LSM Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Rakath said: In order to make each weapon type have a 'final form' it'd require a huge endgame class list (or a lot of specialized infantry classes with a generic cavalry and flyer list), but the game systems make that unneeded. For me it's not just the Axe, it's the whole traditional Axe Fighter-to-Beserker line's "high HP, high Strength" kind of kit. Marshalls, Weaponsmasters, Whispers, and Marksman don't really provide that type of growth, or potential class skills (like boosting Crit). If you want to keep a balance... maybe Beserkers as unisex, and Dark Fliers replaced by a unisex Malig Knight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakath Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 @LSM - Possible. I was going off what the games (past and present) gave me to interpret. The classes that are the most gender restrictive are cavalry healer, pegasus unit, and berserker. Having Hero be gender locked made me think where Hero goes (yes, leaping from Hero "promotes" to Berserker is a stretch, but not a big one). There are a lot of variables in play at the moment as to what is, or isn't a class. And the methodology of why, I explained which methodology I liked and followed it. But it's possible that the final class promotions are off of a different criteria, there isn't enough information to really figure out. My current hope is we're wrong about the total count of Expert classes and there are three rows (putting it at 13-18 instead of 7-12). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguard333 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 10:44 AM, Jakalak said: I wonder if they really plan to have only Peg knights as female exclusive, when males get 3 exclusive class lines. It’s kinda sad that the only brand new class we have seen so far is male locked. While it won’t hurt my enjoyment of the game since I’ll be playing male, it just seems strange to me that they would do that especially in the case of the hero class. Yeah; it is strange. I actually would have liked if classes remained entirely gender-neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayvee94 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 In Valentia, it's Mercenary -> Myrmidon. In Fodlan, it's "roughly" Myrmidon -> Mercenary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) So the site updated with all the advanced classes and it seems that warlock is gender neutral but males have dark bishop (aka sorcerer) while females have bishop Edited July 4, 2019 by Azz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHawlucha. Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Azz said: So the site updated with all the advanced classes and it seems that warlock is gender neutral but males have dark bishop (aka sorcerer) while females have bishop I don't think Bishop is female exclusive meanwhile Dark Bishop will probably be as it doesn't say it's female exclusive but says it requires mastery of the Dark Mage class so maybe we'll get like one female dark mage that can do it? Idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, HappyHawlucha. said: I don't think Bishop is female exclusive meanwhile Dark Bishop will probably be as it doesn't say it's female exclusive but says it requires mastery of the Dark Mage class so maybe we'll get like one female dark mage that can do it? Idk. If you look at the class options you can see males have sorc and no bishop whole it’s the opposite for females I’m on mobile rn and I can’t post oics so here’s the article with the class options Boop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHawlucha. Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Azz said: If you look at the class options you can see males have sorc and no bishop whole it’s the opposite for females I’m on mobile rn and I can’t post oics so here’s the article with the class options Boop I get it; it's the way that the website words it though; you are only allowed access to the Dark Bishop class if you've mastered Dark Mage; which makes it seem as though the Dark Bishop class just straight up won't appear on the certification menu if you've not mastered Dark Mage on that specific character. So both Warlock and Bishop are unlocked and visible for every character but only those who have mastered Dark Mage will have Dark Bishop visible on the certification tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, HappyHawlucha. said: I get it; it's the way that the website words it though; you are only allowed access to the Dark Bishop class if you've mastered Dark Mage; which makes it seem as though the Dark Bishop class just straight up won't appear on the certification menu if you've not mastered Dark Mage on that specific character. So both Warlock and Bishop are unlocked and visible for every character but only those who have mastered Dark Mage will have Dark Bishop visible on the certification tree. Oh you’re right I didn’t see that at first (again I’m on mobile and it doesn’t auto translate). Idk then, it’s weird. It’s also frustrating if that’s essentially another class locked to males tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSM Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 It's nice to see Ignatz modelling the Dark Bishop class. I was hoping he'd have a talent in Reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marros Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Hmm, wyvern riders need axes. Hopefully Claude is Neutral isn't weak them then. (I'd bet on him being neutral given the pattern of the other Lords Also of note is Advanced Classes requiring either an A in one skill or a B in two. Now if I'm doing my Math right based on the 'Skill Levels' page on the main site, you should be able to get any character to B-rank in any two skills within the academy phase, regardless of strengths, on weekly instruction alone. Following this chart of total Weapon xp required to get to the level Spoiler Rank Total E 0 E+ 40 D 100 D+ 180 C 300 C+ 460 B 680 B+ 960 A 1320 Assuming you pick two skills and stick to them, then your weapon xp progression should look something like this: Spoiler Week Weakness Neutral Strength E Strength E+ Strength D 0 0 0 0 40 100 1 24 28 32 72 132 2 48 56 64 104 164 3 72 84 96 136 196 4 96 112 128 168 228 5 120 140 160 200 260 6 144 168 192 232 292 7 168 196 224 264 324 8 192 224 256 296 356 9 216 252 288 328 388 10 240 280 320 360 420 11 264 308 352 392 452 12 288 336 384 424 484 13 312 364 416 456 516 14 336 392 448 488 548 15 360 420 480 520 580 16 384 448 512 552 612 17 408 476 544 584 644 18 432 504 576 616 676 19 456 532 608 648 708 20 480 560 640 680 740 21 504 588 672 712 772 22 528 616 704 744 804 23 552 644 736 776 836 24 576 672 768 808 868 25 600 700 800 840 900 26 624 728 832 872 932 27 648 756 864 904 964 28 672 784 896 936 996 29 696 812 928 968 1028 30 720 840 960 1000 1060 31 744 868 992 1032 1092 32 768 896 1024 1064 1124 33 792 924 1056 1096 1156 34 816 952 1088 1128 1188 35 840 980 1120 1160 1220 36 864 1008 1152 1192 1252 If you choose only one focus and the 50% bonus it provides, it's more like this: Spoiler Week Weakness Neutral Strength E Strength E+ Strength D 0 0 0 0 40 100 1 36 42 48 88 148 2 72 84 96 136 196 3 108 126 144 184 244 4 144 168 192 232 292 5 180 210 240 280 340 6 216 252 288 328 388 7 252 294 336 376 436 8 288 336 384 424 484 9 324 378 432 472 532 10 360 420 480 520 580 11 396 462 528 568 628 12 432 504 576 616 676 13 468 546 624 664 724 14 504 588 672 712 772 15 540 630 720 760 820 16 576 672 768 808 868 17 612 714 816 856 916 18 648 756 864 904 964 19 684 798 912 952 1012 20 720 840 960 1000 1060 21 756 882 1008 1048 1108 22 792 924 1056 1096 1156 23 828 966 1104 1144 1204 24 864 1008 1152 1192 1252 25 900 1050 1200 1240 1300 26 936 1092 1248 1288 1348 27 972 1134 1296 1336 1396 28 1008 1176 1344 1384 1444 29 1044 1218 1392 1432 1492 30 1080 1260 1440 1480 1540 31 1116 1302 1488 1528 1588 32 1152 1344 1536 1576 1636 33 1188 1386 1584 1624 1684 34 1224 1428 1632 1672 1732 35 1260 1470 1680 1720 1780 36 1296 1512 1728 1768 1828 It's possible strengths might be into A+ rank here, but I'm just going off what we know so far. Of course, the chart going to week 36 assumes we get a full 12 months with 3 weeks of instruction each. Given we start in the 'April' and Paralogues seem to expire in 'February' there's a real possibility we get less time to instruct (My bet is on ~30). Also, this is just weekly instruction, between Tutoring, Seminars, Group Tasks, and actually fighting, you should be well on your way to qualifying anyone for any advanced class of your choice before the war phase even starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayvee94 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I think we gonna need a summary on how fast each student is gonna qualify each class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timon Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Interesting that there are 3 different magic classes which at the end of the day are all just mages, I hope they can characterize them enough. Wyvern asking for axes means that unless you go spear+axe+flying that's not the supposed "logical" continuation of Pegasus, so I guess we'll get flying horse back next tier. Assassin holds sword the awkward way, I'm sad, Fortress looks a bit less dumb than past Armoured classes, but it's still dumb. Berserker has a big-ass spike on the shoulder, so I guess that's Alois' base class then. Also curious to see what they do with colour schemes, Sylvain is black as a paladin, but will every character have their own scheme in their supposed "standard" classes? Would be a way to tell "canon" classes. btw that's the page I'm talking about https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/anvya/pc/class/details.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝐅𝐞𝐧𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐥 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 ...i knew i had already seen that outfit before. i guess that's a nice reference to Genealogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastienSoul Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I wonder why they're treating the Dark Mage line so differently than other classes. My main worry about it is that the Warlock Abilities won't effect Dark Magic, which would be bad for Lysithea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 A bit dissapointed Dark Bishop is yet another male only class while Bishop is neutral. I feel like if they made Bishop female only it would be a bit more fair, but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakath Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 So with the full set of Advanced Classes visible I have a few more... notes. Edging toward theory but without enough evidence for me to call them theory per say. The Difference between Tier 3 and Tier 4 will be Minimal - So some classes seem to go Tier 1 > Tier 3 (in natural progressions like Myrm and Swordmaster), and others go 2 > 3 (Mercenary to Hero), and I figure 2 to 4 (Peg > Falco). That last one is unproven but a viable theory. I don't think there will be that many Tier 3 > 4 except for maybe Berserkers and Dragonriders. With mostly the Tier 4s being heavily specialized or in some way super busted (like Mounted Mages). Berserker is now Gauntlets - So Grappler and Pugilist both read like Berserker on a style/aesthetic level. The 'no shirt big weapon' thing. And the stat-line on Grappler is close enough to (not enough HP/Strength but has the Dex/Spd/Move) where I'd expect that if Berserker was an Advanced class, it'd fit for both a natural progression for Hero and Grappler. While keeping Berserker a gender protected class (as that is the one of two heavily protected classes). Dark Bishop makes me more sure of Valkyrie - The balance there seems pretty clear, a specialized magic class for boys and a specialized magic class for girls. The trade being that Valkyrie provides cavalry movement while Dark Mage/Bishop has some better stat growths and earlier access. A lack of Troubador to get there feels more about the fact that Troubadors having access to a weapon would be super broken without nuking their stat bar from high orbit. The one weakness of Troubadors in past games is they die really fast to, well, everything. But having healing magics, a weapon, and possibly good stats/gear would just be horrifyingly good right? Hero being gender-locked makes No Sense - So Peg Knight and Pirate (inc promotes) being gender locked are more about aesthetic natures than it is a specific gameplay need. Guys built more or less like slabs of beef without shirts, and pretty lithe ladies riding on magical horses with wings, that sort of thing. The Dark Mage split feels weird, but there are a few classes that can show up later to even this out (Dark Flyer or Valkyrie). This, however, makes no sense. Maybe it has to do with another class existing that's F-locked in Tier 4? But with what we know now I have no idea why this is a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marros Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) What annoys me is there's no Advanced class for females that specializes in Brawling. Hell, the only girl we've seen with a confirmed Strength in it is female Byleth. Catherine does teach Brawling for a Seminar though, so I'm holding out for her and at least one student (Looking at you Leonie.) Edited July 5, 2019 by Marros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayvee94 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 It is still possible that some advanced classes will have a boost in brawling despite not required to class change into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakath Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, Marros said: What annoys me is there's no Advanced class for females that specializes in Brawling. Hell, the only girl we've seen with a confirmed Strength in it is female Byleth. Catherine does teach Brawling for a Seminar though, so I'm holding out for her and at least one student (Looking at you Leonie.) 13 minutes ago, Jayvee94 said: It is still possible that some advanced classes will have a boost in brawling despite not required to class change into it. Given that Brigand is Axe/Fighting but only requires a proficiency in axes, it's likely Warrior is the same. It's also possible Swordmasters are Sword/Fighting (as that's the most reasonable and least silly secondary weapon for a Swordmaster to use). Sniper is in much the same space (although they could double up on Bow/Sword the way Archers do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynsanity Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Rakath said: Dark Bishop makes me more sure of Valkyrie - The balance there seems pretty clear, a specialized magic class for boys and a specialized magic class for girls. The trade being that Valkyrie provides cavalry movement while Dark Mage/Bishop has some better stat growths and earlier access. A lack of Troubador to get there feels more about the fact that Troubadors having access to a weapon would be super broken without nuking their stat bar from high orbit. The one weakness of Troubadors in past games is they die really fast to, well, everything. But having healing magics, a weapon, and possibly good stats/gear would just be horrifyingly good right? This is a good point, although for all we know the attack stat of magic-enabled classes is nuked from high orbit in this game anyway. The other things that would make it OP is white magic users having access to black magic, and mounted units having kanto. Put those together and a troubadour could basically be a kantoing valkyrie and bow knight combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterique Sign Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Since Pegasus Knights focus on Lances and have high Res, but Wyvern Riders focus on Axes an and have low Res I'm guessing that Wyvern Riders aren't supposed to be the Pegasus Knight progression. Also, since Pegasus Knight is grouped with the magic classes I wouldn't be surprises if Falcon Knights could use Faith (and Reason) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayvee94 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mysterique Sign said: Since Pegasus Knights focus on Lances and have high Res, but Wyvern Riders focus on Axes an and have low Res I'm guessing that Wyvern Riders aren't supposed to be the Pegasus Knight progression. Also, since Pegasus Knight is grouped with the magic classes I wouldn't be surprises if Falcon Knights could use Faith (and Reason) It's a good thing that one retains the high resistance when going from Pegasus to Wyvern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverArcher Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 46 minutes ago, HappyHawlucha. said: Sooo Ingrid appears to have a 3rd class skill from Pegasus Knight - so maybe we do get a new class skill by mastering a class? Someone pointed out that Ingrid has what appears to be a new class skill. If that is the case I going to guess it maybe lanceflare. Quote The Difference between Tier 3 and Tier 4 will be Minimal - So some classes seem to go Tier 1 > Tier 3 (in natural progressions like Myrm and Swordmaster), and others go 2 > 3 (Mercenary to Hero), and I figure 2 to 4 (Peg > Falco). That last one is unproven but a viable theory. I don't think there will be that many Tier 3 > 4 except for maybe Berserkers and Dragonriders. With mostly the Tier 4s being heavily specialized or in some way super busted (like Mounted Mages). I also feel that the 3rd and 4th tier won't be all that different especially when it comes to mounted units. If that new skill really is lance that may help the pegusus keep up with 3rd tier class especially since their is no direct promotion. To support this theory some units all recommends an A rank in weapons to promote while others a B rank in a weapon to promote. Even the A rank class specialize in a single weapon it is still a high requirement and quite a jump from the previous tier that need C rank. Also those class are described as a master of their trade. I think the class master skills will be skills that will at least be useful enough to keep using even if their is a higher tier available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cysx Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, SilverArcher said: Someone pointed out that Ingrid has what appears to be a new class skill. If that is the case I going to guess it maybe lanceflare. I was unwilling to believe it but, it's true that she deals a lot of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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