Just call me AL Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I find it funny how this went from a paring gameplay evaluation thread to Sumia bashing when it comes to Frederick X Sumia. I suppose. I just think the payoff isn't enough to justify jumping through all those hoops... Swordfaire (which I suppose you meant instead of Tomefaire) is about all the Myrm class tree has that's of any note. **coughcoughanother2.5Xdamagechanceandanextraskillclassbetterthansnipercoughcough* Seriously, you just gotta make sure you're not dealing anything more than 1 DMG. Astra doesn't waste weapon uses like in other FEs, you know. Not to mention, a class with the speed of a Swordmaster and the accuracy of a Sniper is always helpful. and in my humble opinion, Olivia's better paired with someone else. The only ones who would probably be good non-Chrom candidates for a husband for Olivia would be Robin (no duh), Frederick, Stahl, and Lon'qu, and maybe Kellam and Virion. Several other options either have class overlap (Gregor), or classes that Inigo wouldn't necessarily want, or likely wouldn't have the growths for (Henry, Ricken, Libra). And the competition for good husbands is hot in some areas. Edited April 19, 2013 by Little Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 **coughcoughanother2.5Xdamagechanceandanextraskillclassbetterthansnipercoughcough* Seriously, you just gotta make sure you're not dealing anything more than 1 DMG. Astra doesn't waste weapon uses like in other FEs, you know. The only ones who would probably be good non-Chrom candidates for a husband for Olivia would be Robin (no duh), Frederick, Stahl, and Lon'qu, and maybe Kellam and Virion. Several other options either have class overlap (Gregor), or classes that Inigo wouldn't necessarily want, or likely wouldn't have the growths for (Henry, Ricken, Libra). And the competition for good husbands is hot in some areas. True, Astra doesn't waste weapon uses like in other FEs, but it still doesn't really sound all that appealing when Lucina already has Aether... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Again someone is claiming that me saying why I dislike a character is bashing them? (the same happened on a different forum) Gods, give me a break, please. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) True, Astra doesn't waste weapon uses like in other FEs, but it still doesn't really sound all that appealing when Lucina already has Aether... With Rightful King and Limit Break(er) it gives Great Lord Lucina a 60% chance+ to activate Aether and or Astra in one strike iirc. Where as if it was only Aether it would be only 37% I need to look up on that but point is Astra+Aether>Aether+Some other skill. Doesn't hurt that Swordmaster Inigo with Rightful King and Sol (my set in my Lunatic postgame run with ChromxOlivia) with a luck boosting tonic Inigo has almost an 80% chance to activate Sol and when with somebody (I think Hero and Assassin) he gets a whopping 86% chance to activate Sol and he can become pretty damn hard to beat even if you pit him in the middle of a mob with that. The only possible worthwhile replacement for that is if you paired Olivia up with either Lon'qu, Virion, or Frederick and gave Inigo Lancebreaker. Edited April 19, 2013 by Quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 With Rightful King and Limit Break(er) it gives around a 60% chance to activate Aether and or Astra in one strike iirc. Where as if it was only Aether it would be only 35% I need to look up on that but point is Astra+Aether>Aether+Some other skill. I'd rather some defensive skill over Astra since making up for lacking offense is easy. Making up for inadequate defense... is more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'd rather some defensive skill over Astra since making up for lacking offense is easy. Making up for inadequate defense... is more difficult. Well whatever it is Olivia!Lucina has all the defensive skills Lucina has, san Pavise. Renewal isn't a skill that is that great for Lucina (albeit a great skill for other units like Gerome) and Lifetaker isn't even worth considering over Astra. Sumia!Lucina is good but it's not like Olivia!Lucina doesn't have more than what she needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Well whatever it is Olivia!Lucina has all the defensive skills Lucina has, san Pavise. Renewal isn't a skill that is that great for Lucina (albeit a great skill for other units like Gerome) and Lifetaker isn't even worth considering over Astra. Sumia!Lucina is good but it's not like Olivia!Lucina doesn't have more than what she needs. I dunno about you, but I'm not exactly enthused about having to grind Olivia just so she can have any real impact on Lucina's bases... and ultimately, I think the inconveniences of having Olivia mother Lucina are more than enough to be a dealbreaker. That is all. And to be honest, I don't know exactly what you were trying to prove with bringing up what you did, for one, and second, I think Chrom gives Lucina all the offensive skills she'd care about. Edited April 19, 2013 by Levant Fortner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 "I think Chrom gives Lucina all the offensive skills she'd care about." As far as procs goes, yes The advantage for Olivia is really Swordfaire, Assassin Lucina, and an extra STR cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueFire Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 This page is very helpful. http://www.serenesforest.net/fe13/children/lucina.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I dunno about you, but I'm not exactly enthused about having to grind Olivia just so she can have any real impact on Lucina's bases... and ultimately, I think the inconveniences of having Olivia mother Lucina are more than enough to be a deal-breaker. That is all. And to be honest, I don't know exactly what you were trying to prove with bringing up what you did, for one, and second, I think Chrom gives Lucina all the offensive skills she'd care about. A lot of the mothers would have to be ground up (or at least brought up to speed) anyways to make their kids viable, y'know. Olivia's no exception. Edited April 19, 2013 by Little Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 A lot of the mothers would have to be ground up (or at least brought up to speed) anyways to make their kids viable, y'know. Olivia's no exception. I know that much. I suppose it's just bias speaking because I think Chrom/Olivia definitely coulda been handled better (ergo, I wouldn't mind it so much if it weren't reduced to a last-minute thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Actually, I did Chrom/Maribelle for my (primary) playthrough. It's hard/casual, and I was interested in expiramenting with the fact that everyone else puts this couple down. Sure, the two don't exactly support eachother in the best way, but the end result can work out quite well. I had Maribelle pass down Galeforce to Lucina, then made Lucina into a dark knight. Once she had galeforce, aether, and life taker, coupled with the high magic she inherits from her mom, she was a very strong force to be reckoned with. Her low defense modifiers were canceled out by her dark knight class and lifetaker, so all she really needs to do is pull of the kill and she's set. And Brady as a war monk wasnt half bad either. (And I always break down laughing when Sumia is creeping on the reunion.) Oh, and Frederick+Sumia. I noticed quite a few people didnt like this pairing, and neither do I (I benched Sumia once they got married.) I did it because it makes Fred and Cynthia's supports that much better. Edited April 20, 2013 by Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I actually like the Frederick x Sumia pairing. One, I can start supporting them at chapter 3, so Sumia's married off by chapter 8 at the most without grinding. Which means a better chance at Olivia. Their supports are cute, Frederick!Cynthia gets a beastly amount of defense and Luna, and her supports with her father are very heartwarming indeed. Granted, I REALLY hate that Sumia was locked out of options in the same way Chrom was... Chrom I understand a bit because he has to get married off before chapter 11 (but they could have given him Miriel, Panne, Tharja or Cordelia) but Sumia doesn't. To be honest, I would have loved to pair Sumia with Vaike. But that's just me I guess. Anyway, this is about Chrom. Chrom/Maribelle's supports are actually very sweet... it may be because Brady as Chrom's son doesn't seem as "right" as, say, Inigo or Morgan. That and I always pair Brady with Lucina so nope, can't do it. I like the pairing, really. And it's cute how Maribelle is still ever-so devoted to Lissa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) I actually like the Frederick x Sumia pairing. One, I can start supporting them at chapter 3, so Sumia's married off by chapter 8 at the most without grinding. Which means a better chance at Olivia. Their supports are cute, Frederick!Cynthia gets a beastly amount of defense and Luna, and her supports with her father are very heartwarming indeed. Granted, I REALLY hate that Sumia was locked out of options in the same way Chrom was... Chrom I understand a bit because he has to get married off before chapter 11 (but they could have given him Miriel, Panne, Tharja or Cordelia) but Sumia doesn't. To be honest, I would have loved to pair Sumia with Vaike. But that's just me I guess. Anyway, this is about Chrom. Chrom/Maribelle's supports are actually very sweet... it may be because Brady as Chrom's son doesn't seem as "right" as, say, Inigo or Morgan. That and I always pair Brady with Lucina so nope, can't do it. I like the pairing, really. And it's cute how Maribelle is still ever-so devoted to Lissa. That makes two of us - I hate that Sumia was restricted in terms of marriage options for no real reason. I personally woulda liked to have her marry Stahl or something. Edited April 20, 2013 by Levant Fortner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Sumia Vaike would be like.... a dream comes true. Its sad that in the end Sumia is surprisingly the best marriage choice for MU.... As for Maribelle and Chrom, their A support is basically a moment to respect for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 The only thing about the possibility of Stahl x Sumia is that a lot of people would use it, not because they actually like the supports or what-not, but because it gets both of them out of the way. It's sad, really. I adore Stahl so much, even if he's a mediocre unit in terms of gameplay. And yes, it would be! Their supports would be hilarious. Hopefully I feel inspired today and end up writing it. :) Gods, yes. All of Maribelle's supports are beautiful - that's why I love her so much. She may initially come across as your standard snooty noble, but then her supports completely turn that on its head so well, I just... wow Nintendo. Serious respect for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 AFAIK Stahl is usually regarded as the best father for Severa, fighting for the spot against like.... Frederick and Lon'Qu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singularity Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) I also wish Sumia has more candidates though. I could go with Sumia/Stahl if he's a candidate(makes a pretty decent Falcoknight Cynthia). Revised my pairings a bit. Pairings LissaxVaike - Libra in case FeMU marries Chrom SullyxDonny - Still searching for alternative in case Donny gets shafted to Tharja instead. Leaning towards Vaike for alternative. MirielxRicken SumiaxFrederick - Decided to make Cynthia a Falcoknight. MaribellexHenry - Dunno what class for Brady, Sage or War Monk. Leaning towards Sage but he has an unique model as a War Monk. PannexGregor CordeliaxLon'qu NowixKellam/Gaius - Kellam for slow but tanky Nah, Gaius for Galeforce. Leaning towards Kellam. TharjaxGaius/Donny - In case Gaius was given to Nah then Donny takes the place. Also, Donny gives Noire Armsthrift. OliviaxChrom/Virion - If FeMU marries Chrom then she'll get Virion instead. CherchexStahl - The only one remaining. Still pretty solid IMO. FeMUxChrom/Libra - If Chrom was taken then FeMU goes to Libra. Asset/Flaw is +Str/-Def. Edited April 20, 2013 by Pega-Pony Princess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 [/thumbs up] Sounds like great pairing options, Princess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singularity Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share Posted April 20, 2013 I was also thinking Cherche with Virion too because of their backstory(also they make a somewhat viable Gerome) but Stahl gives better mods. And I'm still torn with Chrom and Libra. Chrom sounds better stat-wise and interaction-wise but I have a bias towards Libra soo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 "MirielxRicken" I suggest Lon'Qu because he gives Vantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) I don't blame you if you go Libra, Princess. Miracle is never a bad skill to have on hand, and Healtouch is great if Morgan is reclassed to a stave-wielded class, like Trickster or Sage or Falcon Knight. If that doesn't win you over, Libra's confessional just might. ;) Vantage is a great skill in the mid-game, but late-game your avoid rate may be so high it completely nullifies the skill's usefulness. All depends on how you play, of course, but that's just from what I've seen. Edited April 20, 2013 by Vashiane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) That makes two of us - I hate that Sumia was restricted in terms of marriage options for no real reason. I personally woulda liked to have her marry Stahl or something. Gregor on my front. In regards to Sumia's pairs that is. Edited April 20, 2013 by Little Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singularity Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't blame you if you go Libra, Princess. Miracle is never a bad skill to have on hand, and Healtouch is great if Morgan is reclassed to a stave-wielded class, like Trickster or Sage or Falcon Knight. If that doesn't win you over, Libra's confessional just might. ;) Vantage is a great skill in the mid-game, but late-game your avoid rate may be so high it completely nullifies the skill's usefulness. All depends on how you play, of course, but that's just from what I've seen. His confession is only one of the feats that wins my heart :3 Despite that, RK Morgan seems pretty good. Also, Chrom gives better mods. I guess the time will decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singularity Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) PairingsChromxOliviaLissaxVaikeSullyxDonnelMirielxRickenSumiaxFrederickMaribellexHenryPannexLon'qu - Decided to give Gregor to Tharja. Gregor might be a better choice but I need him for VVW Noire. Plus, +6 Skl and +7 Spd is nothing to scoff at.CordeliaxVirion - Sure it's not the best but at least it's still viable. also Miku SeveraNowixGaius - Grants Nah Galeforce, also he gives pretty good mods for her.TharjaxGregor - Since Tharja is the only possible Sorc that I'll use(and has Vengeance) I'm going to make VVW Noire. Also Gregor grants Armsthrift so that's a bonus. The mods aren't half bad either.CherchexStahlFeMUxLibra80% done(actually done but not fixed yet), I still need suggestions. Edited April 25, 2013 by Pega-Pony Princess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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