Interceptor Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Good units shouldn't require the rest of the team to conform just to meet their own needs.Your argument is rejected for putting words in my mouth. Nowi doesn't require a specially built team, she requires that people not eat her lunch. Miriel Nosferatanking in one of of Nowi's best training chapters, for instance, which snowballed into denying her another one due to missing training. It's fine if people are on the sandbag patrol, as long as it's recognized. Not easy to do a playthrough where you can test multiple things at once without give and take. Edited May 7, 2013 by Interceptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Well, Nowi wasnt exactly reliable in that map (Paralogue 4 is the one you meant right?) vs the mages. She was taking 7 damage vs them out of her 20ish hp. I guess I could have used Ward on her with Libra, but that wouldve meant I wouldnt have recruited Anna earlier and maximize my experience gain elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Well, Nowi wasnt exactly reliable in that map (Paralogue 4 is the one you meant right?) vs the mages. She was taking 7 damage vs them out of her 20ish hp. I guess I could have used Ward on her with Libra, but that wouldve meant I wouldnt have recruited Anna earlier and maximize my experience gain elsewhere. My chapter 9 strategy is still there. @Doofina: No unit is going to be good if the team is built against them. Sully will suck if she's your only high move unit because she can't tank and would often be past the rest of your army etc. PKL's team quite literally works against Nowi so she didn't really stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Nowi definatly isn't entitled to all the exp in paralogue 4, and PKL still got her two levels there, which is still quite a bit of exp, only one less than a level 2 Miriel. I don't see the issue. Edited May 7, 2013 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I thought this was a playthrough to show Miriel sucked stahp it PKL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Well, Nowi wasnt exactly reliable in that map (Paralogue 4 is the one you meant right?) vs the mages. She was taking 7 damage vs them out of her 20ish hp. I guess I could have used Ward on her with Libra, but that wouldve meant I wouldnt have recruited Anna earlier and maximize my experience gain elsewhere.Plus Ward, RES tonics also available at this point, and alternative Pairs. Nowi definatly isn't entitled to all the exp in paralogue 4, and PKL still got her two levels there, which is still quite a bit of exp, only one less than a level 2 Miriel. I don't see the issue. What is this "entitled" you speak of? You have to put units in a position to succeed, otherwise you're just sandbagging them and not getting a good read of their performance. Nobody bats an eyelash at training the earlygame scrub-bags, who need to be fed kills. Here you have Nowi, who is contributing to clears during her training, but has to step aside to let a lesser unit (who ate a Seal and is chomping on Nosferatu) grow instead. Mirel, by the way, was +4 cumulative from the reclass. Lesson here is one of opportunity cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 What is this "entitled" you speak of? You have to put units in a position to succeed, otherwise you're just sandbagging them and not getting a good read of their performance. Nobody bats an eyelash at training the earlygame scrub-bags, who need to be fed kills. Here you have Nowi, who is contributing to clears during her training, but has to step aside to let a lesser unit (who ate a Seal and is chomping on Nosferatu) grow instead. Mirel, by the way, was +4 cumulative from the reclass. Lesson here is one of opportunity cost. I'm far to lazy to multiquote, but you said something of the lines of Miriel (or other units) "eating Nowai's lunch" which I understood as her rightful exp, it was a pretty vague statement if you weren't implying that. The earlygame scrubbags get the exp they need because there are no other units to give it to, so I have no idea why you bring that up. While I agree Miriel is a worse unit, there's no doubt she wasn't contributing to the clear just like Nowai did in your log. There's nothing wrong with giving worse units more exp, if it isn't affecting the reliability of the clears of the chapter. She's not going to get 12 levels in 5 chapters like she did in your log every time she's in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 It's not her "rightful EXP", but if you are playing her seriously, she's one of the best returns for the investment. A couple boosters and she can handle half the map: this is more than one can say for other in-training units. Giving the kills to a less-efficient unit is literally sandbagging Nowi by denying her resources that she uses well. It's less "this is why Nowi is over-rated" and more "this is why Miriel sucks". The earlygame units could certainly give their kills to Frederick. There's a reason why you'd avoid doing that, and in fact it's in the same family as this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 In my playlog I favored Stahl over her in the map and she still got a ton of levels. Her low level makes it extremely easy to level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 In my playlog I favored Stahl over her in the map and she still got a ton of levels. Her low level makes it extremely easy to level. Sully usually gets me decent level-ups and is almost a guarantee good unit, while Stahl's level ups and stats depend on how fairly the RNG feels about him. I'm a bit of a risk-taker, so I prefer Stahl to Sully. It's paid off this playthough, my Stahl is a beautiful, speed-blessed assassin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Sully usually gets me decent level-ups and is almost a guarantee good unit, while Stahl's level ups and stats depend on how fairly the RNG feels about him. I'm a bit of a risk-taker, so I prefer Stahl to Sully. It's paid off this playthough, my Stahl is a beautiful, speed-blessed assassin. It's the exact opposite for me typically (see soul's latest thread and subtract five from the count to get how many times I've used Sully)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) [spoiler=Kjelly]Cherche Gaius went for the boss. Sully Chrom trailed close behind and helped Kjelly and took down 1-2 ranged enemies.The others merely battled for exp.4 turns out of 88 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 03.52 51 22 3 24 26 25 22 21 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Lucina C Jesus TACT 12.67 29 15 10 12 11 14 8 8 SW E TM C Miriel S Chrom C Morgan C Frederick GREAT 15.81 44 24 4 21 17 11 22 6 SW A LC A AX B Sumia S Sully PAL 04.26 36 16 5 20 19 14 17 13 SW D LC A Chrom S Miriel DARKM 11.43 35 5 19 17 13 13 11 13 TM B Jesus S Sumia DARKF 06.39 39 21 14 23 27 23 13 19 LC A TM D Frederick S Gaius ASS 01.67 31 16 2 22 24 9 9 5 SW B BW D Cherche C Nowi MANA 16.80 31 20 9 12 11 17 22 17 Gregor S Gregor MERC 11.07 31 13 0 14 12 9 10 2 SW C Nowi S Olivia DANCE 03.38 20 4 1 10 9 10 4 2 SW D Cherche GRIFF 02.81 52 26 5 24 24 17 22 7 AX B Gaius C Lucina LORD 11.42 33 13 3 18 19 17 12 9 SW C Chrom C Sully C Morgan MAGE 13.05 30 8 18 14 14 13 7 11 TM C Jesus C Miriel C Kjelle KNIGHT 10.00 33 16 2 15 13 16 20 8 LC C [spoiler=Laurent Paralogue]Cherche Gaius go straight for the boss. Miriel recruits her son and he hides like a coward. Morgan and Nowi get thrown and stuffso they can level up. Gaius used Iron Bow on the boss and Cherche dual'd twice with the Killer Axe.2 turns out of 90 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 03.52 51 22 3 24 26 25 22 21 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Lucina C Kjelle C Jesus TACT 12.67 29 15 10 12 11 14 8 8 SW E TM C Miriel S Morgan C Frederick PAL 01.12 48 22 5 22 20 11 18 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 04.26 36 16 5 20 19 14 17 13 SW D LC A Chrom S Miriel DARKM 12.02 36 5 19 17 13 13 12 14 TM B Jesus S Morgan C Sumia DARKF 06.56 39 21 14 23 27 23 13 19 LC A TM D Frederick S Gaius ASS 02.67 32 17 2 23 25 9 10 5 SW B BW D Cherche B Nowi MANA 17.87 32 20 9 12 12 18 23 17 Gregor S Gregor MERC 11.47 31 13 0 14 12 9 10 2 SW C Nowi S Olivia DANCE 03.72 20 4 1 10 9 10 4 2 SW D Cherche GRIFF 04.67 54 27 6 26 25 18 23 7 AX B Gaius B Lucina LORD 11.61 33 13 3 18 19 17 12 9 SW C Chrom C Sully C Kjelle C Morgan MAGE 14.92 30 8 19 15 15 14 7 11 TM C Jesus C Miriel C Kjelle GREAT 01.00 41 19 2 17 16 16 23 9 SW E LC C AX E Chrom C sully C Lucina C Laurent MAGe 10.63 29 6 15 12 10 12 7 9 TM C [spoiler=Chapter 14]Nowi went to the right boat. Cherche Chrom took the left boat.Morgan got some kills. Miriel took the south boat. ChercheORKO'd the boss with hammer.2 turns out of 92 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 03.67 51 22 3 24 26 25 22 21 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Lucina C Kjelle C Jesus TACT 13.97 30 16 10 13 12 15 8 8 SW E TM C Miriel S Chrom C Frederick PAL 01.26 48 22 5 22 20 11 18 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 04.47 36 16 5 20 19 14 17 13 SW D LC A Chrom S Lucina C Kjelle C Miriel DARKM 13.68 37 6 20 17 13 14 12 14 TM B Jesus S Sumia DARKF 07.05 40 21 15 24 28 23 14 19 LC A TM D Frederick S Gaius ASS 03.07 33 18 2 24 26 9 10 5 SW B BW D Cherche B Nowi MANA 19.58 34 22 10 14 12 20 25 18 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 01.00 37 16 0 16 15 9 11 4 SW C BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCE 04.06 21 4 1 10 9 11 4 2 SW D Cherche GRIFF 06.43 56 28 6 27 27 20 25 7 AX B Gaius B Lucina LORD 11.67 33 13 3 18 19 17 12 9 SW C Chrom C Sully C Kjelle C Morgan MAGE 17.20 32 9 21 17 17 16 9 13 TM C Jesus C Miriel C Laurent C [spoiler=Chapter 15]Deliverer Cherche and Gaius get 3 villages on their own. Morgan Mirielkill stuff in the center. Sumia Fred fly to the beach enemies andown them. Nowi Gregor helped Morgan and Miriel in the center, same with SullyChrom. Say'ri was rescued by Jesus!Anna.3 turns out of 95 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 04.85 52 22 3 25 27 25 22 21 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Lucina C Kjelle C Jesus TACT 15.08 31 17 12 14 12 18 8 9 SW E TM C Miriel S Chrom C Laurent C Morgan C Frederick PAL 01.47 48 22 5 22 20 11 18 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 04.89 36 16 5 20 19 14 17 13 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelle C Lucina C Miriel DARKM 13.98 37 6 20 17 13 14 12 14 TM B Jesus S Laurent C Morgan C Sumia DARKF 08.50 41 21 15 24 29 23 14 20 LC A TM D Frederick S Gaius ASS 03.25 33 18 2 24 26 9 10 5 SW B BW C Cherche A Nowi MANA 21.10 37 23 12 16 13 22 25 19 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 01.15 37 16 0 16 15 9 11 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCE 04.40 21 4 1 10 9 11 4 2 SW D Cherche GRIFF 06.73 56 28 6 27 27 20 25 11 AX B Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 05.41 44 15 23 23 20 17 17 17 SW E TM C Miriel C Jesus C Laurent C [spoiler=Chapter 16]Cherche Gaius went through the left path of the tree where there is only 1 bow knight (which she dodgedanwyay because 30 hit). Deliverer allowed Cherche to get to the boss in Turn 3 and hammer him forwhat would've been a ORKO but he proc'd Pavise 2 times, then died in EP anyway. Got all the loot.3 turns out of 98 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 05.88 53 22 3 25 28 25 22 21 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus GRAND 01.11 35 20 15 16 14 16 10 11 SW E TM C Miriel S Morgan C Frederick PAL 01.47 48 22 5 22 20 11 18 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 05.27 37 17 5 20 19 15 17 13 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelle C Lucina C Miriel DARKM 15.02 39 6 22 18 15 14 13 14 TM B Jesus S Morgan C Laurent C Sumia DARKF 08.85 41 21 15 24 29 23 14 20 LC A TM D Frederick S Gaius ASS 03.35 33 18 2 24 26 9 10 5 SW B BW C Cherche A Nowi MANA 22.37 38 23 12 17 13 23 26 20 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 01.45 37 16 0 16 15 9 11 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCE 04.74 21 4 1 10 9 11 4 2 SW D Cherche GRIFF 08.12 58 29 6 29 28 22 29 11 AX B Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 06.46 45 16 23 24 21 17 17 18 SW E TM B Jesus C Miriel C Laurent C [spoiler=Chapter 17]Cherche is 3HKO'd by bows, so she took 2 snipers on at the same time like a boss in EP 1even though she didnt need to. Chrom lured a Rexcalibur valkyrie out of the way and Cherche just pushed through to the bootschest. Chrom followed her after Anna opened the door nearest to the start and he opened the door so Cherche could switch to Gaius and get the boots.Sumia and Fred just went straight to the boss.5 turns out of 103 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 07.13 55 23 3 26 29 25 23 22 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus GRAND 01.26 35 20 17 16 16 16 10 11 SW E TM C Miriel S Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 02.24 49 22 5 23 20 11 19 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 05.82 37 17 5 20 19 15 17 13 SW C LC A Chrom S Lucina C Kjelle C Miriel SORC 02.37 45 7 25 21 17 14 16 17 TM B Jesus S Morgan C Laurent C Sumia DARKF 09.80 42 21 16 24 30 24 14 20 LC A TM C Frederick S Gaius ASS 03.55 33 18 2 24 26 9 10 5 SW B BW C Cherche A Nowi MANA 23.33 39 24 13 17 13 23 26 21 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 01.56 37 16 0 16 15 9 11 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCe 04.91 21 4 1 10 9 11 4 2 SW D Cherche GRIFF 09.46 59 30 6 29 28 23 29 11 AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 08.16 46 17 23 25 21 17 18 19 SW E TM B Jesus C Miriel C Laurent C [spoiler=Chapter 18]Deliverer Boots Cherche goes down and kills stuff that goes towards her.The others fended off enemies near the start. Yen'fay could be doubledby Cherche because of spd tonic and Gaius pair up but she crit him anyway with Killer Axe.2 turns out of 105 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 07.25 55 23 3 26 29 25 23 22 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus GRAND 01.31 35 20 17 16 16 16 10 11 SW E TM C Miriel S Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 02.40 49 22 5 23 20 11 19 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 06.22 38 18 5 20 20 15 18 13 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelle C Lucina C Miriel SORC 03.60 46 7 25 21 17 14 16 17 TM B Jesus S Morgan C Laurent C Sumia DARKF 10.77 43 21 16 25 31 25 14 20 LC A TM C Frederick S Gaius ASS 04.25 34 19 2 25 27 9 11 5 SW B BW C Cherche A Nowi MANA 23.33 39 24 13 17 13 23 26 21 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 01.56 37 16 0 16 15 9 11 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCE 05.08 22 4 1 11 10 11 4 3 SW D Cherche GRIFF 12.33 62 32 7 31 29 24 31 11 AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 08.86 46 17 23 25 21 17 18 19 SW E TM B Miriel C Laurent C Jesus C [spoiler=Tiki]Hit end turn 5 times after Rescuing Tiki to a more appropriate spot.6 turns out of 111 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 08.22 56 23 3 27 30 26 23 23 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus GRAND 01.67 35 20 17 16 16 16 10 11 SW E TM B Miriel S Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 02.80 49 22 5 23 20 11 19 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 06.52 38 18 5 20 20 15 18 13 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelly C Lucina C Miriel SORC 06.88 48 8 26 24 18 16 17 17 TM A Jesus S Morgan C Laurent C Sumia DARKF 12.02 45 22 17 25 33 26 14 20 LC A TM c Frederick S Gaius ASS 04.78 34 19 2 25 27 9 11 5 SW B BW C Cherche A Nowi MANA 24.92 40 25 13 18 14 24 27 22 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 01.81 37 16 0 16 15 9 11 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCe 06.10 22 4 1 12 11 11 4 4 SW D Cherche GRIFF 14.03 64 33 8 32 31 25 32 11 AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 09.60 47 17 23 26 22 18 18 19 SW E TM B Miriel C Jesus C Laurent C [spoiler=Cynthia]Cherche gets 3HKO'd by bows at 35% and tinked by everything else/not able to be hit. Literally, the berserkers had 0 hit and some of the others had like 7 hit too.She went up and KO'd a sniper then KO'd like everyone in EP and got hit by a 35 hit bow for24 damage. She then went up and KO'd the dark knight. Sully Chrom took down the boss.Sumia Fred recruited Cynthia then killed the northwest enemies.3 turns out of 114 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 09.27 57 24 3 28 30 27 23 24 SW A LC A Sully S Kjelly C Morgan C Jesus C Jesus GRAND 02.22 36 21 18 17 17 17 10 12 SW E TM B Miriel S Chrom C Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 03.51 50 22 5 24 21 11 19 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Sully PAL 07.19 39 19 6 21 21 16 19 14 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelly C Lucina C Miriel SORC 07.04 49 8 26 25 19 16 17 18 TM A Jesus S Morgan C Laurent C Sumia DARKF 12.87 45 22 17 25 33 26 14 20 LC A TM C Frederick S Gaius ASS 05.09 35 19 3 25 28 10 11 5 SW B BW B Cherche A Nowi MANA 25.85 41 28 14 21 16 24 30 25 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 02.01 38 17 0 17 15 10 12 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCE 06.58 22 4 1 12 11 11 4 4 SW D Cherche WYLORD 01.14 67 35 9 31 30 26 35 11 LC E AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 09.85 47 17 23 26 22 18 18 19 SW E TM B Jesus C Miriel C Laurent C Cynthia PEGA 10.00 35 15 7 19 24 20 12 13 LC C Edited May 8, 2013 by Peekayell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) [spoiler=Chapter 19]Cherche lures Walhart and is attacked by a single bow knight, whom she dodgedagain because 30 hit as usual. They're so threatening man :/. Miriel got attackedover Cherche by one of the bow knights, it was kinda hilarious. Walhart was weakened by Cherche soSumia could kill him.2 turns out of 116 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 09.30 57 24 3 28 30 27 23 24 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus GRANd 02.50 36 21 18 17 17 17 10 12 SW E TM B Miriel S Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 03.57 50 22 5 24 21 11 19 11 SW A LC A Sumia S Cynthia C Sully PAL 07.49 39 19 6 21 21 16 19 14 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelly C Lucina C Miriel SORC 09.66 50 9 27 26 20 17 17 20 TM A Jesus S Morgan C Laurent C Sumia DARKF 13.80 46 22 18 25 34 27 14 21 LC A TM C Frederick S Cynthia C Gaius ASS 05.44 35 19 3 25 28 10 11 5 SW A BW A Cherche A Nowi MANA 26.37 42 29 14 21 16 24 31 26 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 02.07 38 17 0 17 15 10 12 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCe 06.58 22 4 1 12 11 11 4 4 SW D Cherche WYLORD 02.17 68 36 10 31 30 26 36 11 LC D AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 11.60 49 18 24 27 23 20 19 20 SW E TM B Miriel B Jesus C Laurent C [spoiler=Chapter 20]Cherche Gaius went through the left side, where there's no bows. And quickly made their way toWalhart, who Cherche countered with Hand Axe then killed with Silver Axe. Miriel tanked Cervantesand a bunch of enemies in EP with nosferatu.4 turns out of 120 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 09.30 57 24 3 28 30 27 23 24 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus GRAND 03.09 37 21 18 18 17 18 10 13 SW E TM B Chrom C Miriel S Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 04.23 51 23 5 24 22 11 20 12 SW A LC A Sumia S Cynthia C Sully PAL 07.54 39 19 6 21 21 16 19 14 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelle C Lucina C Miriel SORC 12.95 53 9 30 27 21 18 19 20 TM A Jesus S Morgan B Laurent C Sumia DARKF 14.46 47 22 19 26 35 28 15 21 LC A TM C Frederick S Cynthia C Gaius ASS 06.05 36 19 3 25 29 10 12 5 SW A BW A Cherche A Nowi MANA 27.73 43 30 14 21 17 25 32 26 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 02.25 38 17 0 17 15 10 12 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCe 07.06 23 4 2 13 12 11 4 4 SW D Cherche WYLORD 03.98 69 36 10 31 30 26 36 11 LC D AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 12.14 50 18 25 28 24 21 19 20 SW E TM B Miriel B Laurent C Jesus C [spoiler=Chapter 21]Cherche received an HP tonic and a Spd Tonic. Olivia got an hp tonic anda res tonic. Olivia dances Cherche after she Pure Waters and she goes down and kills an assasin.The others blocked olivia from harm and fended off the enemies near there. Nowi is getting doubledat this point by the swordmasters and takes like 50% of her health vs berserkers, thankfully, theydont double her. Cherche is 3HKO'd by silver bows at 50 hit so I didnt let her take2 at a time. She got Quick Burn in EP 1 though. She then used an elixir in Player Phase and went down.There's a silver bow and a killer bow there. They don't 2HKO her and the other enemies can'thit her at all. The hit of the bows is now 41% too. She elixirs again in Player Phase 3 and parks in range ofboss but not in the rexcalibur dude's range. She KOs the boss in EP. Anna got me the Noble Rapier.3 turns out of 123 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 09.81 57 24 3 28 30 27 23 24 SW A LC A Sully S Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus C Jesus GRAND 03.15 37 21 18 18 17 18 10 13 SW E TM B Miriel S Chrom C Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 04.23 51 23 5 24 22 11 20 12 SW A LC A Sumia S Cynthia C Sully PAL 07.64 39 19 6 21 21 16 19 14 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelle C Lucina C Miriel SORC 13.34 54 9 30 27 21 19 19 20 TM A Jesus S Morgan B Laurent C Sumia DARKF 14.78 47 22 19 26 35 28 15 21 LC A TM C Frederick S Cynthia C Gaius ASS 06.58 36 19 3 25 29 10 12 5 SW A BW S Cherche A Nowi MANA 28.50 44 31 15 21 17 25 33 26 Gregor S Gregor BOWK 02.25 38 17 0 17 15 10 12 4 SW B BW E Nowi S Olivia DANCE 07.54 23 4 2 13 12 11 4 4 SW D Cherche WYLORD 06.13 72 39 10 34 32 27 39 12 LC D AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 12.14 50 18 25 28 24 21 19 20 SW E TM B Jesus C Miriel B Laurent C [spoiler=Chapter 22]Miriel Nostank'd Gungnir and Helswath thanks to Vengeance.Cherche got the Balmung and dropped it the convoy, Chrom retrived it and used it to getYewfelle. Sumia got the Valflame with Beastkiller and Galeforce'd to help get Helswath andgungnir. Gaius used a Silver Bow forge to take down Aversa.2 turns out of 125 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 10.41 58 25 3 28 31 28 23 24 SW A LC A Sully S Lucina C Jesus C Kjelle C Jesus GRAND 03.15 37 21 18 18 17 18 10 13 SW E TM B Miriel S Laurent C Morgan C Frederick PAL 04.64 51 23 5 24 22 11 20 12 SW A LC A Sumia S Cynthia C Sully PAL 07.70 39 19 6 21 21 16 19 14 SW C LC A Chrom S Kjelle C Lucina C Miriel SORC 14.91 55 9 31 28 21 19 19 21 TM A Jesus S Morgan B Laurent C Sumia DARKf 15.41 48 23 20 27 36 29 15 21 LC A TM C Frederick S Cynthia C Gaius ASS 07.41 37 20 3 25 30 11 12 5 SW A BW A Cherche A Olivia DANcE 07.70 23 4 2 12 12 11 4 4 SW D Cherche WYLORD 06.73 72 39 10 34 32 27 39 12 LC D AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 12.30 50 18 25 28 24 21 19 20 SW E TM B Miriel B Laurent C Jesus C [spoiler=Chapter 23]Cherche's hitrates vs stuff:0 hit vs Berserkers of all kind.0 hit vs Sorcerers with Ruin and Nosferatu.0 hit vs Thoron Sorcerers.15 hit vs Rexcalibur Sorcerers.38 hit vs Silver Bow Assasin.28 hit 4% crit vs Killer Bow Assasin.0 hit vs Generals (and some of them 0 displayed damage too)31 hit vs Validar.Needless to say, she owned the place. Even crit Validar with Helswath for a ORKO o_o.Chrom was paired with Jesus who was reclassed to thief so make him able to reachValidar turn 1. Basilio and Flavia took down 2 enemies in their spawn. Sumia FredGaleforce'd some enemies here and there. And Miriel Nostank'd everything but assasins.Tiki Say'ri took like 2 enemies in the south.Surprisingly, due to the Cherche crit on Validar, could have been a 2 turn butthe hand axe ran out of uses in EP so an enemy berserker survived.3 turns out of 128 Unit CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 10.58 58 25 3 28 31 28 23 24 SW A LC A Sully S Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus C Jesus THIEF 01.07 33 17 12 17 18 18 5 8 SW E Miriel S Chrom C Laurent C Morgan C Frederick PAL 04.84 51 23 5 24 22 11 20 12 SW A LC A Sumia S Cynthia C Miriel SORC 16.19 57 9 30 30 21 19 19 21 TM A Jesus S Morgan B Laurent C Sumia DARKF 16.48 49 23 20 28 37 30 15 21 LC A TM B Frederick S Cynthia C Gaius ASS 08.55 38 20 3 26 30 12 12 5 SW A BW A Cherche A Olivia DANCE 07.70 23 4 2 13 12 11 4 4 SW D Cherche WYLORD 09.71 75 42 11 37 34 29 41 12 LC D AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 12.55 50 18 25 28 24 21 19 20 SW E TM B Miriel B Laurent C Jesus C Tiki MANA 21.54 45 32 18 22 24 22 30 24 [spoiler=Chapter 24] Cherche obliterated everything in the boss area with Helswath. Miriel and Sumia killed enemies in the north. Chrom Flavia and Tiki took the south. 3 turns out of 131 UNIT CLASS LV.XP HP ST MA SK SP LC DE RE WEAPON SUPPORT Chrom PAL 10.85 58 25 3 28 31 28 23 24 SW A LC A Sully S Jesus C Kjelle C Lucina C Jesus THIEF 01.07 33 17 12 17 18 18 5 8 SW E Miriel S Morgan C Laurent C Frederick PAL 05.08 52 23 5 25 23 12 21 13 SW A LC A Sumia S Cynthia C Miriel SORC 16.80 57 9 30 30 21 19 19 21 TM A Jesus S Morgan B Laurent C Sumia DARKF 18.15 50 23 20 29 38 30 16 21 LC A TM B Frederick S Cynthia C Gaius ASS 09.33 39 20 3 27 31 13 12 5 SW A BW A Cherche A Olivia DANCE 07.86 23 4 2 13 12 11 4 4 SW D Cherche WYLORD 11.64 77 44 11 37 36 30 42 14 LC D AX A Gaius A Morgan BATMAN 13.10 51 19 25 28 24 22 20 20 SW E TM B Miriel B Jesus C Tiki MANA 23.11 47 33 19 23 26 24 32 25 [spoiler=Chapter 25]Cherche went up to Aversa and ORKO'd her.2 turns out of 133 [spoiler=Endgame Grima]Brave Axe forge Cherche pairs with Chrom. Sumia is danced and she kills a berserkerin the way and gets out of range with galeforce. Cherche Brave Axes Grima and Chromgets some Falchion hits in. Grima then suicides in EP.1 turn ouf of 134 Kills:Chrom SilverBattles: 169Victories: 118Quite the lead unit. I've always noticed him getting pretty nice levels and growingstrong in my runs where I use him as pure support so I decided to give him a tryas lead unit and he didn't disappoint.SullyBattles: 55Victories: 44ChromxSully is superoverhyped. If they both go Paladin, they're practically the same unit (except chromwas way better due to the cavalier reclass and early ownage). I'd rather not pair her with Chrom next time.They suck together and they make a super bad Lucina.FrederickBattles: 156Victories: 114Such a bro unit. Owned stuff in earlygame and was a pretty good unit throughout.Always had a use with Beastkillers, pocket unit duals, Silver dual strikes andeven killing a lot of enemy types outright.SumiaBattles: 109Victories: 101Was always pretty useful. Galeforce allowed her to swoop in, kill something and then retreat or go even further.Sadly, I kinda neglected her after Cherche came in because Cherche killed everything.GaiusBattles: 24Victories: 16Was a pretty nice dual unit. His powerful bow dual strikes were pretty cool and he gaveCherche str and spd that came in handy. Made her offense pretty brutal. He was also pretty easy to getto Level 10 before her jointime :D. Pretty underrated I'd say.GregorBattles: 0Victories: 0Trash/10.NowaiBattles: 100Victories: 50Started bad, got mediocre, got decent, then fell off a cliff.OliviaBattles: 1Victories: 0Dancer/10Cherche GoldBattles: 179Victories: 150My. Gooood. Cherche is a lot better than I expected. Naga tear helped her a tonand she didnt need much babying to get going. Gave her kills in morgan paralogue becauseshe was pretty capable and then she promoted and started owning everything. Heroffense was downright brutal and her durability was ridiculous. Didnt give anyfucks against bows because they're so few and far between and so avoidable. EvenChapter 21, she could handle them because they're far away from each other, andwhen there were 2, they wouldnt 2HKO and nobody else could actually hit her due toQuick Burn. Rexcalibur was a legit threat if it hit, but she never had to face any that put her life in danger.I'll only complain that since giving her the boots, every other unit practically became worsebecause she'd usually kill everything before others got there.MorganBattles: 46Victories: 38Miriel made her suck :(. Had high hopes for her because of veteran but she justrefused to get stats, and she came with crappy bases.TikiBattles: 11Victories: 6Better than Nowai/10.Miriel BronzeBattles: 153Victories: 117Was actually decently useful once she got going. But my God did she take loooongto get going. Not worth it. She should drop. She's downright painful to train earlyon and the payoff is a just worst nostank than Tharja.JesusBattles: 29Victories: 19+Lck -Mag is horrible. Edited May 9, 2013 by Peekayell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 yay Cherche~lol gregor. that made me laugh brotheryeah, i think miriel should drop too. she's a pain to raise early on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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