Knife Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 WTF is this? Gamefreak, you just love to create broken Pokemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuuda Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Care to add a bit more substance to this OP? I'm thinking this is best merged with another topic. Edited October 25, 2013 by Shuuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) It's not that broken. It's actually pretty easy to kill. Might not even become OU. Edited October 25, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 It's not that broken. It's actually pretty easy to kill. Might not even become OU. lol what but yeah, Greninja's too frail to actually be broken wait for Mega Arceus with Protean, now that's gonna tear shit up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregosa Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The ability can backfire cause you change types and therefore inherit different weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondworld Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The ability can backfire cause you change types and therefore inherit different weaknesses. Unless the opponent predicts what move you'll use(which may or may not be difficult depending on how large Greninja's movepool is), this isn't much of a problem since you can change types immediately with Greninja's high speed. But Greninja is still pretty frail regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Too frail. Barely hits harder than Starmie. Go talk about Blaziken if you want a broken Starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Too frail. Barely hits harder than Starmie. BS, Greninja gets STAB on everything and has a slightly higher special attack and MUCH higher attack Edited October 25, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes, greninja definitely hits harder than starmie. I think starmie might have better coverage with thunderbolt, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Greninja: Energy Ball Night Slash Scald Surf Hydro Pump (I assume) Ice Beam Extrasensory Bounce Rock slide U-turn Damn better than T-Bolt. Edited October 26, 2013 by Knife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) 4 slots syndrome... Thunderbolt Surf/hidro pump Ice beam Rapid Spin/ Recover works better than whichever 4 moves greninja picks, i guess. Also, in order to use some of those moves simultaneously, you have to run a mixed set, which might hurt his overall offense. Edited October 26, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Eh, Starmie doesn't tend to go Psychic, since water STAB and boltbeam suffices. Generally Rapid Spin or Recover round it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Eh, Starmie doesn't tend to go Psychic, since water STAB and boltbeam suffices. Generally Rapid Spin or Recover round it out. ok, changed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Analytic Starmie hits very hard against switch ins, but yes it was wrong to compare Starmie and Greninja. Its still not op though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 U-Turning into something more helpful should be pretty good with that kind of speed. Is it confirmed if his type resets when he goes back into his Pokéball or is he going to remain with the last type he had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 U-Turning into something more helpful should be pretty good with that kind of speed. Is it confirmed if his type resets when he goes back into his Pokéball or is he going to remain with the last type he had? Its type resets to water/dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofholsety Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 overpowered? no, probably not fun as hell to use? oh definitely. i've got a very good feeling about the mind games i could potentially play with a Protean Greninja, especially now i've seen in-game that Protean takes effect BEFORE the move does its thing. not sure whether that absolutely definitely means instant STAB, but i can dream right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 can you even get Hidden Power Fairy? the mindgames would be hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofholsety Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) as i understand it, yes: they've redone the Hidden Power formula to both cut out base power determination and include Fairy i was mostly thinking Toxic for both the obvious utility and to give it Fairy, Grass, Bug AND Fighting resists, and Spikes for an Electric resist. doesn't leave much room for a decent offensive spread (i don't think it gets Earthquake), but oh well obviously with its frailty, sprouting resists isn't exactly going to make it 100% invincible, but idk i still find the idea amusing and it could be helpful in a pinch Edited October 26, 2013 by bookofholsety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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