendy's look good, the fact that it isn't an axefest after she joins doesn't matter when EVERYTHING murders her, her horrible constitution gives her Wendy level accuracy, and Lyre can at least dodge. At least Amelia's trainable, which I can't say of either of the other three. Accuracy is the least of Wendy's problems; Wendy gets ruined by everything. Plus, Wendy's bases aren't much better aside from Defense. On Lyre: Wasting Player Phases grassing up isn't good, and her damage output stinks. WRT Sophia: She's not only one-shotted by physical units, she's also doubled. Also, the threat of crits means even mages are dangerous to her. EDIT: In addition, all of the three mentioned above have one thing going for each of them. Wendy can break down a wall. Sophia (if she lives to that point, because lol ) can use Nosferatu, and Lyre at least can do some sort of damage against really low Defense units and double more often than once in a blue moon. Also, Amelia is literally a recruit. You're desperate if you're resorting to the breaking walls argument. Sophia... her AS is already bad enough with Flux, but Nosferatu?? It doesn't do her much good if she's getting doubled (and that's saying nothing of what happens if she happens to miss). And most of the low def units are mages (fire and thunder in particular scare Lyre, because fire's effective on beast laguz, and thunder sages have crit on her)... so yeah. And again, being a laguz means having an innate Provoke as far as ranged attackers are concerned. Plus, she's a cat, and cat gauge drops like a ton of bricks. What's your point? Edited January 10, 2012 by Metal King Slime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Wendy gets onerounded by an archer on her join chapter .______. Not saying that Amelia isn't onerounded by everything either, but Wendy's durability on HM is nothing to write home about. Edited January 10, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Naut Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) At least Amelia's trainable, which I can't say of either of the other three. Accuracy is the least of Wendy's problems; Wendy gets ruined by everything. Plus, Wendy's bases aren't much better aside from Defense. On Lyre: Wasting Player Phases grassing up isn't good, and her damage output stinks. WRT Sophia: She's not only one-shotted by physical units, she's also doubled. Also, the threat of crits means even mages are dangerous to her. Sophia at least has the luxury of a Flux tome, which allows her to pick off weakened physical units without the risk of a counter if she misses. All of them can be trained, but only Sophia stands a reasonable chance of doing it without the Arena or the Tower (which she can't even use). Edited January 10, 2012 by X-Naut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 IMO Wendy and Amelia and such weren't all the disappointing because I never expected them to be good in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Sophia at least has the luxury of a Flux tome, which allows her to pick off weakened physical units without the risk of a counter if she misses. All of them can be trained, but only Sophia stands a reasonable chance of doing it without the Arena or the Tower (which she can't even use). Even so, when you're trying to do so at far from reliable hit rates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) IMO Wendy and Amelia and such weren't all the disappointing because I never expected them to be good in the first place. This is why I didn't vote for them, as well. They're scrubs and novices even in story, for god sakes. I feel like disappointing is when you're such an epic fighter storyline wise and then your stats suck. But I guess it's up to each their own interpretation. Edited January 10, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hrm. The Jeigans come to mind, but seriously. I have something against Garcia. He sounds like he's the greatest Warrior in the land, and then poof, we're stuck with a Fighter with crap accuracy and mediocre durability. >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Hrm. The Jeigans come to mind, but seriously. I have something against Garcia. He sounds like he's the greatest Warrior in the land, and then poof, we're stuck with a Fighter with crap accuracy and mediocre durability. >.< I never had any problems with Garcia's accuracy. He's strong enough to generally 2HKO with Iron or Hatchet. His durability is decent too. He has the same defensive growths as Franz, for instance, and a great HP base. His speed is the big issue. But you're right that Garcia should have been a bit tougher given that he's supposed to be a "feared military leader" or w/ever. If Garcia is a feared military leader, what does that make Gerik? Or Seth? Edited January 10, 2012 by Anouleth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I never had any problems with Garcia's accuracy. He's strong enough to generally 2HKO with Iron or Hatchet. His durability is decent too. He has the same defensive growths as Franz, for instance, and a great HP base. His speed is the big issue. But you're right that Garcia should have been a bit tougher given that he's supposed to be a "feared military leader" or w/ever. If Garcia is a feared military leader, what does that make Gerik? Or Seth? Mm you're right, it must be that spd which doesn't let him dodge. His high HP sort means shit because you cant really send him through hordes of enemies and expect him to remain alive(although it MAY be possible as a hero). I also have accuracy problems with him- mainly in chapter four. I guess a case of PEMN, but he's been inaccurate a lot of times. Now thankfully Fire Emblem games like sending us lance users to fight, but the guy's just so mediocre its painful. >.< Well Gerik was known as the Desert Tiger. I wonder how good does that sound. Oh, and how the hell did he lose to Garcia? xD Seth's just a trusted knight who gets his title after he war of the Stones. Thankfully our muscle prick Garcia goes back to being a nobody(if you support with Ross.) I forgot what his normal ending's like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Seth was a general, IIRC. Also god FE8 enemies are slow, though. Garcia may not double much, but he can at least dodge some once in a while, after all, he's got WTA on most of them. Edited January 10, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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