RJWalker Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 There is a point where we needed to stop and we have clearly passed it. But let's keep going and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think that mug is horribly inaccurate and we need to rename the hack Elibian Muscles also can we get everyone with huge muscles kthnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siuloir Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Love how all the popular kids on this site band together to protect themselves from criticism, from the logical all the way to the illogical. We get it. (We being anyone who reads your posts and now the Secret Serenes Spriting and Hacking Mean Girls Illuminati you think exists). You had a terrible high school experience and now you color everything in terms of popularity contests and the stuff fourteen year olds care about. You went on to rebrand yourself as this sort of edgy, internet badass who almost certainly balks from any real confrontation. You can stop posting about it now. I honestly cannot fathom your behavior patterns being those of a twenty something year old adult. It borders on the hilarious - Popular people? Do you think there's secret slumber parties where half of this forum sits around eating popcorn and gossiping about the other half? Doesn't that sound a little absurd? 'cause "reasons", right? Stop being a twat. Pretty sure people have listed plenty of reasons. For example, human anatomy? One does not spend their entire life firing a bow and not end up with ripped delts, traps and a barrel chest. I'm pretty sure the design rationale was made abundantly clear. I think it would also have helped if a number of the posts complaining about it weren't giant strings of run on sentences and grammatical errors that made it look like someone trying to describe their terrified sighting of Great Cthulhu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabaster Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 We get it. (We being anyone who reads your posts and now the Secret Serenes Spriting and Hacking Mean Girls Illuminati you think exists). Can we pls make Spriting Mean Girls a thing????? <3333333333333 We can be The Mean Spriterssss Now we just need Regina ^W^ I vote dat Merc bich Sorry for being OT. LUMI THE NEW IGRENE IS AMAZN IM GLAD I COULD BE OF HALP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Peachar Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm still not 100% sold on the Igrene, either...mainly the reasoning justifying her buffness to being Hawkeye's blood. Just because dad is OMG HUGE doesn't mean that daughter is also going to be omg huge. Hormones are hormones, and men and women have different ones. Feel free to compare wrestlers and their daughters. Women would have to work very hard to do so [which is, though I don't agree with bodybuilders--male or female-- for aesthetic personal reasons, I respect females so much for their dedication, discipline, and hard work]. I'm not saying that it's not possible, either. I respect that you were going for buff Igrene, but I think it's a tad too much. Just a tad for her (which would probably be remedied by lessening or ridding of that triangle of shading for her bicep, really). Then again, she is training to be guardian of the desert. And, again, that is what you do-- buff women. Aaaaaaaaand Arch is ok with it. So I'm not trifling over it. lol. Who are outsiders to dictate the visions of the dev and hired artists? I will say, though, the neck needs some help. Those single two lines just wonk the neck out. You know where to find me if you'd like some help with it (or other people. LOL) Either way, it's not a bad piece of art. <3 Oh also hair part is off with the bangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) i would join a secret spriting hacking meangirls sorority Edited September 23, 2014 by CT075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siuloir Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) . Aaaaaaaaand Arch is ok with it. So I'm not trifling over it. lol. Who are outsiders to dictate the visions of the dev and hired artists? This. This seems to be the main point people are missing, moreso than the silly belief that archers are all waif-like because of characters like Wolt, Rolf, Neimi, etc. al. Edited September 23, 2014 by Siuloir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Well, yaknow, if someone's really /that/ bothered by the muscular redesign they can pay me more than what arch paid me to change it and probably will have to pay arch too because it's his hack. Arch knows exactly what he wanted when he hired me for Igrene. You don't hire me to sprite physical units without them getting 300% more muscular than their original. Anyone objecting to muscles can talk through paypal. My paypal is always open for money! Was actually a combination of being Hawkeye's daughter and being a physical unit, actually. I wouldn't make a Lilina redesign buff because of Hector, for example. Girl's a mage, she ain't pulling bows. Oi char, if you want to edit the neck a bit that'd be great because I have no clue how to shade necks though lol Edited September 23, 2014 by Thor Odinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Man, I went to bed last night hoping that hulk Igrene had ended things. ANYWAYS! This decision was made because: Igrene is the daughter of Hawkeye. Igrene has trained her entire life to be the guardian. Igrene wields a bow, which requires muscles contrary to popular series conception. The guardian of the desert looking like a runway model is highly unrealistic. There is absolutely nothing "extreme" about this redesign. And most importantly: because I'm free to interpret the characters as I choose, and to commission artists as I choose. This decision was not made because of a Mean-Girls Illuminati Spriter/Hackers cult effort to "ruin" female characters. Seriously? "The cool kids?" Funny seeing all you guys attempt to take the high-ground when all you're doing is being petty by putting fingers in your ears, shouting la-la-la and saying everyone else is wrong 'cause "reasons".Would someone please show me a legitimate point that isn't "it's just not Igrene she shouldn't have muscles." Because that's not a point, that's an opinion on a character design. Explain to me why this design doesn't fit her character biography. Just like "new Lyn isn't really Lyn," and "new Marth isn't the real Marth" before this. It's a bunch of silly nonsense, and I've grown tired of it, especially internet badasses over here who feel the need to come fan flames even further to be "anti-cool kid." Because apparently I'm "e-popular," as if that's ever actually mattered ever. As if I call up reinforcements being all "YO let's stomp on these hatin' ass lame kids over on the EN topic." Please. Edited September 23, 2014 by Arch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 hey, i'm cool on the internet, you have to listen to me. I didn't mind the style of Igrene's original sprite though but that's probably because I'm not a spriter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) I don't care much for Igrene's redesign. My reasoning is simple. She still looks way older than she does in FE6. Just to be fair, new Marth looks like shit too. :P For similar reasons too. He looks 30+. That is really odd. Edited September 23, 2014 by Ranger Jack Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Really? Marth looks like he's in his 20s at most in the redesign. I think it's honestly better than him looking like he's 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm one of the loudest vocalizer's of the EN art issues and I think Igrene looks fantastic. :/ Of course I focus more on the clashing art styles throughout, but Igrene doesn't clash so I don't dislike her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) I was given the age of ~25 to work with for that particular tale so that's what I went with, given EN isn't over any particular year after the events of FE7. I'm not going to make her look 15 just to look younger than FE6's (assy) sprites. unfortunately while it'd be great to have a consistent art style and certainly more visually coherent, it'd be far more work than worth the time/effort/amount we're paid to standardise the art styles since to do so you'd either need to 1) establish 1 art style that everyone has to somehow follow regardless of personal style despite not being professionals (it's a lot harder than it looks, trust me, if i could sprite like AK I would have already) or 2) have one artist do everything which is too time-consuming for most of us mortals (inb4 thor jokes). Alas. It'd certainly be nice, though. Edited September 23, 2014 by Thor Odinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 i would join a secret spriting hacking meangirls sorority "you cant sprite with us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siuloir Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) I don't care much for Igrene's redesign. My reasoning is simple. She still looks way older than she does in FE6. Just to be fair, new Marth looks like shit too. :P For similar reasons too. He looks 30+. That is really odd. I'd argue she could easily be early-mid 20s. Lumi's redesign looks the age range she was given now, after she and Nih tinkered with it (I thought the original seemed too old, though). The EL Marth (which I assume you are talking about) looks mid-late twenties to me, and I would chalk that up to being done with a more noble bearing and cast to his features. Ages in general can swing pretty heavily. I easily look 5-10 years younger than I am, depending. Of course I focus more on the clashing art styles throughout You should stop doing that, IMO. It's a zero cost fangame and even the original GBA game mugs themselves have artistic inconsistencies and were clearly the work of multiple artists. unfortunately while it'd be great to have a consistent art style and certainly more visually coherent, it'd be far more work than worth the time/effort/amount we're paid to standardise the art styles since to do so you'd either need to 1) establish 1 art style that everyone has to somehow follow regardless of personal style despite not being professionals (it's a lot harder than it looks, trust me, if i could sprite like AK I would have already) or 2) have one artist do everything which is too time-consuming for most of us mortals (inb4 thor jokes). Alas. People seem to fail to realize this, and/or hold an unrealistic production standard in mind for hacks. Edited September 23, 2014 by Siuloir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Just how old is Igrene anyway? She had a daughter who I assume was close to Fae's apparent young age. I don't know the details of Hawkeye's tale converging when it takes place. Has Igrene already met Astore? When did Astore disappear? Duress vFE6 mention this detail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 She had a daughter who I assume was close to Fae's apparent young age. So, about 2,000 years old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 So, about 2,000 years old? I said Fae's apparent age, not her actual age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I hope you're not implying she doesn't look 2,000 years old. Fae is clearly the ugliest hag in FE6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Kitty Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I said Fae's apparent age, not her actual age. the only manakete even remotely close to 2000 is fe13 tiki(fe1/3/11/12 is around 1100), myhrr is only around 1200, and fa is really young, I'd guess around like 500-700 for her. But I just re-read the support and it never said her daughter's age(just that apparently she was " a very attractive little girl, much like you.[Fa]" I'd probably guess she died early though, so like 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 FE13 Tiki is 3000 She's 1k when she's with Marth, and Awakening is 2k years after Marth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) New challenger approaching! Mewi, I think he needs FE8 colors? Edited October 7, 2014 by Arch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateborn Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 A female bard. Now we're getting somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Fateborn, ah, I think you missed a key word in Arch's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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