Dark Nocturne Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 seriously? everyone keeps harping on her speed, but she has a good base speed and soren, who everyone loves only has 5% more speed than her... her magic is good, she has the second best magic growth for any mage. soren has 80% calil has 45% tormod has 40% and his str is higher than mag growth, and bastian has 30%.... ive used her 4 times (all 4 times iv played) and she manages to cap almost everything with only a few stat items and some bonus exp. most speedwings ive given her in a single playthrough were 2. yes i know im a little biased cuz i like mage girls (who doesnt) but im just generally tired of ilyana bashing when frankly she doesnt deserve it. if she has horrible horrible speed then so does soren and bastian... anyone eles like ilyana? i feel alone in my opinion :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 a) crappy class b) weird availability, she comes into GM chapters and she's not too impressive c) crappy weapon type, lacking hit and having the least might d) class has crappy caps e) low move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) None. She caps in nearly everything whenever I use her. Though I invest some bonus EXP on her to get her more Spd. Edited April 14, 2012 by リンダ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I'm a fan of Ilyana... I don't find her bad, Just a bit hard to use at the Beginning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinRPGamer Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 It's not that Ilyanna is bad, she's actually one of the better mages in the game. It's just that mages are above average at best in this game. Still she does have the best availability and is useable in all of the modes, not to mention she the only one who can use the Rexbolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Nocturne Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 thanks, i am a big fangirl of ilyana, i i just hate when people bash units i really like in fe when they are good and i dont just favor them.. like my other fav is sonia from gaiden lots of people i know pick dean over her n i think its silly lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 It's not that Ilyanna is bad, she's actually one of the better mages in the game. It's just that mages are above average at best in this game. Still she does have the best availability and is useable in all of the modes, not to mention she the only one who can use the Rexbolt. mages in this game are generally not good, not "Above average" at best. their problem is that bosses are very cleanly KO'd by most of your other units, and the mages take work to get to a level where they can do the exact same. you also don't have any use for siege tomes because of the clean KOs; unlike in FE9, where having a siege tome user is good because of the fact that bosses are very often left with 10 HPish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Soren and Bastian have pretty bad speed too honestly. Soren's Mag is higher and Bastian has staves. Mages are just not very good in this game. Side note: I have no real preference for mage girls, particularly those whose personality revolves around their tapeworm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I like using Ilyana, but she's not that good. She's better if she somehow managed to get a speed transfer from PoR (and by speed transfer, I mean BEXP abuse and give her a speedwing), but she takes experience from the severely underleveled DB and doesn't even stay with them. She's one of the worst characters when she goes over to the GMs. As for Soren? Yeah ... his speed his bad, and he has pretty much the same availability as Ilyana. His HP and speed cap are better than hers (not that he will reach his HP or defense cap on average). His speed is still better than hers. To be honest, I think the mages who can SS in fire (Tormod, Calil, and Sanaki) are better just for the sole purpose of getting that +3 speed Rexflame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Her stomach has more personality than she does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinRPGamer Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 mages in this game are generally not good, not "Above average" at best. their problem is that bosses are very cleanly KO'd by most of your other units, and the mages take work to get to a level where they can do the exact same. you also don't have any use for siege tomes because of the clean KOs; unlike in FE9, where having a siege tome user is good because of the fact that bosses are very often left with 10 HPish. That's actually what I meant to say (it's past 11:00 where I'm from so i'm crashing). what i'm trying to say is that the best mages in the game are still only above average at the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Nocturne Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) i respectfully disagree. i found ilyana soren laura, and even to an extent calil to be very usefull. laura i count as a mage because she has an astronomical magic speed and skill growth and average res like a mage, and she dodges like a boss. ilyana as i said usually capps just about everything for me a few times she was short of capping luck and res.ilyana usually evades every strike and had no trouble killing bosses during GM chapters. to simply say all mages in the game are bad is innacurate and i find a little lazy. if you like physical units better in that game thats fine but alot of mages in this game deserve more than a blanket statement Edited April 14, 2012 by Dark Nocturne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 thanks, i am a big fangirl of ilyana, i i just hate when people bash units i really like in fe when they are good and i dont just favor them.. like my other fav is sonia from gaiden lots of people i know pick dean over her n i think its silly lol Sonia's more recommended though because of the shortage of Mages and having enough Sword users already. Plus Sever is better anyway. Plus she has better growths than any other Mag user in the game but Cliff. Better than May. She is the second best Mage in the game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 ilyana as i said usually capps just about everything for me PEMN. Your Ilyana may usually end up capping just about everything for you. But on average, she doesn't. No one cares about how the characters turn out for you on your playthroughs. Generally, when discussing whether a character is bad or not, only averages are taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Nocturne Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 not trying to be argumentative... i have just used her alot and never had a problem, or noticed how mages are apparently bad in that game.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agile Tit-Tyrant Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 She's cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Nocturne Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 PEMN. Your Ilyana may usually end up capping just about everything for you. But on average, she doesn't. No one cares about how the characters turn out for you on your playthroughs. Generally, when discussing whether a character is bad or not, only averages are taken into account. i see your point.ill just agree to dissagree. ilyana is forever my endgame archsage tho and i havent regretted it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) i see your point.ill just agree to dissagree. ilyana is forever my endgame archsage tho and i havent regretted it yet Me neither. If she gets doubled by the third to the last boss in the game. I otherwise use her to finish him. Edited April 14, 2012 by リンダ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Magnus Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) I like her a lot compared to the other Mages (Though I like Calill more). But all the hate on Ilyana is that she got a big nerf from the previous game. That and out of all the Mages, her speed cap is 30 compared to the others' like 32 (I believe). It may be just two speed, but in a game like FE, those two speed points are still important. Though chances are with the 30% growth, she probably won't even reach her cap. Not to mention Thunder went from the strongest magic type to the weakest. Though it gets a point for Rexbolt, but the only thing I find that useful for it is 4-E-3 (The more power to wreck those dragons the better). Her caps themselves are below the other Mages. 45 HP max to the usual 50 for most characters in general isn't all that good (But chances are, you aren't going to cap most of their HP anyway unless you're lucky). I forgot her defense cap, but that also is lower I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I think Dheg 1HKOs her no matter what without tile/tide bonus. She's got strength to hold tomes over all of them though, so that's plus. Her availability is cool. You have her way longer than most Mages other than Micaiah, but being with the GMs hurts her a bit. By the time she arrives, she's still kind of frail from being with the DB, who has some serious EXP competition. It'll take quite a few chapters with Ike's team for her to step up some more, since she can use Fire/Wind tomes to help with dealing with Thunder's low MT. Her growth rates themselves are actually a slight improvement from her PoR self, but taking the info in account of what I stated above, it kind of doesn't matter. Regardless, I still love using her. What I said above was my unbiased opinion. I like her as a character too. I find the whole 'hungry' thing pretty funny and a bit of relief from the serious setting at times. Some people like it, some don't. But all that's not relevant right now. Edited April 14, 2012 by Magnus Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 not trying to be argumentative... i have just used her alot and never had a problem, or noticed how mages are apparently bad in that game.... I'm not trying to be argumentative either. But the thing is, most people find Ilyana a pain to train, and while she has the most availability, she has bad caps and not-so-good speed cap. And that speed and HP cap is what hurts her the most. Mind you, I almost always train Ilyana in RD, to the point of favoritism. And my favorite character in RD is someone who is missing 95% of the time (see badge). And yet I always train him and bring him to Tower. Ilyana may turn out well for you and you may never have a problem with her, but not everyone plays the same way as you ... and people have different opinions of what is good and what is not. Which is part of the reason of why people don't like Ilyana in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Nocturne Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 i like her in part because she is similar to another faverite of mine, linda from FE4. both thunder, growths are kinda the same, although linda has more of a personality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serene Flight Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 And I thought people love her. My Ilyana have ended up always being good enough and she's more than welcome in 4-F(3)... BUT WHY!? Why they made the strongest Anima Tome the weakest and the weakest the strongest!? Sure they have a little crit more than Wind but no bond support(s)? ...and buddy supports won't give any crit <_< not trying to be argumentative... i have just used her alot and never had a problem, or noticed how mages are apparently bad in that game.... Only reason why they "suck" IMO is that they will have hard time to even double a damn General <__< (except SS-rank Fire users) ... While Rhys has hard time to avoid getting doubled... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 i respectfully disagree. i found ilyana soren laura, and even to an extent calil to be very usefull. laura i count as a mage because she has an astronomical magic speed and skill growth and average res like a mage, and she dodges like a boss. ilyana as i said usually capps just about everything for me a few times she was short of capping luck and res.ilyana usually evades every strike and had no trouble killing bosses during GM chapters. to simply say all mages in the game are bad is innacurate and i find a little lazy. if you like physical units better in that game thats fine but alot of mages in this game deserve more than a blanket statement I don't think you follow. Micaiah has no durability to speak of and can't even double with Thani. Laura really can't do anything but heal. Ilyana is underlevelled and specialises in the worst magic type. Tormod is gone for the entire game. Calill has availability issues but is probably the best otherwise, excluding Micaiah. Soren just never has enough speed. Rhys is much like Laura. Pelleas is second tier in P4 and gets to choose between Thunder which can't hurt anything and Dark which has awful hit. I used Oliver once. I don't want to talk about it. Bastian joins obscenely late without the stats to justify it. They all have terrible move and caps. Magic sucks in Tellius. Mages may be usable, especially on NM, but so many units are just better than all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zman Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Why they made the strongest Anima Tome the weakest and the weakest the strongest!? FE9: Thunder > Fire > Wind = Light FE10: Dark > Fire > Wind > Light = Thunder This is in terms of MT, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serene Flight Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Oops, slightly fucked up X_x But still, I don't see the logic... and oh joy, thunder tomes do weight the most, +5 crit vs Wind tomes but Soren can get that via bond support (: Only thing that's better in thunder tomes is SS-rank tome's bonus... but it really doesn't matter much. Rhys is much like Laura. Except Rhys struggles avoiding double attacks. I love how he got doubled and soooo owned by Halberdier in 3-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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