The Envoy of the Beginning Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 There are no "necessary evils." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Devil Trigger Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 fads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 It's still a copout. Saying something is "evil" but "necessary" is simply stating you're powerless to change something you dislike. It's simply stating that people as a whole are not. It isn't a copout so much as a grim acceptance of observable fact. Do you think everyone would obey rules if there were no governing body to enforce them here? And yet is it not accepted that a governing body by its nature limits freedom? We must accept that creating a good world is not itself built upon solely good acts. Many are questionable and others are certainly bad, yet we must necessarily sustain them. Tanks, planes, missiles, and mines are all tools of destruction. They can't build, only destroy. Even so, all modern nations make and use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djeets Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bane is necessary evil.I was totally going to make this joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 It's simply stating that people as a whole are not. It isn't a copout so much as a grim acceptance of observable fact. Do you think everyone would obey rules if there were no governing body to enforce them here? And yet is it not accepted that a governing body by its nature limits freedom? We must accept that creating a good world is not itself built upon solely good acts. Many are questionable and others are certainly bad, yet we must necessarily sustain them. Tanks, planes, missiles, and mines are all tools of destruction. They can't build, only destroy. Even so, all modern nations make and use them. Shifting blame? "The world is not ready for my ideas" instead of "I'm unable to use my ideas to change the world"? It's true that government, by definition, limits freedom - it exists for that purpose (people are naturally free to plunder and kill, after all). Is freedom "good", though? Some say it's "evil". Or even that it's a curse. Defining freedom is an ideological choice. As is defining "evil". And as is defining "necessary". And of course, as is defining them all as relative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahrivar Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Fuck yer big fancy ideological answers Deadlines man I ain't getting shit done without them but they make me so stressed hng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizenberg Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bane is necessary evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interest Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 Fuck yer big fancy ideological answers Deadlines man I ain't getting shit done without them but they make me so stressed hng It's kind of a stone's throw away, but I'm surprised no one's mentioned academic-related stuff considering you mentioned deadlines ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 There are no necessary evils. Just evils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) There are no necessary evils. Just evils. I think we all agreed some questions ago that pain is a necessary evil. so yeah, pain Edited December 4, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 children are necessary for us to continue to live and are evil for a variable length of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I think we all agreed some questions ago that pain is a necessary evil. so yeah, pain How is pain evil Pain has no conscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Shifting blame? "The world is not ready for my ideas" instead of "I'm unable to use my ideas to change the world"? It's true that government, by definition, limits freedom - it exists for that purpose (people are naturally free to plunder and kill, after all). Is freedom "good", though? Some say it's "evil". Or even that it's a curse. Defining freedom is an ideological choice. As is defining "evil". And as is defining "necessary". And of course, as is defining them all as relative. No one ever said that evil is not subjectively defined; indeed my entire point is that we as a society accept things that we don't like to reach what we find a collectively better world. You won't find any two people that completely agree on everything, and even basic matters of morality are no different. While we recognize that freedom is good, we also recognize that pure freedom in the wrong hands can be evil, and so we let people govern us. While we realize that blowing up people is not good, we also realize that being blown up is also not good, and thus arm ourselves so as to ward off those that would do us harm. And so on and so forth. History is filled --and always will be-- with compromise. That is what "necessary evil" is, by its nature. Edited December 4, 2013 by Esau of Isaac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) How is pain evil Pain has no conscience When people talk about "necessary evils" they aren't necessarily talking about conscious beings money isn't a conscious being, yet interest used it as an example of necessary evil, for instance. Edited December 4, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Evil is totally subjective and as such I don't even know how to answer this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Evil is totally subjective and as such I don't even know how to answer this. I see the true face of evil every time I look at your avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 That's subjective Nicki Minaj is a beaut to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Either that or I'm hypnotized I've yet to know for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 WELL SHE SURE LOOKS KINDA LIKE HYPNOTOAD AMIRITE GUYS FIST BUMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 bitch i will hypnotize u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Wait shit that's proving my point fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 wrecked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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