Florete Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 3/4 of that post wasn't about stealing experience. Lrn2reed. Ewan is a mediocre unit, at best. He's nothing like Ross, who turns out awesome. I stopped reading right after that part because it's a bad reason entirely. The rest, I must say, was valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) Why I consider "Arena Abuse" valid: the chances your unit will die eventually are pretty high, regardless of his level and stats. I think restarting until things go your way is cheating. On your first run in any given map, if you manage to get a guy to high levels via the arena, then more power to you for being lucky. If he dies, guess you are out of a good unit now and are going to have to find a back-up because if you hit reset, you better be starting your entire game over and not just reloading your last save. In FE8 debates we aim for beating the game in the least amount of turns possible. When you arena abuse you use up your turns. No arena abusing. It's only considered valid in FE4 and FE6 and FE7, but for the latter two only if you can afford it in the turn limit. Tower of Valni, I don't consider abuse, unless you re-enter it like a million times. It's meant to be attempted in the story line at least once, and if you do it, let's say right after Ephraim and Eirika get promoted, it's still a challenge to beat the entire thing in one sitting. I say if you exit because you're afraid of losing your units, you don't return to it. It's meant to be attempted after the storyline to recruit all the secret characters. Going to the Tower means using more turns, too, although the game doesn't count them. The same goes for skirmishes and the Ruins. You seem to like citing precedence against me. That's going to change how I see things! For sure! I guess I can't have my own opinions about a game because I have to have fun with it the same way the "experts" have decided I need to play the game! I guess I've learned my lesson. I'll never question your mighty expertise ever again. You're completely wrong. I don't tell you how to beat the game, I'm debating. Debating and playing the game are two completely different things. Edited September 19, 2008 by Tino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 In FE8 debates we aim for beating the game in the least amount of turns possible. When you arena abuse you use up your turns. No arena abusing. It's only considered valid in FE4 and FE6 and FE7, but for the latter two only if you can afford it in the turn limit.It's meant to be attempted after the storyline to recruit all the secret characters. Going to the Tower means using more turns, too, although the game doesn't count them. The same goes for skirmishes and the Ruins. You're completely wrong. I don't tell you how to beat the game, I'm debating. Debating and playing the game are two completely different things. If you want to debate, go to somewhere like FE Planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kintenbo Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 If you want to debate, go to somewhere like FE Planet. What's wrong with it happening here? Just let the calm people deal with the debating, and the anti-debators can just ignore it. Really, I could really care less if Vanessa's > Tana, I just use her for fun. In fact, I don't really care who I use in this game... Point is, debating is likely to happen no matter where you go. If fact, you guys did debates, if in much less detail, long before Tino and Salmon came to town, just look at the Lord Debate from some time ago. Look at the topics with various classes, it even has the word debate in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 What's wrong with it happening here? Just let the calm people deal with the debating, and the anti-debators can just ignore it. Really, I could really care less if Vanessa's > Tana, I just use her for fun. In fact, I don't really care who I use in this game...Point is, debating is likely to happen no matter where you go. If fact, you guys did debates, if in much less detail, long before Tino and Salmon came to town, just look at the Lord Debate from some time ago. Look at the topics with various classes, it even has the word debate in it. Indeed... I did enjoy a good debate about Nino a few months back. I think that was with Tino, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 20, 2008 Author Share Posted September 20, 2008 Indeed... I did enjoy a good debate about Nino a few months back. I think that was with Tino, too. Yes, I remember that debate. Awesome debate ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Nino should be the vice president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLSothe Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Debates are fine all over. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Nino should be the vice president. Lute should be; she has more brain cells than Nino anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Lute should be; she has more brain cells than Nino anyway. Well I say Lute only because nino isn't in SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kintenbo Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Lute should be; she has more brain cells than Nino anyway. But Nino has more fanboys, me being #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 But Nino has more fanboys, me being #1. She also has more haters too. Lute is often ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kintenbo Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 She also has more haters too. Lute is often ignored. Well, haters are like this: Anyway, Lute is a pretty good mage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordsalmon Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Anyway, Lute is a pretty good mage. Only second to Moulder in FE8. <3 Tino, I think Vanessa might actually be better than Franz. She has a bit better overall offense and destroys Franz once her supports build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 She's not much better, if any at all once she has her supports, and she has pretty fail offense the first couple of chapters. I don't see how Franz could be worse than Vanessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordsalmon Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 (edited) Well, Vanessa's durability is barely lower than Franz's, and she's two rounding most enemies, while Franz is three-rounding. She's slightly better early-game, Franz is better mid-game, and both are about equal late-game. I do think Vanessa is slightly better. EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot about her 16 HP. >__< Edited September 22, 2008 by Swordsalmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serene Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 -It's not hard to beat the game. At all. A tier list might tell somebody which characters are worth using to make the game easier, but it's an easy game, so who cares. Not needed.-There aren't any rankings in the game. No reward for doing "better" according to any standards the game throws at you. A tier list might help you for trying to get a good rank in the games that have ranks, but no ranks, so it doesn't do that. Who cares. -Who cares about a tier list for SS? It's pointless. Dude Tier list aren't needed for FE period. It's just gay, I'm fine with a Brawl tier cause that has a competative Meta-game or any sort of game. FE is something you play alone. Tiers aren't needed play with who you want Look, I know that you guys don't like tier lists. I'm not partial of them either. Can't we just stay on topic and humor the guy? I am humoring him, by arguing with him Completely irrelevant. In debates, facts are used, not opinions, no matter how much you think they're worth. *rolls eyes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masu Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I dont see how you can make a tierlist for a game with random stat growths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 I dont see how you can make a tierlist for a game with random stat growths. That's what averages have been calculated for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masu Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 That's what averages have been calculated for. tch. Whatever not that i care. I just use who I like depending on class or personality. I play for fun not to use the top characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 Then don't post in the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masu Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Then don't post in the topic. Sorry for ASKING A QUESTION. Geez you dont have to be a jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 Don't overreact, man. I just said you didn't have to post in the topic (which obviously means that you shouldn't post if you have nothing to add). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masu Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Don't overreact, man. I just said you didn't have to post in the topic (which obviously means that you shouldn't post if you have nothing to add). If i have a question about the topic im not allowed to post? Interesting............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 My tier list: Super Human Tier: Seth Everyone else tier: Everyone else All that=I agree with Cortana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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