Rebecca Has Multiple Personality Disorder

[TheWill]

So today, I think we should discuss the most overlooked topic in the entire game and that is Rebecca's total mess of a character. Lots of people ignore Rebecca's character as she's a competent unit and that's more than enough reason for using her, but what about her as a character? Now, you may say 'Fire Emblem doesn't have strong characters!' and that may very well be true, however! Rebecca is a very, very rare case of character where I personally believe the writers didn't know what they were doing with her.

With this all said, let's go into this...

At the chapter she was introduced, she seems like an eager girl, ready to fight a war based on a favour she owes Eliwood's campaign for helping her village. Her plot is defined here as well, a young girl looking for her missing brother.

So let's go into where the problem therein lies...

Let's start with her support conversation with Wil. Wil's a generally nice guy, someone who grew up with her as well. So with this conversation, we can see her unafraid to be rude, inconsiderate and someone who generally holds a grudge over something that is not entirely that persons fault. It's obvious she was lonely after both Wil and Dan left the village, and is angry over such events. That's fine and all, but she didn't seem apologetic for how she treated him before at all, which brings us to her conversation with Dart.

She finally finds her brother and is afraid of him. She here feels she offended him for being scared and proceeds to apologize. Given it is her brother, so there is leeway. In both of these conversations, she's affected by the disappearance of her brother, so there's some consistency! Then comes the horrid support conversation that is with Lowen...

Her support conversation with Lowen is obviously meant to be gaggy, but you can see here she shows signs of delusions, finding Lowen to be a gallant white knight, riding a beautiful white stallion. Both of which, are of course untrue. The former especially, Lowen's damn ugly. Confidence issues, maybe? Her delusions for Lowen are also strange, considering in every other support, she shows no signs of being delusional when lovestruck.

Another 'love' based support is the one she has with Sain. Here, she acts as if she is someone with standards, being mature about Sain's love conundrums, accepting him for who he is.

What about Raven? Again, new traits appear. She's a clumsy girl who can't look after herself. Something consistent here though is her cooking, interesting to note.

Nino? A girl eager to talk to someone her age and her desires to be friends with her. Yet more proof that Rebecca is lonely.

Louise? Rebecca respect Louise and mentions that it's nice to see another archer around here, despite there being Wil, who was there for a much longer time than Louise. Why would Rebecca say this to Louise and not Wil? Simple, she has multiple personalities that appear depending on who she talks to.

The conclusion? Rebecca is suffering from a case of dissociative identity disorder. This had probably came up as a result of being abandoned by Wil and Dan, putting her in an environment where she is alone and likely developed other personalities to keep herself company. In her support conversation with Lowen, you can see how serious her mental issues are, showing signs of having delusions, as well as being colour blind.

So with all this, what's the moral of the story? Don't be a fool! Rebecca shouldn't be in the middle of a war. The people who support using her over Wil or Louise are absolutely disgusting, as Rebecca clearly has mental issues that shouldn't allow her to partake in battle. Please have a soul and bench her with Serra, so she can get proper treatement.

[Vapo]

is this making up for there not being an episode of game theory in over 2 weeks

[Magical Glace]

I think the green haired archer gal is obligated to post here...

...But, like you said, she's competent enough as a unit so long as her Str cooperates by the gods never again... I personally am very fond of her, and idolizing one person over others is... completely ordinary. She'd actually be creepier to most if she idolized in every support, as in, you just got her to A Wil and she's acting how she does to Lowen to Wil, then you get the Lowen C and suddenly she seems to be cheating. In her present Sain/Wil supports, she doesn't seem nearly as attracted to them as she does with Lowen. As for worshipping Louise, I'd tie that to 'female archer', over 'general archer'.

[Lord of Gabriel Knight]

I agree with Slippy, in the sense that Rebecca seems to be multiple things all at once. I've read her supports, and she's one thing here, one thing there, another there. She's a mess, and it's probably because the writers didn't really work on making her consistent. She's not even consistent in supports with the same person!

In Wil's C support, he's like 'Are you Rebecca?' and she's like 'I don't know who you are.' Yet in their B support, she's bitching at him and admits that she lied in their C support for no reason.

In Sain's C and B support, she's disgusted at his womanizing ways. And then in the A support, she decides to date him, despite knowing he's just a lecherous fool. And then acts surprised when he flakes.

I think Rebecca is a badly written character.

[PuffPuff]

Rebecca is indeed an interesting character. She shows some folks that she can't cook. Sain, Nino and Raven for example that she does. Everyone else not mentioned that they do she doesn't mention it.

Rebecca is pretending that she doesn't know Wil. She doesn't want to be flat out embarrassed by him saying that he loves her especially when they were friends since they were children. Rebecca shows Lowen what she does because she know that he is lonely like her. Kind girl. Rebecca made Sain crack about his cheating with women and left him in her B support so she can get him to come clean. But...Sain is found to be a 100% lecherous cheat. C'mon Sain. Girls aren't stupid. x.x

She only showed her little girl attitude towards Dart because she looked like her brother in a dream. Dart only forgot her for ship wreckage. Either way, this one really gets to you. Regal status is why Rebecca behaves like a proper lady. Why she tells Raven about her life that she doesn't much with Louise, I suppose it's because of Raven being covered in his hermit shell and it's gentle attitude Rebecca to the rescue. She only acts like a child to him to break his tough shell and to suck up to her.

Basically, her Psychology works like this...

She acts different around people by their appearance because of her own fear of getting hated after making a mistake. ...Nino is the only other character that she opens herself to hide this from everyone else. She is in fear of getting hated. That is why that she must.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder

Just as I thought. Identity is what gets her to have amnesia and to act like what she does around the said individual. I doubt that therapy will ever help her case since her brother left her and the home. The cause of him leaving, that I don't know. Rebecca fighting is indeed a shock when she is mentally ill. But...I guess with the search for her brother is what moves her forward as she does in combat. Now we know why her Str isn't much. Because she feared of being hated after her brother left her and she never did once do any training that involved training your muscles as she only hunted and cooked before going to war. Rebecca is interesting to talk about, but I'll end it here as I have said the main details about her already.

[FrostyFireMage]

She also gushes over Raven and Lowen in their supports yet calls a Sain a pervert in their support. Hypocrite much?

[Shin]

The above post is... I guess one way to look at it. I don't actually think it's a valid theory at all, but hurrah for opinions! Considering that she has different dynamics with all her supports, the change in tone generally makes sense.

- Wil's a childhood friend who peeved her off massively, so her responses seem genuine.

- Rebecca's a village girl who probably saw a dutiful knight such as Lowen rather impressive, especially after seeing how dedicated he is.

- Sain is a stark contrast, a knight who's known to be a scoundrel. Eventually she sees he's somewhat genuine, but his ways are fairly consistent.

- Dart's her coming to terms that he might be her brother, but doesn't remember anything.

- Louise is mostly her telling a story to Rebecca. Rebecca seems to like the fanciful nature of knights and nobility.

- Raven is a little background about what she does, and links to how she misses Dart.

- Nino is her being glad to have someone her age to talk to. Being friends with Bartre and Dorcas doesn't sound very easy!

It all seems to fit together as a fairly rounded image. Unlike some of the FE13 cast, she's fairly fleshed out. However, she still kinda blows as a unit!

[ZemZem]

How dare she have base defense!

Anyway, for the most part, I agree with all of Shin's post. It's been a while since I looked at her supports (I did indeed unlike all of them, haha yes), but the possibility of her having MPD is interesting, but I doubt it's true. She's still a well-portrayed character, though.

[Nobody]

Since when is Rebecca a competent unit?

Also, I don't see Rebecca idealizing Lowen as anything special. He saved her life, how did you expect she'd react? It's more than love, he's quite literally her hero.

Edited April 17, 2014 by Nobody

[TheWill]

is this making up for there not being an episode of game theory in over 2 weeks

Next time on Serenes Speculation...

Devdan is a psychotic sociopath, taking on different persona's to hide his identity as he hunts down and kills famous individuals.

But it's just a theory, a-- *shot*

It's been a while since I looked at her supports (I did indeed unlike all of them, haha yes), but the possibility of her having MPD is interesting, but I doubt it's true. She's still a well-portrayed character, though.

The above post is... I guess one way to look at it. I don't actually think it's a valid theory at all, but hurrah for opinions! Considering that she has different dynamics with all her supports, the change in tone generally makes sense.

Well, I think as Rebecca has so many aspects to her character, she could have been good, but I think she's very poorly written and having dissociative identity disorder could explain this oversight. There are a variety of ways a person may obtain dissociative identity disorder, including traumatic experiences, depression and abuse. The last one, of course doesn't apply to her, however given her situation of being lonely with the two people closest to her, leaving her to go on an adventure together, she may very well be depressed. She seems energetic, but you can clearly see with her support conversation with Nino that she's lonely, she wants to make friends. With both Nino and Louise, she trivializes on things such as age and weapon choice to start a conversation.

I agree with Shin's summary of her personalities, but allow me to put them like this:

#1. An angry girl who puts blame onto others who may not be at fault.

#2. A lovestruck girl, having delusions of grandeur.

#3. A stern girl with standards, yet still accepting of who Sain is.

#4. A clumsy girl, unable to tie her own bow, despite going hunting each day.

#5. A girl eager to make friends with someone she can relate to.

#6. A girl coming to terms with her brother's memory loss, but still happy to be able to talk to him each time.

#7. Though not from supports, you can see from her introductions that she's a girl who thinks she's capable to fight a war of which involves killing bandits, praising her own ability to hunt and use a bow.

From here, #1. we can dismiss since it only applies to Wil. #2 and #3 are questionable, Rebecca does it to one person, Sain does it to many. Comparable, but not conclusive. #4 and #7 however are alarming, she states she goes hunting every day, but doesn't know how to tie her own bow properly? Very strange. #5 and #6 are problems relating to her, which are brought up to her own leisure.

The consistent thing about Rebecca is her inconsistency, her desire to see her brother and cooking.

Also, I don't see Rebecca idealizing Lowen as anything special. He saved her life, how did you expect she'd react? It's more than love, he's quite literally her hero.

Regardless of whether her idealization is justified, she still has evidently shown that she cannot differentiate between certain colours, as well as showing signs having grandeur delusions. If she doesn't have multiple personality disorder, she has something. And it's not pleasant.

Also, despite Lowen whisking her and Tactician away from the village, Groznyi showed no signs of harming or killing anyone, in fact it's clear his intentions were looting the money from the village, not harming anyone. Similarly, the elder (Rebecca's Dad) showed concern over the village being torched over anyone actually dying. Not to say there wasn't any danger, but there's no evidence she was in danger of even bodily harm. She wasn't even scared of the bandits, opting to fight them despite mentioning she has 'some skill' with the bow (should I mention, a D-Rank in bows no less!)

Edited April 18, 2014 by SlipperySlippy

[Nobody]

Regardless of whether her idealization is justified, she still has evidently shown that she cannot differentiate between certain colours, as well as showing signs having grandeur delusions. If she doesn't have multiple personality disorder, she has something. And it's not pleasant.

Also, despite Lowen whisking her and Tactician away from the village, Groznyi showed no signs of harming or killing anyone, in fact it's clear his intentions were looting the money from the village, not harming anyone. Similarly, the elder (Rebecca's Dad) showed concern over the village being torched over anyone actually dying. Not to say there wasn't any danger, but there's no evidence she was in danger of even bodily harm. She wasn't even scared of the bandits, opting to fight them despite mentioning she has 'some skill' with the bow (should I mention, a D-Rank in bows no less!)

The only condition that makes someone not able to differentiate certain colors is color blindness

And it has nothing to do with delusions or with the psychological health of someone.

And well, he still protected her village from bandits. It's not hard to imagine someone idealizing a person who saved their village from bandits.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Nobody

[TheWill]

The only condition that makes someone not able to differentiate certain colors is color blindness

And it has nothing to do with delusions or with the psychological health of someone.

And well, he still protected her village from bandits. It's not hard to imagine someone idealizing a person who saved their village from bandits.

Edit: I screwed up on what colourblind is. Although I standby that Rebecca is delusional over it, lol! Seeing colours that aren't there is definitely serious!

Rebecca's love is poorly written and doesn't make sense. Either Lowen grabbed her randomly out of a random set of people and thus, she feels as if that kind of thing is something 'special' (which implies a sense of being... well dumb?) or like the Tactician, she volunteered to help relay information to Eliwood and Marcus. Either way, it's shaky at best. She also says that Lowen came upon his steed to save the village, when in actuality, Lowen comes to grab two people to have Eliwood and Marcus save the village, as he helps. Since that's the case, she should have admiration for Eliwood or Marcus as well, but that's not the case.

Rebecca and Lowen's support is meant to be a gag, yes, but there is something undermining here that we shouldn't miss!

Edited April 18, 2014 by SlipperySlippy

[PuffPuff]

Next time on Serenes Speculation...

Devdan is a psychotic sociopath, taking on different persona's to hide his identity as he hunts down and kills famous individuals.

But it's just a theory, a-- *shot*

Well, I think as Rebecca has so many aspects to her character, she could have been good, but I think she's very poorly written and having dissociative identity disorder could explain this oversight. There are a variety of ways a person may obtain dissociative identity disorder, including traumatic experiences, depression and abuse. The last one, of course doesn't apply to her, however given her situation of being lonely with the two people closest to her, leaving her to go on an adventure together, she may very well be depressed. She seems energetic, but you can clearly see with her support conversation with Nino that she's lonely, she wants to make friends. With both Nino and Louise, she trivializes on things such as age and weapon choice to start a conversation.

I agree with Shin's summary of her personalities, but allow me to put them like this:

#1. An angry girl who puts blame onto others who may not be at fault.

#2. A lovestruck girl, having delusions of grandeur.

#3. 1. A stern girl with standards, yet still accepting of who Sain is.

#4. 2. A clumsy girl, unable to tie her own bow, despite going hunting each day.

#5. A girl eager to make friends with someone she can relate to.

#6. A girl coming to terms with her brother's memory loss, but still happy to be able to talk to him each time.

#7. 3. Though not from supports, you can see from her introductions that she's a girl who thinks she's capable to fight a war of which involves killing bandits, praising her own ability to hunt and use a bow.

From here, #1. we can dismiss since it only applies to Wil. #2 and #3 are questionable, Rebecca does it to one person, Sain does it to many. Comparable, but not conclusive. #4 and #7 however are alarming, she states she goes hunting every day, but doesn't know how to tie her own bow properly? Very strange. #5 and #6 are problems relating to her, which are brought up to her own leisure.

The consistent thing about Rebecca is her inconsistency, her desire to see her brother and cooking.

Regardless of whether her idealization is justified, she still has evidently shown that she cannot differentiate between certain colours, as well as showing signs having grandeur delusions. If she doesn't have multiple personality disorder, she has something. And it's not pleasant.

Also, despite Lowen whisking her and Tactician away from the village, Groznyi showed no signs of harming or killing anyone, in fact it's clear his intentions were looting the money from the village, not harming anyone. Similarly, the elder (Rebecca's Dad) showed concern over the village being torched over anyone actually dying. Not to say there wasn't any danger, but there's no evidence she was in danger of even bodily harm. She wasn't even scared of the bandits, opting to fight them despite mentioning she has 'some skill' with the bow (should I mention, a D-Rank in bows no less!)

1. If she did, she wouldn't have left him in her A support end with him. -.-

2. ...And to think on how she caught all that food without keeping any of her bowstring in check. She may have got other ones if one another broke.

3. She only did that in thanks of dashing Eliwood's heroism. How she reacts around dashing handsome heros.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Dark_Huntress

[Lord of Gabriel Knight]

Hate to break it to you, Huntress, but Sain and Rebecca get married and have a kid in their ending, so she obviously doesn't mind (despite being disgusted in his acts).

It's a testament to how badly written she is.

Edited April 18, 2014 by GabrielKnight

[Might Gaine]

re:entire thread:

Bwuh?

[Tamanoir]

Why would Rebecca say this to Louise and not Wil? Simple, she has multiple personalities that appear depending on who she talks to.

Just going to react to that. Louise is a feamle archer, and a noble. She's practically a legend herself (or at the very least, a legend's wife). Will is a male archer, and a childhood friend.

If she reacted the same way to both, then it would cause a problem.

It's normal to adapt her personnality to different person.

So, she isn't mentally sick, she's just manipulative, due to her loneliness and fear of abandonment (kinda like Serra in this regard, but more lucid. Serra ended up believing her lies.)

[TheWill]

Just going to react to that. Louise is a feamle archer, and a noble. She's practically a legend herself (or at the very least, a legend's wife). Will is a male archer, and a childhood friend.

If she reacted the same way to both, then it would cause a problem.

It's normal to adapt her personnality to different person.

So, she isn't mentally sick, she's just manipulative, due to her loneliness and fear of abandonment (kinda like Serra in this regard, but more lucid. Serra ended up believing her lies.)

As people have mentioned, her adapting her personality to the person isn't the exclusive reason of why Rebecca has MPD. I do however agree that it's fine she treats Wil rudely exclusively. The point in that regard was more or less as you said, her being lonely and depressed, a possible reason to why she has MPD.

[sirmola]

re:entire thread:

Bwuh?

The idea is to over-annalise bad writing until we find a way for it to make sense in universe, like the "game theory" youtube channel does, whith this vidio probably being the most relevant:

Please have a soul and bench her with Serra, so she can get proper treatement.

Because i would totally trust Serra to treat a mental illness.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

man screw that channel, i personally wouldn't care about it if a cousin of mine didn't claim it to be what actually happens.

despite ya know, the guy at the end saying its just a damn theory.

[TheWill]

man screw that channel, i personally wouldn't care about it if a cousin of mine didn't claim it to be what actually happens.

despite ya know, the guy at the end saying its just a damn theory.

I have you know, my theory is much more sane than anything Game Theory has to offer!

[Lord of Gabriel Knight]

Game Theories kills my braincells, that Peach video almost made me a vegetable.

[Tamanoir]

Game Theories kills my braincells, that Peach video almost made me a vegetable.

but peach is a fruit...

[sirmola]

man screw that channel, i personally wouldn't care about it if a cousin of mine didn't claim it to be what actually happens.

despite ya know, the guy at the end saying its just a damn theory.

I like it more because it provides interesting food for thought then anything. The theories are usually various kinds of "out there", but they are fun to mull over, if nothing else. For example, the "sepheroth didn't kill ares, cloud did(on accident)" theory. Is based on confushoin between of textures and particle effects, but you need to think about that to figure it out. I like things that force you to think, and Game Theory does a good job of that.

[jjl2357]

I think RebeccaxSain isn't solely a problem with portraying Rebecca, it's a problem of portraying all of Sain's female supports.

SainxFiora: Sain pursues Fiora, Fiora keeps rejecting him. ...They get married and move to Ilia.

SainxRebecca: Sain pursues Rebecca, Rebecca rejects him ...They get married in their ending.

You actually see a similar pattern with a few characters (forgot the names) from Awakening, as well.

[OCShoes]

I think RebeccaxSain isn't solely a problem with portraying Rebecca, it's a problem of portraying all of Sain's female supports.

SainxFiora: Sain pursues Fiora, Fiora keeps rejecting him. ...They get married and move to Ilia.

SainxRebecca: Sain pursues Rebecca, Rebecca rejects him ...They get married in their ending.

You actually see a similar pattern with a few characters (forgot the names) from Awakening, as well.

So you're saying that Sain has figured out a way of inflicting Stockholm Syndrome upon any woman he pleases?