Snowy_One Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Seriously. I'm not complaining because she's doing fairly awesome on the whole but I feel kind of... weird... having one of my better units be a cross-comination thief/healer. But between the debuffs and healing I've kept her by Corrin's side almost the entire game so far. Not to mention that, since her daggers are 1-2 range, she can give him an extra chance to attack. Am I having a PEMN moment or is she really a solid unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocturnal YL Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I think she is good, although she will eventually hit the limit of her potential. At first, she looks like a great debuff-based fighter and someone that can't even be attacked magically, but eventually others will catch up. Her role as a high-Res ninja overlaps with Kaze's, and her role as a healer will be taken by Elise, who has better mobility. (Don't know about Sakura, she feels more like an offense-oriented unit disguised as a healer.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) I don't have Elise. I'm on the Birthright campaign. Edited February 21, 2016 by Snowy_One Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemind Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 The nice thing is even though she's a prepromote she gains XP like a T1 and can go to level 40. Her HP growths let her down, but I'm finding Strategist!Felicia viable in Chapter 20 at level 26. The fact that she goes to level 40 is also nice... I got her to 20, found out Maid and Strategist were promotes, and benched her. Didn't realize she could still gain XP til reading here... I'm slow. Overall though, due to her HP and Defense Elise is far better, as are a lot of units. But my goal is a group of battle maids and butlers, and she has a spot there! She is still competent, just second tier at best. Even if she goes to level 99 I don't see her maxing HP. Same for Azura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 She's a solid support unit but that's all she is. Jakob is so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngtunganh Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 She's a solid support unit but that's all she is. Jakob is so much better. But Jakob join at chap.15 (if you choose M Avatar) .Pretty late for me :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 But Jakob join at chap.15 (if you choose M Avatar) .Pretty late for me :p Jakob is the main reason why choosing FeMU makes the game easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemind Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Jakob is the main reason why choosing FeMU makes the game easier. Question: I have mainly avoided spoilers but am to chapter 20 (Revelations) and 12 (Conquest). Perhaps I'm blind, but why do people hate him? He seems like a loyal butler, though I don't have him yet in conquest, and I am guessing he doesn't betray as he can have a child (AKA "I'm totally not L".). Did he do something in Japan, that was localized, or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Question: I have mainly avoided spoilers but am to chapter 20 (Revelations) and 12 (Conquest). Perhaps I'm blind, but why do people hate him? He seems like a loyal butler, though I don't have him yet in conquest, and I am guessing he doesn't betray as he can have a child (AKA "I'm totally not L".). Did he do something in Japan, that was localized, or am I missing something? I'd check out some of his non-royal supports for the more detailed answer, but suffice to say, he's a complete asshole to the majority of the cast, often going out of his way to be mean - and not in the funny or "he cares anyway" kind of way either. I mean, sure, his S-supports might end that way, but by then chances are you're either annoyed by him or just asking yourself why any woman would go anywhere near him, let alone marry him. I've just played the Japanese version so he might've been toned down in he localized version, but in the Japanese one he even challenges his son to a sparring match just to let out his frustrations over his son being a better butler (or tea maker or whatever it was). Edited February 21, 2016 by Thane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemind Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'd check out some of his non-royal supports for the more detailed answer, but suffice to say, he's a complete asshole to the majority of the cast, often going out of his way to be mean - and not in the funny or "he cares anyway" kind of way either. I mean, sure, his S-supports might end that way, but by then chances are you're either annoyed by him or just asking yourself why any woman would go anywhere near him, let alone marry him. I've just played the Japanese version so he might've been toned down in he localized version, but in the Japanese one he even challenges his son to a sparring match just to let out his frustrations over his son being a better butler (or tea maker or whatever it was). Ah okay, now I see. Well that sucks, he was going to be one of the co-leaders of my mini "Pledes" army like in Overlord of Maids and Butlers. I haven't had his kid yet- I just chose his wife- needed black hair for the complete L look- but I'm sorry, if you are rude to women you have no place being in my army, stats be damned. Same for if you are rude to your son. Same reason I refuse to capture enemies in battle- 90% of capturable characters seem to me immoral and no way I want them in my army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Ah okay, now I see. Well that sucks, he was going to be one of the co-leaders of my mini "Pledes" army like in Overlord of Maids and Butlers. I haven't had his kid yet- I just chose his wife- needed black hair for the complete L look- but I'm sorry, if you are rude to women you have no place being in my army, stats be damned. Same for if you are rude to your son. Same reason I refuse to capture enemies in battle- 90% of capturable characters seem to me immoral and no way I want them in my army. If it makes you feel any better, he's rude no matter the gender of the person he's talking to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemind Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 If it makes you feel any better, he's rude no matter the gender of the person he's talking to. I know it's weird... But it kind of does. I was raised to treat ladies like queens, and if a guy is ONLY rude to ladies then that goes against how my parents raised me and my sense of decency. But if he's rude to EVERYONE then he's just a grumpy/mean person in general. Don't know if that's sexist for me to say that, just something weird with me, or something else... But it actually makes me regard him better if he's just... Grumpy... In general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I know it's weird... But it kind of does. I was raised to treat ladies like queens, and if a guy is ONLY rude to ladies then that goes against how my parents raised me and my sense of decency. But if he's rude to EVERYONE then he's just a grumpy/mean person in general. Don't know if that's sexist for me to say that, just something weird with me, or something else... But it actually makes me regard him better if he's just... Grumpy... In general. So uh...why's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukemind Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 So uh...why's that?Three Reasons to be honest.1. My family is very old fashioned: I'm 20, my father is 67, he was almost 50 when I was born! Back in his day men treated women well gall darn it. I kid, but yeah, my dad was older than classmates grandparents in a few cases. 2. My parents split when I was young, and they wanted me to have a strong moral core. That means treating ladies well and kindly. 3. I am the very last male with my family name- all the others have died out or didn't have male children. Which as I'm told literally every time I visit both my dad and grandfather, means if I don't marry and have a child our line will go extinct. This ties with number 1. That's basically it, but I just can't stand men who are jerks to women. I can't stand women who are jerks either, it's just the first really rankles me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginkgo Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Question: I have mainly avoided spoilers but am to chapter 20 (Revelations) and 12 (Conquest). Perhaps I'm blind, but why do people hate him? He seems like a loyal butler, though I don't have him yet in conquest, and I am guessing he doesn't betray as he can have a child (AKA "I'm totally not L".). Did he do something in Japan, that was localized, or am I missing something? Also, Jakob trivializes female MC lunatic beginning compared to felicia with a male MC. The difference in power at the beginning is unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGdood Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 WE'VE GAWT TRUBBLE! Give her Steel Daggers and her speed will still be high enough to do a decent amount of hurt on the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrocknroll Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'm playing Birthright and the damage that Jakob can do is unreal. I'm fairly certain that Shurikens are my new favorite weapons in the series. Felicia' not as good with them, but she's a better healer. That's about it with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rudy Mjølnir Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Felicia is quite meh on my Hoshido part, though she is quite good being an anti-mage unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriotto Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 you're forgotting that Felicia main strenght is Explosive Shurikens which you can get in both Conquest and Brightright. She's Mag. based. Unlike Joker she won't do that much with normal shurikens (Joker is str based, so he have better early as well) But as battle units Felicia ends better after hitting C rank with weapon, her Explosive shuriken destroy every ass in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 You don't really get Flame Shurikens until the midgame though, so it would be more sensible for Felicia to join around that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Yeah, the Flaming Shuriken is the earliest Maid Felicia can start functioning as a combat unit. There's Strategist reclass possible, but if you make her even frailer her getting OHKO'd by the most mundane mooks becomes too much of a problem when she's already a glass cannon as a Maid to begin with. idk maybe somebody has Levin Sword Hero stories to tell? That seems like such a silly gimmick though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriotto Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 You don't really get Flame Shurikens until the midgame though, so it would be more sensible for Felicia to join around that time. But it's all about growths, I'm preety sure when you're getting her lvl you will almost always have better mag. than she joined at chapter 16. Also that's why i said Jakob have better early, in early he's doing more damage but on mid/late Felicia wins, Explosive shuriken destroy everything also she have much better healing than Jakob, in general she end up better as Maid than Jakob as Butler. (Jakob should be reclasses as fast he can for something better physically) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSbardock84 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Felicia is pretty useful but her voice bothers me. But I only find her useful in Conquest. In Birthright I didn't use her very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 It's really hard to get her kills with her tiny strength stat though. It's kinda like arguing that training Wolt is a better idea than waiting for Klein in FE6 - there's too much headache involved in bringing Felicia up even with extreme favouritism. There's no doubt that shurikens' debuffs are helpful and that a healer is nice (especially early on in Revelation or Conquest), but wouldn't you rather have a mean ORKO machine that Jakob represents in himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSbardock84 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 It's really hard to get her kills with her tiny strength stat though. It's kinda like arguing that training Wolt is a better idea than waiting for Klein in FE6 - there's too much headache involved in bringing Felicia up even with extreme favouritism. There's no doubt that shurikens' debuffs are helpful and that a healer is nice (especially early on in Revelation or Conquest), but wouldn't you rather have a mean ORKO machine that Jakob represents in himself? Yeah usually I just have her finish off the guys who have a little hp left, her healing is really helpful. I haven't even used Jakob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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