Leonyn Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hello, while i was playing i was not sure if "hex" and "Anathema" triggered in when having the character with the corresponding skills being used as a support and not leading character. Cna someone lighten me up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Hex and Anathema activates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Most proc skills like Lethality and Astra don't but Armshift does. (So ones that effect the damage you do or Sol don't Armshift does from proccing) All others do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I believe that any of the character's "passive" skills like Avoid +10, Hex, Anathema, Armsthrift and the like still activate if they're the back unit in a Pair-Up. The "active" attack skills don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karasz Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) ^ Actually, Armsthrift doesn't work on the unit that is supporting and not attacking, because it's a Luck skill that activates in battle (I wasted a LOT of uses on Balmung that way). I know that any skill that requires Skill or Luck to activate during battle, or any skill that activates after a battle, will not work while the unit in question is supporting another unit. This includes Sol, Luna, Astra, Vengeance, Aether, Lethality, Armsthrift, Vantage, Aegis, Pavise, Counter, Despoil, Ignis, Galeforce, Lifetaker, and Miracle, as the unit with those skills has to be attacking for them to actually work. And obviously, we know that the Rally skills won't work due to the fact that they're command-only skills. Edited May 13, 2013 by Karaszure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 ^ Actually, Armsthrift doesn't work on the unit that is supporting and not attacking, because it's a Luck skill that activates in battle (I wasted a LOT of uses on Balmung that way). I know that any skill that requires Skill or Luck to activate during battle, or any skill that activates after a battle, will not work while the unit in question is supporting another unit. This includes Sol, Luna, Astra, Vengeance, Aether, Lethality, Armsthrift, Vantage, Aegis, Pavise, Counter, Despoil, Ignis, Galeforce, Lifetaker, and Miracle, as the unit with those skills has to be attacking for them to actually work. And obviously, we know that the Rally skills won't work due to the fact that they're command-only skills. Just tested it. Armsthrift works. Donny with 48 luck made two kills and Hector's Axe went from 15 to 15 uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karasz Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 ^ I dunno, man. I've tested this on a 45 Luck Cordelia (don't have Limit Breaker Manuals yet, will fix that soon) supporting my Avatar (who coincidentally was ALSO sporting Armsthrift), and I tested the Legendary Weapons on both of them: Mystletainn on Avatar (Level 20 Trickster), and Balmung on Cordelia (Level 20 Hero). Avatar would always be in front, and whenever he failed to kill something, Cordelia picked up the slack. Every single time, she lost uses for Balmung, whereas Avatar never lost any uses on Mystletainn at all. I also tested the reverse, with Cordelia attacking and Avatar supporting. Cordelia never lost any uses on Balmung, but Avatar lost uses on Mystletainn ...and I mean A LOT of uses, as he constantly picked up her slack. I've even tested this on regular weapons, too. Levin Sword, Steel Sword, Glass Sword, Superior Sword, hell, I even tested a Tree Branch. No such luck, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 ^ Stop spreading misinformation. Armsthrift definitely works on the Support unit. I just re-verified this with a 47 LCK Sniper using a Longbow in the Support slot: 13 uses before Dual Strike, 13 uses after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paladin21 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I use Donny with his forged Glass Bow with Armsthrift and All Stats+2 and it doesn't seem to break neither on the front or on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) I have my 55 luck limit broken MU support a bunch of people I want to train up/do support library completion shit while carrying my only Helswath and Gradivus. Both of them still has the same exact amount of uses as when I gave them to her. P sure support partners don't get stat bonuses unless rallies so you've just been getting that unlucky 10%'d, I'm afraid. Edited May 14, 2013 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I can offer more corroborating testimony to confirm that Armsthrift does indeed work for both units. 'Cause I have a team of Limit Broken Heroes with >50 Lck running around with Ragnells and Helswaths, paired up with each other, and all are still at 25 uses after beating R&R3 a couple dozen times. And my Avatar has been running around with a 3 use Book of Naga for a long time, and he has occasionally supported Lucina with Dual Strikes, and it's still not broken. However, using a Gradivus/Hauteclere to heal definitely uses a use, as does using a staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnel Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 ^ Stop spreading misinformation. Armsthrift definitely works on the Support unit. I just re-verified this with a 47 LCK Sniper using a Longbow in the Support slot: 13 uses before Dual Strike, 13 uses after. Yeah, Armsthrift works for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veetasoy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Has anyone managed to figure out whether Wrath works as support? I asked this a long time ago but never got a definite answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnel Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Has anyone managed to figure out whether Wrath works as support? I asked this a long time ago but never got a definite answer. I never really test it out myself, but I remember seeing someone posted as it works even as a support, as long as the requirement of 50% health fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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