Anacybele Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) Truth be told, bonds of friendship can really make a difference. I would certainly think I'd do better in a competition if I had a bunch of friends cheering me on than I would if I was all by myself with no support. Edited July 29, 2013 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 And has a thread ever been made about the choice in Awakening's ending. Seems like a heavily opinionated topic. Personally I would have preferred the three possibility ending with the Avatar living due to having something like 12+ Supports. Naga does say the friendship was necessary. Let's see some gameplay effecting it there. Haven't seen one here. I've made a couple on GameFAQs though. I do disagree with the "having tons of supports" unless it's "All possible supports" (Save for S-ranks) (counting all characters. Anyone dead or Unrecruited locks you out) at the very least as "Not even a thousand human friendships could break the Dragon's Grasp". (Like I said, I'd much rather just leave the ending, and MU's survival to the choice. 1 casualty for absolutely guaranteeing the safety of the world? Or do you place faith in uncertainty and leave the battle with no losses?) Eh, such a topic is probably going to wind up as "Me vs. Everyone else" though, as I follow OVA!(not Game!)Lloyd Irving's absolutely beautiful example. (You can always seek a third option if you're alive, but if you're dead, you're dead. That's just it.) Because the bad guys don't have the power of friendship (seriously that's the reason). Wasn't that what was used for why enemies don't have Pair Up according to the Devs? (wow derails... umm... something related,) I believe Laurent was being quite serious on Chrom's ending (Mu/Miriel)... hell I think he's got those plans/his research ready regardless of who MU is married too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lkK1RK_sua4&t=160 2:42 Edited July 31, 2013 by Enkidu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhyonnaes Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Good find. Seems like this meshes with the theory that Walhart has been raised from the dead, but is too determined to lose his own free will. Though it's somewhat vague, and could easily be interpreted differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I think it completely demolishes the other point which says Walhart has indeed died and is a risen. Besides, how much of a reliable source were the translators? And does it really take priority in the actual localized version? Walhart "I, too, felt dead when my current comrades ended my cause But I did not wallow in that defeat. I found a new path. I could have been like you, but I am not. If I die, it will be not be standing still!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 I think it completely demolishes the other point which says Walhart has indeed died and is a risen. Besides, how much of a reliable source were the translators? And does it really take priority in the actual localized version? Walhart "I could have been like you, but I am not." He's talking to some significant, but still free-will lacking Risen with that line. That makes it more aligned with "He's Undead, but powerful enough to retain his free will entirely". He's like a Knight of the Ebon Blade (Playable DK) in WoW. I'm kinda wanting to ask Rey on the reliability of that translation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 That's not a bad point, you know. But I still disagree- By "I could have been like you" could've easily referred to being dead. Not to mention, you seemed to have disreguarded the last part "If I die, it will be not be standing still!"", meaning he has yet to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquakat Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 That's not a bad point, you know. But I still disagree- By "I could have been like you" could've easily referred to being dead. Not to mention, you seemed to have disreguarded the last part "If I die, it will be not be standing still!"", meaning he has yet to die. Don't forget the "I FELT dead" part too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 So was Walhart hanging around in a graveyard just because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I never really knew it was a graveyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquakat Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 So was Walhart hanging around in a graveyard just because? Wasn't it just a plain in the rain infested with Risen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I thought it was some sort of wasteland myself, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Wasn't it just a plain in the rain infested with Risen? Aren't there "tomb" tiles on that map? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquakat Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Aren't there "tomb" tiles on that map? Is anyone close enough to check? I honestly can't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Yes, there are tomb tiles. Risen reinforcements RISE FROM THEIR GRAVE to attack you after a certain amount of turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Is anyone close enough to check? I honestly can't remember. Yep. And they mark the enemy spawn locations. Conqueror's Whetstone is very much a graveyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Well, judging from these new found discoveries, is it safe to say that instead of Walhart actually being dead, he was more so, "metaphorically" on Death's Row, meaning that he wasn't dead...... yet? He just happened to be in a graveyard where the dead are now turned Risen, and even though he said his heart stopped, by some miracle, he still lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquakat Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Well, judging from these new found discoveries, is it safe to say that instead of Walhart actually being dead, he was more so, "metaphorically" on Death's Row, meaning that he wasn't dead...... yet? He just happened to be in a graveyard where the dead are now turned Risen, and even though he said his heart stopped, by some miracle, he still lives? ...Why is it that the statement must be taken as literal? Isn't it supposed to be a hyperbole (or whatever the literary term is supposed to be)? Has there been a japanese translation of it? Maybe that'll help things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Never meant to take it literally, I'm just rolling with everyone else here. Personally, I don't really have an opinion, but I like to discuss possibilities Edited August 1, 2013 by Hero-King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) This no longer applies since I've dropped it, but I used to have a headcanon so here it goes: I used to think that Nowi was related to either Gotoh or Xane, or both. This is because in MotE, in Ch13 of Book 2, Xane mentioned that after the war between the Divine and Earth Dragons, the only Divine Dragons that survived were Naga, Gotoh, Xane, and Tiki. So with Naga dying after and Tiki being too young, not to mention that Awakening made it clear she still had no offspring, that for Nowi to be a full-blooded Divine Dragon, she had to be related to either or both of them. The reason why I dropped it is because after going through New Mystery's script, I found that the lines specifically mentioning the Divine Dragon survivors was dropped entirely, retconning that the Divine Dragons almost died out in that war. So yeah, this could now mean Nowi could just be the daughter of random Divine Dragons. Well, it was an interesting chain of thought while it lasted... Edited August 1, 2013 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 ...Why is it that the statement must be taken as literal? Isn't it supposed to be a hyperbole (or whatever the literary term is supposed to be)? Has there been a japanese translation of it? Maybe that'll help things? There is a Japanese translation. http://fe-according-to-japan.tumblr.com/post/54683505191/spoilers-up-to-the-spotpass-chapters Says that his "Heart of flesh" stopped, which can mean nothing really but exactly what it says on the tin, I.E. he dead. (One should ask Rey to confirm if it's accurate, but that page does have the Japanese right there, and otherwise, is quite credible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhyonnaes Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 That's not a bad point, you know. But I still disagree- By "I could have been like you" could've easily referred to being dead. Not to mention, you seemed to have disreguarded the last part "If I die, it will be not be standing still!"", meaning he has yet to die. Well, from his perspective, of course he wouldn't say he is dead. As far as Walhart is concerned, here is probably the sequence of events... 1: "Killed" by Chrom and co. 2: Wakes up some time later, refusing to die. He determines that he has recently felt dead, but obviously is not dead. 3: Realizes that his heart is no longer beating, or something to that effect. Gets an idea of what happened to him. 4: Sees some Risen, and realizes that somehow he can now get them to follow him. 5: Defeated once again by Chrom and Co. I think that Walhart knows that he has physically been revived by risen-y magic. But he doesn't consider himself to be dead, as he is in full control of his mind and body. He recognizes that he could have been like a risen, but his final line makes reference to the key difference - he is simply too stubborn to lay down and accept death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquakat Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Has someone come up with an explanation of how a dead person can procreate? That isn't logic-baffling like Twlight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 He's mating with the avatar of an evil demon dragon god. Zombies just work in that scenario. As do dragons and rabbits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Has someone come up with an explanation of how a dead person can procreate? That isn't logic-baffling like Twlight? ..The same way a normal person does? If the rest of their body is working, why would an undead's junk not be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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