Konnor97 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I believe the main problems are he's too slow he gets doubled until he gets the level 15 skill from General, Defensive Formation and in at least Conquest the enemies are smart enough to not attack characters that take no damage. Knight and General's lower mobility can be inconvenient. Defensive Formation is a must as he only has a 15% speed growth as a knight and 10% as a general. Maximizing Speed pairup and using tonics and other bonus would hopefully be enough as I don't know if reclassing him would be worth it. It does even seem like the game is against him. His only real buddy options seems to be Revelation's Hayato giving him Diviner. Bear knight DLC when? https://kantopia.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/81.jpg Minor point, but I thought Defensive Formation was the Lv. 5 General skill. Does an early promotion benefit him at all to get to Defensive Formation earlier, or is it not worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenkappa Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Minor point, but I thought Defensive Formation was the Lv. 5 General skill. Does an early promotion benefit him at all to get to Defensive Formation earlier, or is it not worth it? You're right. I corrected my post. Fates has less of a experience penalty for promoting early so maybe. Most people just seem to use him as a pairup fodder if at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Honestly I'd say that Benny is like a Kellam or a Gilliam: You put him somewhere, he tanks with his face and pokes at his enemies while one of your Mages or Archers or anyone with a 2 range weapon that can double hides behind him and mops up his leftovers. The only stats that really matter to him are his Defenses, which he'll have plenty of. Also, he joins late and he won't be getting that much EXP because he doesn't have Effie's abhorrent Strength to OHKO, so he won't be getting enough EXP to justify trying to get him to 20/5 by endgame let alone 20/20. The immediate boost from early promotion is really the only thing that will make his use justifiable in Lunatic mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Training Benny is normal mode is a piece of cake. He can get defensive formation early enough if you plan on using him. On Hard, his problem starts to show a lot, but he's still more viable with Charlotte backing him up. In Lunatic, the game just hates him, and he'll want to be instapromoted for any chance.Effie > Benny because she's a far better combat unit. But Benny isnt a slouch himself. But I would invest in choosing lancer for your secondary before marrying him. Lancefaire and breaking sky insures him a OHKO when used regularly on most enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooru Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Minor point, but I thought Defensive Formation was the Lv. 5 General skill. Does an early promotion benefit him at all to get to Defensive Formation earlier, or is it not worth it? "Being doubled" and "not receiving damage" shouldn't be his problems at the same time. Otherwise people are complaining about Benny being doubled by 0*2 or 1*2. That sounds strange. The latter is actually his problem. He has to use a Blessed Lance to receive damage from N14 Samurais and Sky Knights, while Effie/Felicia are not nearby. Early promotion gives him +4 Def and makes the problem worse. Edited February 8, 2016 by Tooru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnor97 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 "Being doubled" and "not receiving damage" shouldn't be his problems at the same time. Otherwise people are complaining about Benny being doubled by 0*2 or 1*2. That sounds strange. The latter is actually his problem. He has to use a Blessed Lance to receive damage from N14 Samurais and Sky Knights, while Effie/Felicia are not nearby. Early promotion gives him +4 Def and makes the problem worse. Oh, alright then. I didn't know his defense was that good that it caused problems. I should've figured because 19 does seem really good for Ch. 13. The 6 speed kinda worried me at a first glance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 So from what I've made out of several discussion, the general concensus is Effie > Benny. I plan on marrying Benny in my Nohr run since I'm a softie for softies, and want to know what I'm getting into. So just a couple questions 1. Is he bad or just simply outclassed by Effie? 2. What class/skills would be best for him? 3. What assets would be optimal for my MC? I'm not too worried about making Ignis super strong, as I probably won't worry about the Nohrian children until I play Revelation. 4. Why aren't more people talking about how adorable he is? Benoit is the worst unit in Nohr. 1) He's bad. No supports, 4 mov, and 6 speed when the mid game is starting. 6 spd + 15 growth means he has to go to defensive formation and he has to do it immediately (By that point even Effie can be ready for promotion, hop on a horse, and go god mode for the rest of the game), so he's promoting to a 5 mov class when your whole team is potentially mounted and his promoted exp gain makes it so that he has to grab promote enemies for exp, which he's facing big competition for. There's also the fact that Leo is joining and that Flannel just shits on Benoit in everything despite joining one chapter later. 2) Go for Defensive Formation then make him a Great Knight. 3) Benoit gives thwomp pair up bonuses, so you'll probably want +spd. 4) I dunno but he really is a sweetheart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriotto Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Do you have a chance to actually make Orochi usefull in Hoshido Hard/Lunatic (in fates i actually might try Lunatic run) so i wonder as a magic unit she does have any chance to work. I really have problem with her speed, i think not only i do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooru Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Benoit is the worst unit in Nohr. 1) He's bad. No supports, 4 mov, and 6 speed when the mid game is starting. 6 spd + 15 growth means he has to go to defensive formation and he has to do it immediately (By that point even Effie can be ready for promotion, hop on a horse, and go god mode for the rest of the game), so he's promoting to a 5 mov class when your whole team is potentially mounted and his promoted exp gain makes it so that he has to grab promote enemies for exp, which he's facing big competition for. There's also the fact that Leo is joining and that Flannel just shits on Benoit in everything despite joining one chapter later. 2) Go for Defensive Formation then make him a Great Knight. 3) Benoit gives thwomp pair up bonuses, so you'll probably want +spd. 4) I dunno but he really is a sweetheart. So somebody who immediately promotes him will get the worst unit... BTW how many turns you need to get all EXP in N21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 So somebody who immediately promotes him will get the worst unit... BTW how many turns you need to get all EXP in N21? Actually, yes. He's the only unit I can think of aside from Mozume that bring nothing to the table. I hate waving around play speed accusations, but you don't even have to be an efficiency nut to see his issues. I couldn't tell you how many turns it takes to get all the exp in C21. I could tell you how many turns you can escape the map in, because that's the actual objective. I'm not sure why "get all exp" is a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooru Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Actually, yes. He's the only unit I can think of aside from Mozume that bring nothing to the table. I hate waving around play speed accusations, but you don't even have to be an efficiency nut to see his issues. I couldn't tell you how many turns it takes to get all the exp in C21. I could tell you how many turns you can escape the map in, because that's the actual objective. I'm not sure why "get all exp" is a concern. Because you always become angry when I say you are not good at doing this. But you aren't. You can't be good at something you never manage to do. There are some skippable challenges in Nohr. Being skippable doesn't mean we should not try it, especially when we choose Conquest route for its difficulty. Some of these are tooooooooo difficult for you and you have to skip them. That is because you don't have units/classes that said to be bad. Edited February 8, 2016 by Tooru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I actually got really screwed with him. Still pretty good though. He's helped me tremendously in certain chapters like Nishiki's/Haden's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengerfive Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Did you buy those skills for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shephen Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Killing everything in Nohr is only a concern in chapter 13 and 19 because the objective is route, and arguably 10 since you are stuck there for 11 turns anyways. He isn't there for chapter 10, and joins behind your forces in chapter 13 so misses most of the map. 19 he would be sort of useful in since foxes are annoying, but Wyvern Lord Camilla rolls over that map. Past that Benny is doing much aside from guard stance because pretty much all of the options you get are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitama Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Oh wow, thanks guys for all the help. It's going to be hard, but I'm going to make him work somehow. I'll probably just end up going +Spd, -Def/-Lck Lance Fighter for Corrin. Lancefaire sounds fun on him. But I still want to keep him a hyper tank, so I still don't know. I'll figure it out. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Did you buy those skills for him? Yep. Too lazy to do it all by hand. I just had him protect Mozu because defense was the only thing she was bad at. But with a brave lance, he pulled his own weight pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I don't understand how Benny / Charlotte "miss out on action in their join chapter". Just chain-transfer them to characters who need str/def or str/spd and start building supports and levelling up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Benny with Charlotte pair up can OHKO all the mages that surround him, and the speed boost he gets prevents him from getting doubled. Charlotte can't do that, so either way you're forced to use him. Just make sure Orochi doesn't reach him. Outside of the fact that Charlotte wants to marry Xander asap, he's a great unit who doesn't take much from his join chapter to be useful. I don't even think speed is an issue really, since nothing can really hurt him. Maybe for high leveled magic users or something of the like. Though I can understand people not liking his 4 movement. Which is why I bought him +1 move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriotto Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Benny with Charlotte pair up can OHKO all the mages that surround him, and the speed boost he gets prevents him from getting doubled. Charlotte can't do that, so either way you're forced to use him. Just make sure Orochi doesn't reach him. Outside of the fact that Charlotte wants to marry Xander asap, he's a great unit who doesn't take much from his join chapter to be useful. I don't even think speed is an issue really, since nothing can really hurt him. Maybe for high leveled magic users or something of the like. Though I can understand people not liking his 4 movement. Which is why I bought him +1 move. Well low movement is one of the actual Knights problem right? If i would use Benny, i would pair Charlotte with him, i know that XanderxCharlotte is great however i somehow don't like this pairing too much lol If i need to choose Zerk for Xander i would reclass Pieri and make her pair up fodder lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I mean, sure, you can do that. Charlotte is a great wife for anyone, and actually cancels out Ignis' negative speed mod. Plus STR/SPD pair up for Benny ensures he will OHKO most everything, it's pretty great. However, the main problem is Benny already having fighter as a class, but it shouldn't be too big of an issue since he'll want to stay as a general/great knight anyway. Or you could make Charlotte the lead, and have Benny's great DEF boost make her viable early on and a savage by endgame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSS1 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) If i need to choose Zerk for Xander i would reclass Pieri and make her pair up fodder lol. Peri would need to get an A+ support with Charlotte before she'd be able to become a Berserker. Her secondary class is Dark Mage, not Fighter. Edited February 8, 2016 by BlueSS1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriotto Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Peri would need to get an A+ support with Charlotte before she'd be able to become a Berserker. Her secondary class is Dark Mage, not Fighter. You think i don't know that? And is A+ with Charlotte any problem? I don't see any~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 You think i don't know that? And is A+ with Charlotte any problem? I don't see any~ Grinding for supports like that, especially with Charlotte isn't very....."practical" :^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriotto Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Grinding for supports like that, especially with Charlotte isn't very....."practical" :^) But this is still choice for some, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Choice or not, Charlotte wants that royal booty asap so Xander can tear up the battlefield. She's already a fighter, and she's a better mother/pair up wife. It's a shame that she can only marry one guy, because plenty of men want her too. 8STR/5SPD is too good.Not to mention A+ Charlotte with Peri and using a reclass seal just for a worst version just isn't as good. A choice, for sure, but not practical in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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