Johann Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I figured since everyone loves guessing who's gonna be in, we could have a little fun with it. Write up who you think will be in the game as either full characters, echoes, DLC, a general series rep prediction, or AT/boss. Based on how accurate your prediction is, we can assign points, and check out how it's looking with every reveal/direct. This is less about arguing who will be in the game and more about just having some low-stakes fun (try being the most wrong, it might be fun!). Let's break down the scoring and defining each group: Yes implies that the character is in, and appears in the capacity described. As an example, if you had guessed Ridley as a Newcomer, that'd be a Yes. No implies the character does not appear in any of the listed possibilities. A character who makes no appearance, or only appears as a trophy, for example, would be a No. Partial points can be awarded if they do appear in the game in another listed capacity. Newcomer: Character is revealed with its own number on the roster (not an echo) at launch. Partial points are awarded if the character is revealed to be an Echo or appears later on as DLC (echo or newcomer). No penalty if the character appears as an AT or boss. Echo: Character is revealed with ε symbol. Which character they are an echo of does not affect the score. Partial points if they are actually a full character, appear as DLC (echo or newcomer). No penalty if they appear as a boss or AT. New Rep: Any character from a specific series will appear in some capacity. This must be limited to a certain series, not a company, so saying "Final Fantasy character" is ok, but "Square Enix character" is not. This can be a series that already appears in the game (ie: "new pokemon"). You only get a point if this character is playable at launch (echo or newcomer). DLC: Character is eventually revealed to be playable, either as an echo or newcomer. No points are awarded if it's a series-wide guess. Scores will change over time due to DLC likely being a series of reveals over a long time. AT/Boss: Character is revealed to be an Assist Trophy or Boss (including both stage bosses like Metal Face, or seemingly Story Mode bosses like Rathalos appears to be). No penalty if the character appears in another capacity, including as DLC eventually. Pokemon from the Pokeball item also part of this category. Mii Costumes: Since we don't really know what's going on with those, I've decided not to count them for now, and if they return, a character who only appears as a costume would be a No. (?): For Newcomers and Echoes only, you can earn/lose half the points if you mark the characters with a ?, to show that you're not totally certain about their odds. Characters who end up appearing in a shared character slot will still get full score (ie: if you had guessed Charizard, who ended up being brought back in with Pokemon Trainer). You do not have to guess the entire roster. Please make a list using bullet points or numbers for easier reading, and include the character's series and the capacity they will appear in. Here's mine as an example: Elma (Xenoblade): Newcomer New Pokemon Rep Geno? (Mario): Newcomer Dixie Kong (DK): Newcomer Ken (Street Fighter): Echo of Ryu Shadow (Sonic): Echo of Sonic Impa (Zelda): Echo of Sheik Medusa (Kid Icarus): Echo of Palutena Heihachi (Tekken): DLC Rex (Xenoblade): DLC Black Knight (Fire Emblem): AT/Boss Dr. Robotnik (Sonic): AT/Boss Porky (EarthBound): AT/Boss Rayquaza (Pokemon): AT/Boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomalocaris Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I'll be pretty conservative in my predictions. Ken (Street Fighter): Echo New Pokemon Rep: Newcomer Rex (Xenoblade): DLC Newcomer Edelgard (Fire Emblem): DLC Newcomer Geno (Super Mario Bros.): DLC Newcomer I'm not going to try and predict future bosses, I sure as hell wouldn't have guessed Dracula or Rathalos. The Mashedpotato Samurai is very unpredictable with those. Also I wager there's only two remaining newcomers (Echo or otherwise) to be revealed for the base roster. Not just because of the box theory, but because it feels in-line with the remaining time to launch and Sakurai's previous statement about not expecting too many newcomers. If I'm correct, is that worth points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Anomalocaris said: Also I wager there's only two remaining newcomers (Echo or otherwise) to be revealed for the base roster. Not just because of the box theory, but because it feels in-line with the remaining time to launch and Sakurai's previous statement about not expecting too many newcomers. If I'm correct, is that worth points? Only if you guess who! You're at much lower risk of losing points for guessing a low number though, if that's any consolation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomalocaris Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Johann said: Only if you guess who! You're at much lower risk of losing points for guessing a low number though, if that's any consolation. I have my two newcomer guesses in my post. I was just wondering if the statement "we're only getting two more newcomers on the base roster" is worth points if correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Anomalocaris said: I have my two newcomer guesses in my post. I was just wondering if the statement "we're only getting two more newcomers on the base roster" is worth points if correct. Technically no, but you'd still end up scoring higher than anyone who guessed more than you by default, so it ends up working out the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) Ken (Street Fighter): Echo of RyuIncineroar (Pokemon): NewcomerGeno (Mario?): NewcomerShadow (Sonic the Hedgehog): Echo of SonicDixie Kong (Donkey Kong): DLC NewcomerSkull Kid (Zelda): DLC NewcomerWaluigi (Mario): DLC NewcomerLyn (Fire Emblem): DLC NewcomerIsaac (Golden Sun): DLC NewcomerElma (Xenoblade): DLC NewcomerFunky Kong (Donkey Kong): DLC Echo of Donkey KongMedusa (Kid Icarus): DLC Echo of PalutenaMs. Pac-Man (Pac-Man): DLC Echo of Pac-ManBlack Knight (Fire Emblem): AT/BossRayquaza (Pokemon): AT/BossPorky (Earthbound): AT/BossDr. Robotnik (Sonic the Hedgehog):AT/Boss Edited September 22, 2018 by Fire Emblem Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Fire Emblem Fan said: Geno (Mario?): Newcomer Just to clarify, are you marking Geno with the ? to say you're uncertain, or marking the Mario series with a ? to say you're not sure if he'd count as part of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Johann said: Just to clarify, are you marking Geno with the ? to say you're uncertain, or marking the Mario series with a ? to say you're not sure if he'd count as part of that? The latter, I'm uncertain if Geno counts as a Mario newcomer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) Ken (street fighter):Echo Fighter Shadow (Sonic): Echo Fighter New (not FF7) Square Enix character: Newcomer New Zelda rep: Newcomer Bandana Dee (Kirby): Newcomer Black Knight (Fire Emblem): DLC Echo Fighter Galacta Knight/Morpho Knight/Dark MetaKnight (Kirby): DLC Echo Fighter Hilda (Zelda) DLC Echo Fighter Impa (Zelda) DLC Echo Fighter Big Boss (Metal Gear Solid): DLC Echo Fighter Octolings (Splatoon): DLC Echo Fighter Jeanne (Bayonetta): DLC Echo Fighter James McCloud (StarFox): DLC Echo Fighter Dry Bowser (Mario): DLC Echo Fighter Ms Pac-Man: DLC Echo Fighter New Pikmin Echo Fighter: DLC Echo Fighter Plusle/Minun (Pokemon): DLC Echo Fighter Rex/Pyra/Both (Xenoblade): DLC Newcomer New ARMS rep: DLC Newcomer Echo Fighter of the new ARMS rep: DLC Echo Fighter Edelgard (Fire Emblem): DLC Newcomer Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong): DLC Newcomer. Sylux (Metroid): DLC Newcomer Banjo & Kazooie (Banjo Kazooie):DLC Newcomer Heihachi Mishima (Tekken): DLC Newcomer I still think they'll get realllly crazy with Echo Fighters as post-release DLC the way they got crazy with the 36 Mii Fighter outfits in Smash 4. And I just slammed down a few half baked ideas for echo fighters since only Sakurai knows the true definition of an echo fighter and it's hard for me to come up with fully satisfying ideas when the definition is always changing with each new example. Edit: Oh I forgot to put down boss predictions: Death Egg Robot (Sonic) Grima (Fire Emblem) Metroid Prime (Metroid) Magalor (Kirby) Scornet Maestro (Pikmin) Cragalanche (Kid Icarus) Edited September 22, 2018 by Glennstavos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Base Roster Newcomers Geno Incineroar (unfortunately) Isaac Base Roster Echo Fighters Ken (Ryu) Shadow (Sonic) Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong) DLC Newcomers Isaac Elma Edelgard Rex & Pyra/Mithra Banjo & Kazooie Crash Bandicoot Spyro Lloyd Irving Heihachi Mishima Spring Man DLC Echo Fighters Zack (Cloud) Jeanne (Bayonetta) Ms. Pac Man (Pac Man) Gardevoir (Mewtwo) Octolings (Inklings) AT/Boss Black Knight Rayquaza Porky Dr. Robotnik Hades Medusa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Oh yeah, I'd also add Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot): DLC Newcomer to my list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSSKG151 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) Suppose I will join in as well. Can't wait to see how much I get wrong. Pokemon Gen 7 Rep: Newcomer Elma or Cross (Xenoblade X): Newcomer Terra Branford (Final Fantasy): Newcomer Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country): Newcomer Excitebiker (Excitebike): Newcomer Shadow (Sonic): Echo Fighter of Sonic Jack Frost (Shin Megami Tensei): DLC New Rep Springman (ARMS): DLC Rep New Fire Emblem Rep: DLC Newcomer Eevee (Pokemon): DLC Newcomer Rex (Xenoblade 2): DLC Newcomer Phoenix Wright (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney): DLC Newcomer KOS-MOS (Xenosaga): AT Duster (Mother 3): AT Azura (Fire Emblem): AT Caeda (Fire Emblem): AT Black Knight (Fire Emblem): AT/Boss Grima (Fire Emblem): Boss Zygarde (Pokemon): Boss Death Egg Robot (Sonic the Hedgehog): Boss Phantoon (Metroid): Boss Beast Ganon (Legend of Zelda): Boss Petey Piranha (Super Mario): Boss King Boo (Luigi's Mansion): Boss Sephiroth (Final Fantasy): Boss Edited: Added Phoenix Wright to my list Edited October 3, 2018 by NSSKG151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, NSSKG151 said: Duster (Mother 3): AT Oh yeah, that was one I had in mind a while back. I recall there being rumors of a Duster AT back in Brawl during the demo days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSSKG151 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 17 hours ago, Johann said: Oh yeah, that was one I had in mind a while back. I recall there being rumors of a Duster AT back in Brawl during the demo days. I vaguely remember rumors and leaks for Brawl outside the ones concerning Geno, Bowser Jr and Cloud. The only reason I think Duster could be an AT is because the rest of Ness' and Lucas' main party members are shown in Ultimate one way or another. Plus I could see him being another AT that can chase down foes by trapping them with wall staples and then walking up and kicking but can still be KO'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, NSSKG151 said: I vaguely remember rumors and leaks for Brawl outside the ones concerning Geno, Bowser Jr and Cloud. The only reason I think Duster could be an AT is because the rest of Ness' and Lucas' main party members are shown in Ultimate one way or another. Plus I could see him being another AT that can chase down foes by trapping them with wall staples and then walking up and kicking but can still be KO'd. Yeah, I was thinking the same exact thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) Yeah throwing staples that pin characters to the ground is perfect for Duster. I could also see him being one of the non-combat ATs where he runs over to each ledge on a stage and builds staple ladders that can assist your recovery until they disappear. The only problem with that idea is the existence of stages that have no ledges, such as Tortimer Island. Edited September 23, 2018 by Glennstavos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book Bro Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) 1. Ken (Street Fighter): echo 2. Incineroar (Pokemon): newcomer 3. Elma (Xenoblade): newcomer 4. New Square Enix character: newcomer 5. Isaac (Golden Sun): newcomer 6. Shadow (Sonic): echo 7. Medusa (Kid Icarus): echo 8. Dixie (DK): DLC echo 9. Rex and Pyra (Xenoblade): DLC newcomer 10. Malos (Xenoblade): DLC echo 11. Pokemon DLC newcomer 12. Pokemon DLC echo 13. Heihachi (Tekken): DLC newcomer 14. Jack Frost (SMT): DLC newcomer 15. Impa (Zelda): DLC echo 16. ARMS DLC newcomer Edited September 25, 2018 by Book Bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSSKG151 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) Ack, just realized I totally forgot to put Phoenix Wright in as a DLC newcomer on my list. I'm going to go edit my previous post and add him in if that's not a problem. Edited October 3, 2018 by NSSKG151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 yeah go for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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