a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 The one that reduces ground weakness might have some use assuming it comes with something to majorly damage ground types. Yeah it has poison weakness too but I doubt people actually care enough to realize its Fairy typing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) The one that reduces ground weakness might have some use assuming it comes with something to majorly damage ground types. Yeah it has poison weakness too but I doubt people actually care enough to realize its Fairy typing. ....it probably dies to an Earthquake anyway, I'd bet Well it doesnt matter how "bad" Dedenne is because the rest of my team is VERY good and strong, so i can use at least 1 "non-competitive" pokemon. And i was looking for the weakness reduction and pinch berries, but idk where their locations are. ....that's not how it works Edited November 7, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) That is never how it works because 1 Team Slot is the difference from winning and losing That being said Dedenne is fairly decent for a shitty mon because AT LEAST the damn thing can learn Volt Switch EDIT: See Movepool -> ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME Edited November 7, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxSpes Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) ....it probably dies to an Earthquake anyway, I'd bet ....that's not how it works Just ran some calc. A offensively invested dedenne + shuca berry has 62.5% to be 1HKO by a jolly Garchomp. Becomes 100% after Stealth rock or if Garchom uses a sword dance or has Choice Band/life orb. Only a max HP, max Def Dedene + shuca berry is going to survive a Earthquake(or you can have a mega garchomp that sword dance and one shot it with EQ after Stealth rock). As a comparison, even a max Attack Dedenne can't 2HKO a garchomp with Play Rough. If he all its investment in defense to survive it, he even has chance to fail to 3HKO a non-invested Garchomp. As for 'it's ok to have 1 non-comp cause the rest if the team is strong', well you basically start 1 pokemon short when facing someone with 6 great pokemon. You may win some battle because of better strategy, but being 5v6 will detriment you in the long run. That is never how it works because 1 Team Slot is the difference from winning and losing That being said Dedenne is fairly decent for a shitty mon because AT LEAST the damn thing can learn Volt Switch EDIT: See Movepool -> ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME What's the matter with the movepool? Edited November 7, 2013 by LuxSpes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Thats also not how it works. Dedenne in a team is not a 5 vs 6, its still 6 vs 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 in all fairness dedenne would likely use HP ice on garhomp just because if it ever would be used in OU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 The damn thing did not even learn Dazzling Gleam lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Check out Dedenne in this battle i just had earlier :) ESBG-WWWW-WWW2-K2CZ Amazing! Edited November 7, 2013 by AssassinSevera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) The damn thing did not even learn Dazzling Gleam lol using dat shitty 58 base attack for it's only fairy attack Check out Dedenne in this battle i just had earlier :) ESBG-WWWW-WWW2-K2CZ Amazing! stahp, it's even worse than NeoGAF trying to hype up shitty Pokemon like Carbink Edited November 7, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Carbink is actually good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Carbink is actually good in lower tiers and apparently in ubers as a gimmick, but lolubers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 Dedenne isnt bad, it is good. Did you even watch the video? To me, any pokemon that gets rid of at least 1-2 pokemon is decent, because it isnt a waste of a slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Its easy to make almost anything take out 2 pokemon I swept an OU team with several broken pokemon before with Drudiggon. That does not make it any good Edited November 7, 2013 by Eradicator Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Its easy to make almost anything take out 2 pokemon I swept an OU team with several broken pokemon before with Drudiggon. That does not make it any good Who cares, Dedenne is good. One thing is, Parabolic charge isnt as good as i thought it was. What should I replace it with, or should i just keep it? My moveset is Swagger, Volt Switch, Parabolic Charge, and Grass Knot. EDIT: its HP is dragon Edited November 7, 2013 by AssassinSevera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxSpes Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) in all fairness dedenne would likely use HP ice on garhomp just because if it ever would be used in OU Didn't think about that. Though even when considering the higher SpA, the lower base power and absence of stab makes it pretty bad in terms of power. As for another move, Dedenne's movepool is so limited... Edited November 7, 2013 by LuxSpes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I can make Pikachu sweep an entire team if I set it up on a scrub that doesn't make Pikachu good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Just let the guy live in his own fantasy world where he thinks Dedenne is good, I don't anybody is going to change his mind. in all fairness dedenne would likely use HP ice on garhomp just because if it ever would be used in OU If Garchomp with Yache Berry could shrug off an Ice Beam from Starmie, it could take a nerfed Hidden Power from Dedenne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 Just let the guy live in his own fantasy world where he thinks Dedenne is good, I don't anybody is going to change his mind. If Garchomp with Yache Berry could shrug off an Ice Beam from Starmie, it could take a nerfed Hidden Power from Dedenne. .................. So why don't you battle me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 .................. So why don't you battle me? I want to battle your killer dedenne hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 ...after my recent epiphany about how power items work, I don't think I have the right to judge anyone's pokemon... http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=43741&p=2736985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 ...after my recent epiphany about how power items work, I don't think I have the right to judge anyone's pokemon... http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=43741&p=2736985 LOL btw apparently gems only offer a 30% boost, on top of only Normal gems existing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy_Dingo Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 .................. So why don't you battle me? It's a nerd-off everybody. Winner should post the VR vid (however that works, haven't fiddled with it much). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Check out Dedenne in this battle i just had earlier :) ESBG-WWWW-WWW2-K2CZ Amazing! this is like the equivalent of beating a 4-year-old up and proclaiming how strong you are if you win the junior olympics, you're still no match for usain bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) this is like the equivalent of beating a 4-year-old up and proclaiming how strong you are if you win the junior olympics, you're still no match for usain bolt ouch (btw can you view videos without registering the game sync thing) Edited November 7, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssassinSevera Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 this is like the equivalent of beating a 4-year-old up and proclaiming how strong you are if you win the junior olympics, you're still no match for usain bolt I think i'm gonna need to use a burn heal, lol Dedenne is still good imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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