DodgeDusk Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I always use a full team, but by that I mean planned pairs of 4 or 3 pairs, and the rest are rallybots and children. I'm always fully deployed. Yeah I'm not doing that. I have 3 staffbots (sometimes I only deploy 2 if forced to) which may or may not pair up with themselves (except for Anna, she pretty much pairs up with my female Avatar all the time or is left unpaired). When it comes to offensive units each one has a support bot apart from Chrom and Avatar (and hopefully Lucina later on). So roughly I have about 6 or 7 units fighting, if that makes sense Yep. Even though I have never done a Lunatic/No-grind before. I know that your not supposed to use a full team. It's to give more levels to the units who are worth using. (MU, Gregor, Lucina, etc) If I messed up your question then tell me. I know it's easier not to use a fully deployed team (or in the way I do) but that's just the way I am. Like I said though about 1/3 of my deployed units are support bots and thus don't get experience unless they dual strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1% critted Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I meant staffbots not rallybots, my bad. I don't pair the staffbots, except on chapter 16, because they may need the speed to not be doubled by the falcos. 6 or 7 units is good, but are those units great units? Because that's the point of having few combat units, that they are so good that you don't need more units. That's why I recommend to either do some of the children paralogues, or boss rush Cervantes. But boss rushing costs you really valuable EXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeDusk Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) I don't pair the staffbots, except on chapter 16, because they may need the speed to not be doubled by the falcos. 6 or 7 units is good, but are those units great units? Because that's the point of having few combat units, that they are so good that you don't need more units. That's why I recommend to either do some of the children paralogues, or boss rush Cervantes. But boss rushing costs you really valuable EXP. Depends if you count CherchexVaike B support, SumiaxFrederick S support, Lon'quxOlivia A support and NowixGregor S support good units, which I think they all are I think I'm going to grind some of the mothers on DLC or something then, see if I can't get a few level ups on my main units via paraloges. My levels on the offensive units vary between 4-8 besides Chrom who is level 11 and Lucina who is a level 19 lord. The support bots are all promoted also because those little extra boosts couldn't hurt Edited September 8, 2013 by DodgeDusk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dying Blaze Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Depends if you count CherchexVaike B support, SumiaxFrederick S support, Lon'quxOlivia A support and NowixGregor S support good units, which I think they all are I think I'm going to grind some of the mothers on DLC or something then, see if I can't get a few level ups on my main units via paraloges. My levels on the offensive units vary between 4-8 besides Chrom who is level 11 and Lucina who is a level 19 lord. The support bots are all promoted also because those little extra boosts couldn't hurt Do you have access to Master Seals? It seems like Lucina could use one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeDusk Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Do you have access to Master Seals? It seems like Lucina could use one. Yeah she's got one equipped iirc, but she can kill 2 promoted enemies and then get to level 20 without much trouble. They just got to be weakened first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dying Blaze Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Yeah she's got one equipped iirc, but she can kill 2 promoted enemies and then get to level 20 without much trouble. They just got to be weakened first Wouldn't it just be easier to promote her in the preperations screen? You would only miss out on 1 stat in Str, Skill, and Lck. (iirc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeDusk Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Wouldn't it just be easier to promote her in the preperations screen? You would only miss out on 1 stat in Str, Skill, and Lck. (iirc) I suppose. I suppose the other units would benefit more from the experience gain from the promoted enemies as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I know it's easier not to use a fully deployed team (or in the way I do) but that's just the way I am. Well, this is the reality of Lunatic. Enemy stats are crazy, they use illegal forges, and they get free +10/20 HIT skills, so if you aren't prepared to adjust your playstyle to compensate, you're in for a world of hurt. Depends if you count CherchexVaike B support, SumiaxFrederick S support, Lon'quxOlivia A support and NowixGregor S support good units, which I think they all are Cherche is OK (homeless man's Pannecake), even though that's a weird support for her. Sumia is excellent with a Frederick support. Lon'qu is going to have a lot of problems if you are trying to dodgetank with him, especially with Olivia as his support partner (enemy HIT is high now, and will only get higher as time goes on). NowixGregor is very good, but only if you get her stats to critical mass: she needs to have decent offense and be able to shrug off hits with high DEF/RES, otherwise it doesn't work. You have the seeds of a good team, but need to focus your EXP a little more unless you feel like being frustrated. I had a strange team in my run, but I was only using about 4-5 units as combatants at this point (Avatar, Gregor, Morgan, Lucina, secondary Miriel). Edited September 9, 2013 by Interceptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greener223224 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I find no reason to ever play the game past Normal mode. Hard mode can't grind, so I'd probably end up unable to grind without making myself poor as all get out and losing my chance to recruit any of the kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) You can grind. Use Lost bloodlines 3 when you outgrow exp farming thing Edit: Holy shit Ch3 is countercity Can i reset it away or will some things always have (ie reset for least bad) Edited September 9, 2013 by Tribute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greener223224 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 You can grind. Use Lost bloodlines 3 when you outgrow exp farming thing I have no credit card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I have no credit card. Assuming that this is to be taken literally and the only thing stopping you is not having access to a credit/debit card(But you have money/arent a DLCIsEvil Crusader) just go to target and buy a 3ds eshop card or go to the grocery store and buy a visa giftcard (Not 100% if Visa giftcards work, I know I've paid for other things online with em though) Edited September 9, 2013 by Tribute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greener223224 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Assuming that this is to be taken literally and the only thing stopping you is not having access to a credit/debit card(But you have money/arent a DLCIsEvil Crusader) just go to target and buy a 3ds eshop card or go to the grocery store and buy a visa giftcard (Not 100% if Visa giftcards work, I know I've paid for other things online with em though) There are no Targets in Canada. Also, I don't want my mom to scream at me using her credit card to buy shit on Steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) There are no Targets in Canada. Also, I don't want my mom to scream at me using her credit card to buy shit on Steam. Target was just an example. http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/retail/retail_retailers.jsp I know for a fact you can buy them in canada Edited September 9, 2013 by Tribute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeDusk Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Well, this is the reality of Lunatic. Enemy stats are crazy, they use illegal forges, and they get free +10/20 HIT skills, so if you aren't prepared to adjust your playstyle to compensate, you're in for a world of hurt. Cherche is OK (homeless man's Pannecake), even though that's a weird support for her. Sumia is excellent with a Frederick support. Lon'qu is going to have a lot of problems if you are trying to dodgetank with him, especially with Olivia as his support partner (enemy HIT is high now, and will only get higher as time goes on). NowixGregor is very good, but only if you get her stats to critical mass: she needs to have decent offense and be able to shrug off hits with high DEF/RES, otherwise it doesn't work. You have the seeds of a good team, but need to focus your EXP a little more unless you feel like being frustrated. I had a strange team in my run, but I was only using about 4-5 units as combatants at this point (Avatar, Gregor, Morgan, Lucina, secondary Miriel). I see. I appreciate the advice. Any recommendation for a decent Cherche support? Vaike is a hero and I would've thought the boost in speed and skill would be good as well as the boosts in attack and defence I might just grind on DLC a little bit then if everyone thinks I'm under levelled. I'm not proud of it but I'm not going to put this playthrough on halt. As much as I'm failing I am enjoying it when I am successful and I can rub it in my friends face for a little while if I do succeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I see. I appreciate the advice. Any recommendation for a decent Cherche support? Vaike is a hero and I would've thought the boost in speed and skill would be good as well as the boosts in attack and defence Vaike is fine, it's just not optimal. As a Fighter he's not giving Cherche the stats that she wants (STR/DEF are nice, but she has a ton of both and really wants SPD instead), and as a Hero he represents a gigantic chunk of EXP that has been wasted on a unit in a Support role. Gregor would be a far superior partner, since he only costs you a Master Seal to get in the right spot (gives SKL/SPD/DEF right away, and has the option to to Hero or Bow Knight). What you have is the worst of both worlds: two units that aren't that great. I might just grind on DLC a little bit then if everyone thinks I'm under levelled. I'm not proud of it but I'm not going to put this playthrough on halt. As much as I'm failing I am enjoying it when I am successful and I can rub it in my friends face for a little while if I do succeed It's your playthrough, you can do whatever the eff you want. Nobody has a smooth experience on their first Lunatic run, your subsequent ones will be better. My first time, I barely made it to Endgame, and basically got carried on the backs of Nowi, Tiki, and Sorcerer Avatar. Everyone else was garbage, because I spread EXP too thinly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 My first time, I actually only manage to train.... 5 units that manage to be a competent unit at at CH 23 and 24 >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Just WTF with Chapter 25. The amount of surprise reinforcement annoyed me to no end. I don't want to rush the boss, so is there a sane way to complete this chapter before I resort to Golden Gaffe, forging weapons just to oneshot those guys with hax forges. Edited September 9, 2013 by Shengar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Just WTF with Chapter 25. The amount of surprise reinforcement annoyed me to no end. I don't want to rush the boss, so is there a sane way to complete this chapter before I resort to Golden Gaffe, forging weapons just to oneshot those guys with hax forges. Fall back to the mountains to either the west or east. The fliers can still get to you, but none of the Mire guys can reach, and the ground-based enemies are slowed down significantly in getting to you. That may release enough pressure for you to clear it; just hold out until the reinforcements stop coming (iirc it's around Turn 13 or so). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Alternatively, considering you shouldn't need the extra Exp at this point in the game anymore, you could just rush to Aversa and one-shot her with haxcalibur or a bow to end the chapter before any of the reinforcements even show up. A sturdy flier to go over the mountains and avoid most of the combat on your way there would be useful for this purpose, obviously. EDIT: Sorry, I somehow missed that you don't want to rush the boss. Disregard what I wrote in this case. Edited September 9, 2013 by Scarlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Seriously, how do you do ch3 lol, counter on everything :| Edited September 9, 2013 by Tribute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Seriously, how do you do ch3 lol, counter on everything :| Interceptor's play-log has a pretty good way of dealing with it, although it assumes you've been following the guide the previous three chapters. The other option is basically to reset until the bottom doesn't have much Counter (1 per group is ideal, although 2 is doable with enough luck). Then open the doors, clear the individual Knights and kite the remainder in circles around the stage, forcing them to fight one of your stronger units during their phase (end your movement within range of the lead enemy of the group and only the lead enemy). After that, Avatar fighting at range with a Hammer-equipped Fred as support will tear her apart, regardless of skill setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Can I get a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeDusk Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Can I get a link? http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=40300 Iirc his bow strategy doesn't come into full effect until around the halfway point of the playthrough but it's a good read regardless and is helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) My playlog is here. Worth noting that as KTT said, it depends on having raised a +DEF over-leveled Avatar as a requirement, but you still might find some useful info there regardless of your spec. EDIT: full-on Ninja'ed Edited September 9, 2013 by Interceptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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