momogeek2141 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Is one of the top 5 items Elwind? Because nobody would expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I honestly don't really know without actually trying. I think it would hover somewhere between 150-155 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Is one of the top 5 items Elwind? Because nobody would expect that. Considering its combination of potent offense and low weight, I think it's an item to be expected. I definitely see Hero Lance in there somewhere. It was an important alternative to the Hero sword due to its higher Mt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Hmm I guess no growths makes you lose about 30 turns then? I expect my final turn count to be in the mid to low 180's, but that may go down a bit more. That seems about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Rip Cuan and Ethlin :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGVHG26xCQU&feature=youtu.be Also if you haven't yet post your choices for top 10 units/top 5 units and questions you want me to answer during the Barhara BBQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Also one of the top 5 items will surprise you all. Interesting. Though if it's Cuan's Javelin or Midir's whatever Bow I wouldn't actually call it a "surprise". Edit: Ninja'd Edited February 2, 2015 by Yojinbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Wow, this chapter is going by lightning fast. You weren't kidding. What's the reason the meteor mages aren't targeting Sylvia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 i can't say for sure, but it's probably because she's not OHKO'd (and her Res is actually higher than Sigurd's). Levin's also in KO range (even though its hit is probably awful or 0.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 So the enemy prioritizes KO potential over accuracy? FE4 AI is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Even if the enemy did target Sylvia, it probably wouldn't have been an issue, the hitrate would be so low with Charisma and Leadership bonuses (maybe 35ish). I don't really know how the AI works when it has 0 hit and can KO though. Most of the time they just ignore them. EDIT: Turns out the Meteo mages hilariously have 3 hit on Levin so they'd go for him when possible. Edited February 2, 2015 by General Horace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Fun fact: I RNG abused that one enemy phase because Levin actually got killed so I had to move the RN's a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 So you had to "rig" a dodge against an attack that only has 3 hit?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 One RN systems are a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 So you had to "rig" a dodge against an attack that only has 3 hit?!? somewhat related: i've had to "rig" humorous things before for the sake of strategic integrity; i've rigged non-crits and non-dodges on occasion just to maintain the suspense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 And who could forget that time when you made it so that an enemy critted himself with a devil axe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) And that's the end of Chapter 5, completed in 13 turns, and Generation One, completed in 96 turns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xFqOmQO0ws&feature=youtu.be Here's my rankings. These are all very debatable because ranking in a video game can be subjective. [spoiler=Top 10 Units/Top 5 Items] 1. Levin: Was in contention with Sigurd for number one, but barely got the nudge in the end since late game would be practically impossible to play efficiently without him. 2. Sigurd: He gets outshone towards the end of the game, but imagine playing early game without him. With access to spears and swords, leadership, the ability to get sibling crits, and massive movement, Sigurd is an insanely versatile unit who carries any FE4 team with or without growths. After the first two chapters he was no longer an invincible monster, but he still managed to do so much. 3. Dew (may he rest in peace): Without him, Lachesis wouldn't promote on time and Sigurd wouldn't be able to get all the items needed for Sigurd. I can't calculate for sure, but I know this saves an amazing number of turns. 4. Sylvia (may she rest in peace): Dancer. Self explanatory. Makes everything faster with very little investment. 5. Lachesis: She was made especially vital by the need to lug a 6 move unit around in mount emblem, but wasn't ranked any higher because she required so much work/investment and only helped out at the end. 6. Ethlin (may she rest in peace): Healing to increase reliability (and make a few strats possible), enemy attack bait (further increasing reliability), and able to set up crits with the two best mounted units? Very useful unit, but ranked lower because she's ultimately only a support unit. 7. Cuan (may he rest in peace): High defense, same movement as Sigurd, great strength, and riggable continues is a winning combination. He's only ranked this low because his kills aren't as reliable as Sigurd's, WTD hurts him in the first few maps, and he just isn't as versatile in terms of available items. 8. Deidre: I think this is the first time Deidre has ever been ranked this high on any list, but prayer is an amazing skill, especially when combined with live. Since she only contributed in two chapters she isn't any higher, but cutting a turn in chapter 1 and quite a few in chapter 2 is good enough to place her this high. Plus, she's the second best dodger after Levin! 9. Holyn (may he rest in peace): I was unsure whether this spot should belong to Aideen or Holyn but I decided to go with Holyn in the end. All Aideen does in terms of saving turns is warp Sigurd over to Madino castle after Silvail, and Holyn has more varied contributions. I lavish a lot of praise on Deidre for her amazing dodges during Macklily, but without Holyn to tank and finish off some enemies she wouldn't be able to do it. Holyn also helps during Agusty by clearing a path for Sigurd, and during Silvail by increasing reliability. Finally, he feeds kills onto the hero sword in chapter four, which will be a major help in the second generation. Holyn's contributions aren't massive, but they let him snag the 9th spot. 10. Midir: Being locked to 2 range doesn't look so bad when your defense is so bad that enemies would wreck you at one range. Riggable charge and baiting enemies out during Agusty castle were with key contributions (as well as being AI bait), which is good enough to give Midir a spot at the end of the list. Items: 1. Leg ring Self explanatory. Helps Sylvia zip around and dance more often, saving a bunch of turns. 2. Elite ring Without this item Lachesis wouldn't be a masterknight and Levin wouldn't be a sage at the beginning of chapter four. The importance of this can not be understated. 3. Return staff A lot of people chose either the warp staff or the return staff. The return staff pulled ahead because it saved more turns more often. After Anphony, after Madino, and after Silesia the return staff helped save turns, whereas the warp staff was only important after Madino, which is why it was ultimately edged out of the ranking. 4. Circlet Without prayer and live Deidre would have just been a glass cannon and a healer. With this, she became a turn saving monster. Definitely an important item. 5. Ethlin's Live Staff The only real curve ball here, but this staff was pivotal. First, the 9 turn of the prologue would have been impossible without it, as I couldn't rig and Cuan would have died. Then imagine Chapters 1 and 2 without it. If Cuan actually had to dodge all axe attacks the strategy would have been absurdly unreliable and I would have been uncomfortable with the amount of rigging required (many things would be less than 1% COS.) Aideen wouldn't have been able to chip in, because she isn't fast enough in the forest and needed to stand next to Azel. The staff's contributions were more of the same during chapter 2, where no units could reliably dodge everything any more. It's an innocuous item and one that won't see any more use, but it really helped out in early game, earning it a much deserved spot in the top five items. And, unless I've counted incorrectly (which I might have), Mekkah takes the competition. However, if anyone can guess my top 5 hairstyles in the first generation, I will read a poem in their honor too during the battle of Barhara. Edited February 3, 2015 by MartyTheDemonSlayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 awesome job so far!Rescue doesn't save any turns in Chapter 6, even if you go over the mountains near where Fee and Arthur spawn, Celice is 2 spaces short of a 15 turn clear. It's rather inconvienent. I agree that Azel/Aideen and Claude/Fury is the way to go in 0% growths though. Leaf won't be promoted until probably chapter 9 (or 10 even) without growths anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) I get him promoted by chapter 9 with a bit of arena rigging, a few kills, and by feeding him all the citizens in chapter 8. It's amazing, I can clear chapter 9 in 9/8 turns with the rescue staff and knight!leg!Laylea (I'll have to see if I can revamp my strategy to not require the prayer ring.) Edited February 3, 2015 by MartyTheDemonSlayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 that was really good =) Can't wait to see gen 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 How do you manage to kill Areone? He's pretty tough with growths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 magicring!lightsword!Oifaye hits him twice (dancer support), maybe Leif used a powerful magic tome on him, I forgot, and then Shanan finished him off with a continue. The prayer ring is important to one of the strategies I have in the final chapter (my 2 turn of Edda), but I think that I might be able to do without it, depending on how stupid the AI is. Near the end of chapter 9 I'll probably be taking a break from recording to try out a few different strats as I don't have generation 2 endgame completely planned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Nice job! Levin, Sigurd, Alec, Cuan, Aira. They're probably all wrong. How did you manage chapter 6 on your test playthrough? Also, I'm just curious to know how many kills Holsety has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Elwind has 45, Wind has 4, and Holsety 15. You'd expect it to be higher, but I did skip a lot of enemies. I think I'll settle for like, a 20 turn for chapter 6. It could go much lower, but guess and checking with RN burns in chapter 5 is just too tedious for me to do for long. When Celice gets two shotted the optimal strategies are all really unreliable and there's no arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 [spoiler=Results] Marty: Levin, Sigurd, Dew, Sylvia, Lachesis, Ethlin, Cuan, Deidre, Holyn, Midir Leg Ring, Elite Ring, Return Staff, Circlet, Live Staff --- Mekkah: Levin (2) Sigurd (2) Cuan (1) Sylvia (2) Lachesis (2) Ethlin (2) Dew (1) Fin (0) Deidre (1) Midir (1) = 14 Silver Lance (0) Elite Ring (2) Warp Staff (0) Leg Ring (1) Hero Lance (0) = 3 -> 17 points Yojinbo: Levin (2) Sylvia (1) Dew (2) Lachesis (1) Sigurd (1) Cuan (1) Ethlin (1) Deidre (2) Midir (1) Fin (0) = 12 Leg Ring (2) Elite Ring (2) Warp Staff (0) Hero Lance (0) Circlet (1) = 5 -> 17 points Horace: Dew (1) Levin (1) Lachesis (1) Sylvia (2) Ethlin (1) Sigurd (1) Cuan (2) Midir (1) Deidre (1) Aideen (0) = 11 Elite Ring (1) Let Ring (1) Warp Staff (0) Hero Lance (0) Return Staff (1) = 3 -> 14 points momogeek: Levin (2) Sylvia (1) Dew (2) Lachesis (1) Sigurd (1) Ethlin (2) Cuan (2) Midir (1) Deidre (1) Holyn (1) = 13 Elite Ring (1) Hero Lance (0) Speed Ring (0) Return Staff (1) Leg Ring (1) = 3 -> 16 points franku: Levin (2) Lachesis (1) Sylvia (1) Dew (1) Ethlin (1) Sigurd (1) Cuan (2) Holyn (1) Beowulf (0) Aideen (0) = 10 Leg Ring (2) Warp Staff (0) Hero Lance (0) Hero Sword (0) Elite Ring (1) = 3 -> 13 poins BBM: Sylvia (1) Levin (1) Lachesis (1) Sigurd (1) Dew (1) Cuan (1) Aideen (0) Deidre (2) Midir (1) Fin (0) = 9 Elite Ring (1) Warp Staff (0) Leg Ring (1) Silver Lance (0) Return Staff (1) = 3 -> 12 points Baldrick: Levin (2) Cuan (1) Lachesis (1) Sylvia (2) Fin (1) Sigurd (1) Ethlin (1) Dew (1) Aideen (0) Deidre (1) = 11 Elite Ring (1) Leg Ring (1) Hero Lance (0) Warp (0) Circlet (1) = 3 -> 14 points 1. Mekkah / Yojinbo @ 17 points 2. momogeek @ 16 points 3. Horace / Baldrick @ 14 points 4. franku @ 13 points 5. BBM @ 12 points Looks like we get to hear 2 poems :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Ooops, guess I counted wrong. Two poems it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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