Skill Vs. Skill thread rounds 10-14

[Shadow Mir]

Ow, this is tough...

[Folt]

Very tough.

I went for Resistance +10, but this can go any way.

[Henry]

Uh. Well, Resistance +10 doesn't reduce the chance of being killed by a Sage with Lethality, i'm going Tomebreaker.

[Shadow Mir]

Very tough.

I went for Resistance +10, but this can go any way.

Have to agree this can go either way...

[Airship Canon]

Now this is a tough call.

The catch is what is the scenario.

Res+10 is abhorrently powerful- it complete negates the base MT of a Forged Celica's gale, and is outright stupidly powerful in Streetpass (As placed right, it can push a unit's RES to above 70)

Tomebreaker is also a go-to skill in Streetpass as it bestows that oh-so-necessary +50 Hit. (And yes, I would, and do use them together.)

In game, it's another hard call, as +10 Res is exactly that. However, when used by the player, Tomebreaker's 50 AVO is some serious Avoidance.

I really don't know what to go with.

I... know. I'm going with Res+10. Hawkeye is a thing. Sure, so is Luna+, but Luna+ vs Res+10, Res+10 still provides 5 Res; whereas Hawkeye makes Tomebreaker's effect nil.

[shadykid]

Uh. Well, Resistance +10 doesn't reduce the chance of being killed by a Sage with Lethality, i'm going Tomebreaker.

nobody has this though

[Airship Canon]

nobody has this though

Streetpass battles exist.

I went with Lunatic+ to make my call, that call is just as fair, and I almost voted that exact same way, but then I realized, I'm playing Lunatic+ right now.

You know what, now that I think about it...

Res+10 means absolute nothing if Hawkeye ain't getting involved with Tomebreaker as an option...

There's more enemies with Tomes without Hawkeye, than Enemies with tomes AND Hawkeye.

And there's still Streetpass battles.

*revotes*

Edited June 9, 2013 by Airship Canon

[shadykid]

Streetpass battles exist.

I went with Lunatic+ to make my call, that call is just as fair, and I almost voted that exact same way, but then I realized, I'm playing Lunatic+ right now.

as you well know, streetpass teams are ridiculously easy to trivialize

[The Fush]

Tomebreaker stops dark tomes, instasold

Instantly does what 10 res couldn't hope to achieve

Also LB would technically up your res by 10 anyway

Edited June 9, 2013 by The Fush

[shadykid]

Tomebreaker stops dark tomes, instasold

Instantly does what 10 res couldn't hope to achieve

Also LB would technically up your res by 10 anyway

LB and Res +10 gives +20 res?

[Airship Canon]

Tomebreaker stops dark tomes, instasold

Instantly does what 10 res couldn't hope to achieve

Also LB would technically up your res by 10 anyway

LB + RES+10 = RES+20 (Which, like I said, can push a unit's Res to over 70)

In Streetpass, you arguably want to use both: Tomes are the most common weapons.

In Game: Check for Hawkeye. If Hawkeye, then Res+10 laughs at Tomebreaker. If no Hawkeye, then Tomebreaker is a lot better. Both do the job of reducing magic damage to nil.

So in reality, it's what difficulty:

If Anything Not Called "Lunatic+": Tomebreaker is better.

If Lunatic+: Res+10 is better.

..Random thing: Levin Swords and Bolt Axes exist. Res+10 negates their damage too.

[shadykid]

^also Shocksticks, which for some reason exist in Apotheosis

[The Fush]

The chances of being in Lunatic+ compared to the chances of being in any other mode is like comparing the chance of being struck by lightning to the chance of going to school on a school day when you're the top-honour student with 100% punctuation

what the hell is with my analogies

LB and Res +10 gives +20 res?

Waste 2 skill slots for that, why don't you :S

Edited June 9, 2013 by The Fush

[shadykid]

The chances of being in Lunatic+ compared to the chances of being in any other mode is like comparing the chance of being struck by lightning to the chance of going to school on a school day when you're the top-honour student with 100% punctuation

what the hell is with my analogies

makes sense, you have Henry in your member tag

Waste 2 skill slots for that, why don't you :S

waste 2 slots on LB+Tomebreaker, why don't you :S

(btw everyone has Limit Breaker, definitely not a "waste")

Edited June 9, 2013 by shadykid

[Airship Canon]

Waste 2 skill slots for that, why don't you :S

Limit Breaker is just... assumed for everything at all times. The catch, is what's better afterwards?

BTW: I feel kinda bad for whatever gets put up against Limit Breaker. About the only skill that could possibly be doing that is Galeforce, but if you've seen the LB vs Galeforce topic...

Edited June 9, 2013 by Airship Canon

[The Fush]

Limit Breaker is just... assumed for everything at all times. The catch, is what's better afterwards?

BTW: I feel kinda bad for whatever gets put up against Limit Breaker. About the only skill that could possibly be doing that is Galeforce, but if you've seen the LB vs Galeforce topic...

Which is exactly the point I'm trying to make. With LB, there are certain skills that become slightly more obsolete.

[shadykid]

Which is exactly the point I'm trying to make. With LB, there are certain skills that become slightly more obsolete.

....no?

that's not how it works, Resistance +10 cuts magic damage by 10 more on top of it

tempted to vote neither, defense doesn't matter

Edited June 9, 2013 by shadykid

[The Fush]

....no?

that's not how it works, Resistance +10 cuts magic damage by 10 more on top of it

tempted to vote neither, defense doesn't matter

And there are plenty of skills that can do the job of dealing with magic damage and several more.

Res +10 exists purely for the purpose of cockblocking magic damage, and absolutely nothing else, compared to other valuable skills that multitask.

although I will admit that Res +10 works great before/without LB

Edited June 9, 2013 by The Fush

[Airship Canon]

Which is exactly the point I'm trying to make. With LB, there are certain skills that become slightly more obsolete.

Yeah, no.

[Djing]

Tomebreaker helps you nosferatank enemy sorcerers with it.

Res +10 patches up your poor res at worst and completely neuters enemy magic damage at best.

Res +10 is restricted to male characters, but they arguably need the skill the most.

Tomebreaker is given to anyone with sorc, but dark mage is poorly distributed. (Many units like Libra and Miriel have fine res anyways)

Voted for Tomebreaker since it has offensive and defensive purposes. Nothing sucks more than getting screwed by the rng when fighting a mage.

[shadykid]

Res +10 exists purely for the purpose of cockblocking magic damage, and absolutely nothing else, compared to other valuable skills that multitask.

and you voted for Tomebreaker, whose sole purpose is cockblocking magic damage from tomes

nope, nothing faulty about this logic at all

[Shadow Mir]

Limit Breaker is just... assumed for everything at all times. The catch, is what's better afterwards?

BTW: I feel kinda bad for whatever gets put up against Limit Breaker. About the only skill that could possibly be doing that is Galeforce, but if you've seen the LB vs Galeforce topic...

Honestly, I'd say that some skills just aren't fit for these polls, and Limit Breaker is one of those.

[The Fush]

and you voted for Tomebreaker, whose sole purpose is cockblocking magic damage from tomes

nope, nothing faulty about this logic at all

Most magic attacks tend to do more than 10 damage to you to begin with, since the enemies always target low res enemies. Dodging the tome attack would be far better than taking 10 less damage from it, and would stop Mire from mauling your res weak enemies more than Res +10 would.

Also, I notice you tend to object to me in everything I say in this forum section :I

[shadykid]

Most magic attacks tend to do more than 10 damage to you to begin with, since the enemies always target low res enemies. Dodging the tome attack would be far better than taking 10 less damage from it, and would stop Mire from mauling your res weak enemies more than Res +10 would.

Also, I notice you tend to object to me in everything I say in this forum section :I

Hawkeye exists

but more importantly, you're not bearclaw

[The Fush]

Hawkeye exists

but more importantly, you're not bearclaw

First of all, I don't know what bearclaw's job is

Second of all, most people don't play Lunatic+, compared to the other 3 more commonly played modes. At best, most can only stand against Lunatic. Your logic is as flawed as mine.

Edited June 9, 2013 by The Fush