Defeatist Elitist Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 What if someone dissed your dead mom and the other guy won't shut up about it? Just ignore him? Or ask him if he has a point? Then call him worthless. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 What if someone dissed your dead mom and the other guy won't shut up about it? That isn't a debate though, that's just an insult. That person is trying to bother you, not trying to prove his point. In a debate it's both sides trying to prove a point. Not always does the "if you attack me, I win," idea work however, as people have killed off entire groups of people for thinking an idea, thus keeping that idea in a silence. Sure your idea may eventually be accepted as right, but really you lost the battle if you're dead. You may win the war in the end, but still. That's only in rare instances though, so I would say that yes, people who can't prove their point either resort to petty insults which have nothing to do with the discussion, or violence. Which really if you think about sounds rather dumb at times, even in insult situations. Example: Person 1: You're stupid. Person 2: WHAT!? HE CALLED ME STUPID!? I'LL SHOW HIM! -Person 2 beats up Person 1- Person 2: There, now he knows how smart I am, even though that took little thinking, and I still have a 1.5GPA! That's about how dumb people look when they resort to violence. Violence in that situation is basically admitting the other person is right, so you have to silence them from telling more people, which is a form of terrorism also. Using fear to prevent them from spreading their words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Tyler Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 As long as I believe what I am standing up for is right and is for the good of the person or people, I really do not care what people would think of me on the subject. I;m not all for getting physical for my believes because that basically saying to you and that person who can't prove a point with words or intellect but if somebody want to throw down for a fight, I'm only fighting to defend myself, not what I believe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 That isn't a debate though, that's just an insult. That person is trying to bother you, not trying to prove his point. In a debate it's both sides trying to prove a point.Not always does the "if you attack me, I win," idea work however, as people have killed off entire groups of people for thinking an idea, thus keeping that idea in a silence. Sure your idea may eventually be accepted as right, but really you lost the battle if you're dead. You may win the war in the end, but still. That's only in rare instances though, so I would say that yes, people who can't prove their point either resort to petty insults which have nothing to do with the discussion, or violence. Which really if you think about sounds rather dumb at times, even in insult situations. Example: Person 1: You're stupid. Person 2: WHAT!? HE CALLED ME STUPID!? I'LL SHOW HIM! -Person 2 beats up Person 1- Person 2: There, now he knows how smart I am, even though that took little thinking, and I still have a 1.5GPA! That's about how dumb people look when they resort to violence. Violence in that situation is basically admitting the other person is right, so you have to silence them from telling more people, which is a form of terrorism also. Using fear to prevent them from spreading their words. I just want to point out that GPA isn't really a great indicator of intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Both... sort of. It's not because I "don't wanna get involved", just that some people are so stubborn that I don't see the point in trying. That's kinda what I am like, except sometimes I'll be ten times as stubborn as the person I'm trying to convince so uh...yeah... I guess I kinda do stand up. Maybe. Sorta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 I just want to point out that GPA isn't really a great indicator of intelligence. Was that even worth criticizing? It was a dramatization, it wasn't meant to be accurate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Was that even worth criticizing? It was a dramatization, it wasn't meant to be accurate... Why dramatize something if you're not going to be accurate about it? It is, after all, supposed to be an example supporting your case, right? Also, it's a common misconception, so I felt it necessary to point out that a low GPA doesn't mean someone is stupid, since you were implying that Person 2 was an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Why dramatize something if you're not going to be accurate about it? It is, after all, supposed to be an example supporting your case, right? Also, it's a common misconception, so I felt it necessary to point out that a low GPA doesn't mean someone is stupid, since you were implying that Person 2 was an idiot. I don't think it was that all important, but say whatever you like. That's why it's a DRAMATIZATION, it's over exaggerating something. I'm well aware that GPA does not show how smart you are, however if you REALLY think about it, person 2 IS an idiot, because he thinks his low GPA indicates how dumb he is. Thus making the misconception. Edited November 26, 2008 by Cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) I stand up for the fact that nothing should censored... EVER! waits to get arguments thrown back like crazy I HATE how things get censored. I'm sure you've seen One Piece or other 4kids anime where it censors stuff. It's so annoying! I also hate how things on late night comedy central and adult swim are censored! WHY ARE THE CENSORED! Everyone who's watching that stuff shouldn't be caring about language or nudity or drugs or anything like that, so why the hell is it censored? MOST of us are adult enough to handle that shit and if they're not they shouldn't be watching it in the first place Kids channels should only play kids stuff that doesn't need censoring and leave the other shows that need some censorship to an older kids network like cartoon network (because they need the good shows right now) I hate, hate, HATE anime censorship from japanese to american. Goddammit, that pisses me off so much. It makes us seem like pussies, like we can't handle that stuff... ugh... That's my censorship rant. I could go on, but I'll wait for arguments because I know they'll be coming Edited November 26, 2008 by CGV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I don't think censorship has anything to do with the topic, but I agree. I also hate how they dumb down games for us Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I don't think it was that all important, but say whatever you like.That's why it's a DRAMATIZATION, it's over exaggerating something. I'm well aware that GPA does not show how smart you are, however if you REALLY think about it, person 2 IS an idiot, because he thinks his low GPA indicates how dumb he is. Thus making the misconception. There's no such thing as an overexaggeration. You either exaggerate or you don't. And if that's the way you want to defend it, fine. I didn't think you were going to get all riled up about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLSothe Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 It depends, I suppose. I'll take a stand, if needed. *Points at his topic* But I don't exactly like confrontations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted November 26, 2008 Author Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) There's no such thing as an overexaggeration. You either exaggerate or you don't.And if that's the way you want to defend it, fine. I didn't think you were going to get all riled up about it. I'm not, I'm just saying that you really don't need to nitpick about the issue. As for censorship, they give the excuse that it protects today's kids. Really though, I think that's supposed to be the parents job. Edited November 26, 2008 by Cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Kilvas Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I'm both...I guess. It really depends on the situation. But I also try to avoid confrontation and/or conflict at all costs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLSothe Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I'm both...I guess. It really depends on the situation. But I also try to avoid confrontation and/or conflict at all costs... Most of my friends are like that--hence why I am so confrontational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deity Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I dont get involved with such matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Judy Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) I don't get involved in these types of situations =/ Unless if I am affected by it, then I will share my opinion but...I do keep in mind when and how to express how I feel about something. Overall... I only get involved if I get something out of it in return. Edited November 28, 2008 by Luxord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonri Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Always. I'm a very opininated person, and always speak out against the irrational and the stupid. I have a reputation for arguing with teachers, when they say something I disagree with or is wrong. Dying for your opinions, however? No. Living for them is of.ten more effective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom103 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 One teenager can't make a difference or change an opinion, no matter how smart you are it just wont happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Hero Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 I do, but sometimes people are just idiots and talking will never get a point across to them. I have tons of willpower, but I'm just too lazy to do anything, sadly. I blame video games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YokaiKnight Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 One teenager can't make a difference or change an opinion, no matter how smart you are it just wont happenWhat makes you so sure of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 What makes you so sure of that? I disagree as well. Maybe a stereotypical apathetic teen would not be much of an opinion changer, but an informed one might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 One teenager can't make a difference or change an opinion, no matter how smart you are it just wont happen You haven't read enough Lord of the Rings. :P Remember, even the smallest person can change the fate of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 I generally take a stand for things only if it affects me personally. That's not my ethic, exactly, but it's what I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 You haven't read enough Lord of the Rings. :P Remember, even the smallest person can change the fate of the world. Only in fiction does it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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