Perkilator Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I am hoping for more visual and musical variety but other than that, this actually looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair General Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I can't believe that they're charging 60 bucks for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 A lot of what I immediately think to critique comes down to just how representative this is to normal gameplay, and the answer is we don't know. There's no UI elements, no enemies in this footage. No perceivable objective beyond some light puzzle solving. No NPCs. And even if this is strictly a demo of showing off Sonic's movement and traversal abilities, there's some jank going on. What in the world broke this box at 0:52? And this jump at 1:18 makes me really tense to watch. Because like any non 2D sonic, I have no idea what sorts of gaps Sonic can clear based on his current velocity. It's an extremely vague mental math that you can only ever master through multiple playthroughs. Now that it's an open world beneath every missed jump instead of a kill zone, you can end up having to repeat entire minutes of platforming after a missed jump. Hopefully if the game doesn't detect ground nearby below you as you fall it just whites out and spawns you back up there. The obvious game design answer is to give Sonic one uniform air velocity for any jump made while holding forward on the control stick, and a second, faster velocity for jumps made while boosting. So many 3D platformers have arrived at similar answers to this, why hasn't Sonic Team? Probably because platforming is largely matched to the on rails experience of 3D Sonic games. How do you cross this gap? Homing attack these floating enemies, obviously. How much velocity do you need to homing attack? Zero. You need zero platforming skill to perform these (functional) QTEs. If there's one thing I hope they're not showing yet, it's NPCs. I hope this isn't actually some abandoned island with only automatron enemies to interact with. Now I'm not saying dump Sonic's annoying friends into the game, I'm just saying don't make this the lonely game that I'm looking at right now. Where the only signs of life I have are Sonic soft grunts with each jump. The baseline, generic complaint people will have of any open world game, regardless of quality, is that it's a lifeless world with no incentives to explore beyond waypoints and map markers. The only way this can end up a good game is by addressing these two objectives from the outset of development: A) Make it fun to move around as Sonic and B) Give us reasons to move around as Sonic. They're partway there on Point A, but Point B is a major question mark. Also I saw this tweet last night and it's a fun observation. 6 minutes ago, Armchair General said: I can't believe that they're charging 60 bucks for this. Hey now, Sega actually charged 40 for Sonic Forces to avoid this precise comment. So you never know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 This is nowhere near ready for release, and I'm continually amazed that Sonic is still relevant. No other non-licensed franchise could survive having more bad games than good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair General Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Zapp Branniglenn said: Hey now, Sega actually charged 40 for Sonic Forces to avoid this precise comment. So you never know! That's almost an reasonable price, for that game. 14 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said: and I'm continually amazed that Sonic is still relevant. No other non-licensed franchise could survive having more bad games than good ones. I have an few explanations why people keep buying the games, but you guys probably won't believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 Thinking about it some more, I think they should’ve gone for a more Sonic Adventure approach, with the hub world being open with levels sprinkled throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netsquire Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Ignoring the obvious lack of polish, something about this gameplay just felt a bit too slow for my taste. If you put the video at 1.5x speed it looks way cooler and more fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 I know this game…doesn’t exactly look super great, but I feel this needs to be said: I’m not gonna dictate whether or not people think Frontiers looks good or bad. But it’s not like they won’t fix however many issues they can before release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair General Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Perkilator said: But it’s not like they won’t fix however many issues they can before release. Well, you only get one chance at making an first impression; and if you waste it, then people have an right to call you out. But at any rate, here's IGN showcasing the combat. Can't say that I'm blown away by it, but it's an nice change of pace compared to what I grew up with. Edited June 3, 2022 by Armchair General Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 More screenshots arrived and they actually look great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Here's IGN's latest video. The footage isn't necessarily new, but there are new details in the commentary, like how the story premise is Sonic, Tails, and Amy getting Isekai'd into this world. Or how fighting enemies give you experience for some kind of skill tree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samz707 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Yeah it looks pretty bad. Also the "The Skill Tree will improve it" argument isn't one, I hate forced-in skill trees, which is what the vast majority of them feel like in my experience, so I really doubt that'll make the game good if your argument is the "Combat isn't bad! Sonic just starts weak!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) The game’s gone gold In case you guys weren’t sure, reception to every playable build and trailer since…this fucking disaster of an early build has been a lot more positive. The team also threw in a free Monster Hunter DLC outfit. Edited October 22, 2022 by Perkilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Brand Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 DLC from a Capcom IP? Well that's...unexpected. Mega Man DLC when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝐍𝐲𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐥 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 How Sonic is STILL relevant after all of these stinkers is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanty Pete's 1st Mate Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 5:22 PM, Lord_Brand said: DLC from a Capcom IP? Well that's...unexpected. Mega Man DLC when? Or Ace Attorney. Sonic already has the right hairstyle and color scheme to be Phoenix Wright! As to the game itself... I'm "wait and see". Probably not gonna get it even if it's good, since I haven't kept up with Sonic since the Gamecube era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Brand Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) I've followed the games, but the only one I've played since Riders: Zero Gravity are Dash and Mania. Though honestly, I'd say the Hedgehog's games have improved over the past ten years. Yeah, I know Rise of Lyric and Forces aren't considered that great, but even they at least look better than 06 and the Rivals and Rush titles, to say nothing of the writing (Rivals' writing is horrendous even by Sonic game standards, and Rush Adventures' is scarcely better). Sonic may not be at his all-time high, but he's certainly not at his all-time low, either. Edited November 2, 2022 by Lord_Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 Okay so not really gameplay, but SEGA just released an animated short titled “Divergence” centered around Knuckles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 Reviews are in and they’re mostly positive (with one exception, according to this tweet): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Brand Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) I'm guessing Digital Trends is full of those kinds of reviewers who look for any excuse to bash a game for the sake of controversy and thus exposure. Basically the kinds of people who say "There are no good games, only bad games and worse games (except those we're paid to praise)." So, I wouldn't take their input into account. Honestly, I'd give YouTube gamer reviews more credit. Edited November 7, 2022 by Lord_Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etrurian emperor Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Apparently the writers address and try to fix the character assassination poor Tails went through in the previous few games. That's good since Forces especially did him very dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Brand Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) They also rerailed Knuckles big time with the prologue, "Divergence". Just looking at clips makes me realize how awesome a new Sonic anime could be. Edited November 8, 2022 by Lord_Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 We just got a DLC roadmap for the game. And believe it or not, all of this is totally free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkilator Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 Frontiers sold 2.5 million copies in just a month, which I think is the fastest selling Sonic game since Sonic 2 on Genesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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