DaloDask Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I had some time on my hands and with those other posts gathering steam, I thought it'd be neat to judge characters' chances of getting in by three metrics. Relevancy (To the plot) Uniqueness (Weapon, class, appearance) Popularity (Choose Your Legends) Each has four tiers, 1st nets four, 2nd nets 3, 3rd nets 2 and 4th nets 1. Popularity is judged at half, meaning characters get 0.5 per tier, though only the top four can get it. This is very formulaic and samey. And this only counts FE11,12,13 and 14. Going through the others would be a nightmare and there'd probably be too many characters to count. Also, any grievances regarding how characters are placed should be discussed. If a character deserves a better tier in anyone's eyes then it'll be put to a vote. Certain classes have been shoved in with others because there weren't enough members to warrant it, such as peg knights and wyvern riders in the same set named 'Fliers' Horse-Riders Spoiler Cain Abel Jagen Matthis Hardin Roshea Vyland Midia Frey Camus Robert Belf Reiden Cecil Roderick Luke Arran Frederick Sully Stahl Walhart Sedgar Wolf Silas Gunter Xander Leo Peri Elise Dwyer Maribelle Sophie Siegbert Forrest Daniela Arete Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Hardin Camus Walhart Xander Leo Elise Tier 2, Relevant enough: Arete Jagen Frederick Roshea Gunter Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Cain Abel Vyland Wolf Sedgar Midia Arran Silas Frey Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Matthis Robert Belf Reiden Cecil Roderick Luke Sully Stahl Peri Dwyer Maribelle Sophie Siegbert Forrest Daniela Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Walhart Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Xander Leo Tier 3, Few members of the class in question: Frederick Gunter Wolf Sedgar Daniela Arete Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Cain Abel Jagen Matthis Hardin Vyland Roshea Midia Frey Camus Robert Belf Reiden Cecil Roderick Luke Arran Sully Stahl Silas Peri Elise Dwyer Maribelle Sophie Siegbert Forrest Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Leo Tier 2, Second most: Elise Tier 3, Third most: Xander Tier 4, Fourth most: Frederick Sword-Fighter Spoiler Ogma Julian Rickard Samuel Navarre Phila Samson Astram Athena Caesar Radd Malice Lon'qu Gaius Gregor Olivia Anna Flavia Say'ri Owain Inigo Severa Yen'fay Priam Gangrel Ryoma Hinata Hana Fuga Hisame Soleil Zhara Sumeragi Laslow Selena Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Flavia Say'ri Yen'fay Gangrel Ryoma Fuga Sumeragi Tier 2, Relevant enough: Ogma Julian Astram Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Navarre Samson Owain Hinata Hana Laslow Selena Samuel Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Rickard Phila Athena Caesar Radd Malice Lon'qu Gaius Gregor Olivia Anna Inigo Severa Priam Hisame Soleil Zhara Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Yen'fay Priam Ryoma Sumeragi Astram Tier 3, Few members of the same class: Phila Olivia Anna Gangrel Fuga Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Ogma Julian Rickard Samuel Navarre Samson Athena Caesar Radd Malice Lon'qu Gaius Gregor Flavia Say'ri Owain Inigo Severa Hinata Hana Hisame Soleil Zhara Laslow Selena Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Lon'qu Tier 2, Second most: Gaius Tier 3, Third most: Anna Tier 4, Fourth most: Owain Archers Spoiler Gordin Ryan Castor Warren Jeorge Norne Jake Beck Tomas Clarisse Virion Noire Takumi Setsuna Niles Kiragi Nina Anna Candace Funke Senno Mikoto Midori Shura Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Jeorge Takumi Mikoto Tier 2, Relevant enough: Virion Kiragi Anna Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Clarisse Gordin Setsuna Niles Shura Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Ryan Castor Warren Norne Jake Beck Tomas Noire Nina Candace Funke Senno Midori Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Takumi Jeorge Jake Beck Mikoto Tier 3, Few members of the same class: Senno Midori Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Gordin Ryan Castor Warren Norne Tomas Clarisse Virion Noire Setsuna Niles Kiragi Nina Anna Candace Funke Shura Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Takumi Tier 2, Second most: Niles Tier 3, Third most: Anna Tier 4, Fourth most: Setsuna Axe-Guys Spoiler Bord Cord Barst Darros Dice Ymir Vaike Basilio Arthur Charlotte Rinkah Lloyd Llewelyn Tarba Kumagera Gazzak Hans Legion Libra Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Basilio Hans Tier 2, Relevant enough: Legion Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Arthur Rinkah Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Bord Cord Barst Darros Dice Ymir Vaike Charlotte Lloyd Llewelyn Tarba Kumagera Gazzak Libra Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Legion Libra Tier 3, Few members of the class in question: Rinkah Kumagera Ymir Basilio Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Bord Cord Barst Darros Dice Vaike Arthur Charlotte Lloyd Llewelyn Tarba Gazzak Hans Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Charlotte Tier 2, Second most: Rinkah Tier 3, Third most: Arthur Tier 4, fFourth most: Libra Knights and Lance-Guys Spoiler Draug Sheena Roger Horace Dolph Macellan Lang Lorenz Kellam Kjelle Raimi Effie Benny Ignatius Shiro Oboro Mozu Donnel Azura Hardin Cervantes Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Lang Lorenz Azura Hardin Tier 2, Relevant enough: Sheena Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Effie Shiro Oboro Draug Cervantes Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Roger Horace Dolph Macellan Kellam Kjelle Benny Ignatius Mozu Donnel Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Hardin Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Lorenz Azura Tier 3, Few members of the class: Shiro Oboro Donnel Mozu Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Draug Sheena Roger Horace Dolph Macellan Lang Kellam Kjelle Effie Benny Ignatius Cervantes Popularity: Tier 1, Most popular: Azura Tier 2, Second most: Donnel Tier 3, Third most: Oboro Tier 4, Fourth most: Kellam Fliers Spoiler Palla Catria Est Caeda Minerva Michalis Sumia Cordelia Cherche Aversa Cynthia Gerome Phila Hinoka Subaki Reina Scarlet Camilla Beruka Shigure Caeldori Percy Nichol Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Caeda Minerva Michalis Aversa Hinoka Camilla Tier 2, Relevant enough: Scarlet Shigure Palla Catria Est Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Sumia Cordelia Cherche Phila Reina Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Cynthia Gerome Subaki Beruka Caeldori Percy Nichol Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Aversa Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Reina Caeda Minerva Tier 3, Few members of the class in question: Camilla Nichol Michalis Phila Scarlet Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Palla Catria Est Sumia Cordelia Cherche Gerome Cynthia Subaki Hinoka Beruka Shigure Caeldori Percy Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Camilla Tier 2, Second most: Cordelia Tier 3, Third most: Hinoka Tier 4, Fourth most: Caeda Mages Spoiler Gharnef Etzel Tharja Henry Validar Odin Nyx Ophelia Kilma Iago Zola Jubelo Merric Linde Arlen Gotoh Wendell Nyna Katarina Frost Eremiya Boah Miriel Ricken Laurent Emmeryn Hayato Orochi Rhajat Izana Daichi Excellus Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Gharnef Validar Gotoh Nyna Emmeryn Izana Tier 2, Relevant enough: Iago Merric Linde Wendell Eremiya Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Arlen Odin Kilma Zola Jubelo Katarina Orochi Hayato Boah Excellus Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Etzel Tharja Henry Nyx Ophelia Frost Miriel Ricken Laurent Rhajat Daichi Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Gharnef Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Validar Iago Zola Merric Linde Gotoh Daichi Tier 3, Few members of the class in question: Etzel Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Tharja Henry Odin Nyx Ophelia Kilma Jubelo Arlen Wendell Nyna Katarina Frost Eremiya Boah Miriel Ricken Laurent Emmeryn Hayato Orochi Rhajat Izana Excellus Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Tharja Tier 2, Second most: Henry Tier 3, Third most: Ophelia Tier 4, Fourth most: Odin Shifters Spoiler Bantu Xane Tiki (Young) Nagi Panne Nowi Tiki (Old) Yarne Nah Kaden Keaton Selkie Velouria Lilith Rainbow Sage Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Tiki (Both) Lilith Tier 2, Relevant enough: Nagi Rainbow Sage Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Bantu Xane Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Panne Nowi Yarne Nah Kaden Keaton Selkie Velouria Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Xane Lilith Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Rainbow Sage Bantu Tier 3, Few members of the class: Panne Yarne Kaden Keaton Selkie Velouria Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Tiki (Both) Nowi Nagi Nah Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Nowi Tier 2, Second most: Tiki (Old) Tier 3, Third most: Selkie Tier 4, Fourth most: Tiki (Young) Foot Healers Spoiler Marisha Yuliya Maria Lena Elice Wrys Sakura Azama Mitama Lissa Brady Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Elice Sakura Lissa Tier 2, Relevant enough: Yuliya Maria Lena Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Azama Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Marisha Wrys Mitama Brady Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Tier 3, Few members of the class: Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Marisha Yuliya Maria Lena Elice Wrys Sakura Azama Mitama Lissa Brady Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Sakura Tier 2, Second most: Lissa Tier 3, Third most: Wrys Tier 4, Fourth most: Azama Hidden Weapons Spoiler Felicia Jakob Kaze Saizo Kagero Flora Yukimura Asugi Kotaro Relevancy (To the plot): Tier 1, Major villains and allies: Yukimura Tier 2, Relevant enough: Kotaro Flora Jakob Felicia Kaze Tier 3, Minor villains and allies: Saizo Kagero Tier 4, Very little, if any relevancy: Asugi Uniqueness: Tier 1, Unique weapon, starting class and appearance: Tier 2, Unique weapon and/or starting class and/or appearance: Jakob Yukimura Kotaro Tier 3, Few members of the class: Felicia Flora Tier 4, Dime a dozen: Kaze Saizo Kagero Asugi Popularity (Choose Your Legends): Tier 1, Most popular: Felicia Tier 2, Second most: Jakob Tier 3, Third most: Kaze Tier 4, Fourth most: Kagero As a tl;dr Horse-Riders top three: Leo - 9 points Walhart/Xander (8 points) Sword-Fighter top three: Yen'Fay/Ryoma/Sumeragi (7 points) Archers top three: Takumi (9 points) Jeorge/Mikoto (7 points) Axe-Guys top three: Legion/Basilio (6 points) Rinkah (5.5 points) Knights and Lance-Guys top three: Azura (9 points) Hardin (8 points) Lorenz (6 points) Fliers top three: Aversa/Camilla (8 points) Caeda (7.5 points) Mages top three: Gharnef (8 points) Gotoh/Validar (7 points) Shifters top three: Lilith (8 points) Tiki (Old) (6.5 points) Bantu/Xane/Rainbow Sage (6 points) Foot Healers top three: Sakura (7 points) Lissa (6.5 points) Elice (5 points) Hidden Weapons top three: Yukimura/Felicia (7 points) Jakob (6.5 points) And that's that. Have at the discussion, I'll update this if need be (And I probably will need to because I've likely messed up the tier-ing something fierce) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxon Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) I'd like to be idealistic and assume that the devs will take all of these metrics into account when choosing the roster but it seems like wishful thinking. I think popularity is absolutely going to be the deciding factor here above all else. I mean, can you imagine if Validar got into the game but Tharja didn't? There would be riots on the streets (or at least the forums)! Sure, Validar is much more important to the plot but someone like him isn't going to help the game sell, and at the end of the day sales are what matter. Not saying he specifically won't get in, but the priority will be to include the hyper popular characters like Camilla, Cordelia and unfortunately Tharja. ...Okay, cynicism aside... I think you did a good job categorizing these characters. I only opened up a few of those spoilers but nobody seemed particularly out of place in your tiers. I'm also half-asleep though so maybe I'm not the best judge right now. *shrug* How long did it take to put all this together anyways? Edited April 18, 2017 by Taxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaloDask Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Taxon said: I'd like to be idealistic and assume that the devs will take all of these metrics into account when choosing the roster but it seems like wishful thinking. I think popularity is absolutely going to be the deciding factor here above all else. I mean, can you imagine if Validar got into the game but Tharja didn't? There would be riots on the streets (or at least the forums)! Sure, Validar is much more important to the plot but someone like him isn't going to help the game sell, and at the end of the day sales are what matter. Not saying he specifically won't get in, but the priority will be to include the hyper popular characters like Camilla, Cordelia and unfortunately Tharja. ...Okay, cynicism aside... I think you did a good job categorizing these characters. I only opened up a few of those spoilers but nobody seemed particularly out of place in your tiers. I'm also half-asleep though so maybe I'm not the best judge right now. *shrug* At the very least Camilla's got her status as resident Malig Knight so it wouldn't be JUST about her popularity. Spoopy undead dragons are cool as shit. Cordelia's the one I REALLY hope they don't go with for a peg knight representative. Everything's just stacked against her being in the game, not least of all being Caeda, the true waifu supreme. With Tharja, at least they could use the excuse of Robin being in the game to push her up, but Cordelia's got no such connections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Druid Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I would add to your list the Dancer class. Dancers are gimmicky, and KOEI (the company behind the Musou games) loves a good gimmick character every once in a while. It's not a crowded class either, only having 10 characters that'll be able to function as this role (technically 9 but I can see Azura being lumped in with them). So the playing field will be Spoiler Feena Sylvia Lene Laylea Lara Lalum Ninian Tethys Olivia Azura Out of all of them, Azura and Ninian have the most plot relevance. Azura, Ninian, and Olivia are the only dancers available in echoes, with Olivia the only non-Blue unit. (she's red) So I would say these 3 have the highest chance of making it in. Ninian probably isn't as widely recognized as Olivia or Azura, but I believe she's well received by fans so they may include her. The others have a much smaller chance. Out of the remaining 7, I'd say Feena has the best chance; Feena is the FIRST dancer in the series and is from New Mystery, which was pretty popular in Japan I believe? Japanese fans are more of an influence than foreign fans, so Feena isn't out of the question. Sylvia is my next guess, because she could be just plain comedic relief and fanservice. She's gimmicky and pretty, so she works. And she's quotable too. "Ever seen a little girl with THESE before?" "I like it rough!" Plus the 1st Gen of FE4 is more popular in Japan than the 2nd Gen IIRC. The others... not so much. I would love Lene to be in this, since technically, she could be the strongest dancer out of all of them (with the right father and strong for her game). And since this a hack and slash, and she's the strongest, it makes sense. Her and Feena are true combat dancers (Olivia is arguably one, but since you have to reclass her in order to do so....hmm I'm not sure if it counts but it doesn't matter anyways) As for movesets, while they'll most likely have a sword, I would prefer if they had a more 'unconventional weapon' that way their moveset can be more dancer-like. Examples: Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaloDask Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Dandy Druid said: I would add to your list the Dancer class. Dancers are gimmicky, and KOEI (the company behind the Musou games) loves a good gimmick character every once in a while. It's not a crowded class either, only having 10 characters that'll be able to function as this role (technically 9 but I can see Azura being lumped in with them). The issue is that this just takes into account the 3/6 games we know are confirmed. Which leaves us with Azura, Olivia and Pheena, I lumped them in with the Lance/Sword guys respectively because there weren't enough to where I thought I could justify giving them their own category. Azura's a guarantee tbh, and I really hope they don't skip out. Olivia and Phina's got far less chance due to basically no relevance. I could see them getting in though under the guise of relations to other characters, or simply because Dancers would be interesting to stylise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tullus Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 I just want a balistician. Perhaps Anna and Jake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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