riariadne Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) geez dont flip out guys! edit: i just know somebody's going to argue about ephraim(eph)'s placement... edit 2: um, hello? hello??????????????????????? where are you guys? Edited December 26, 2008 by Sniper Unleashed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted December 27, 2008 Author Share Posted December 27, 2008 If you guys aren't insulting this tier list, then it must be fabulous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fia Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Or pretty much this tier is dead already. >_> I think most of us already forgot about this thread. ._. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I'd put L'Arachel lower, but I've already explained why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Well, here's the tier list as according to Gamefaqs, so, debate away my fine friends! God Tier Colm Seth Eph. Route Ephraim Franz Moulder Tethys High Tier Vanessa Lute Eir. Route Gerik Eph. Route Cormag Natasha Eir. Route Eirika Artur Eph. Route Duessel Upper-Middle Tier Kyle Eir. Route Ephraim Gilliam Joshua Forde Tana Neimi Eir. Route Innes Lower-Middle Tier Eph Route Gerik Garcia Ross Eir. Route Saleh Eph. Route Eirika Eir. Route Cormag Rennac Amelia/Eir. Route Marisa L' Arachel Low Tier Eir. Route Duessel Dozla Myrrh Eph. Route Saleh Eph. Route Innes Eph. Route Marisa Bottom Tier Knoll Syrene Ewan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Three tier lists for one game....hm.... Why are Amelia and Eir. Marisa in the same spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Maybe the dudes on Gamefaqs reached a stalemate on those two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Yeah L'Arachel needs to be lower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Hero Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Well, here's the tier list as according to Gamefaqs, so, debate away my fine friends!God Tier Colm No. Seth Eph. Route Ephraim Franz Moulder Tethys Lol no. High Tier Vanessa Lute Eir. Route Gerik Eph. Route Cormag Natasha Lol no. Eir. Route Eirika Artur Eph. Route Duessel Upper-Middle Tier Kyle Eir. Route Ephraim Gilliam Joshua Forde Tana Neimi Kind of fragile, though. Eir. Route Innes Lower-Middle Tier Eph Route Gerik Garcia Ross Eir. Route Saleh Eph. Route Eirika Eir. Route Cormag Rennac LOWER. Amelia/Eir. Route Marisa L' Arachel Lowerrrrr Low Tier Eir. Route Duessel Dozla You missed Myrrh Eph. Route Saleh He's actually pretty good. Eph. Route Innes Eph. Route Marisa Bottom Tier Knoll Syrene Ewan Higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanibomb Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Knoll is the absolute worst character in the game. He should be the only one in the bottom tier, since Ewan and Syrene are actually useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) I would argue that Knoll > Ewan because he's at least somewhat usable when he enters. Saleh should be higher than low-mid from Ephraim's route. Colm should be lower in the Top tier, or even in High. There's not much to steal in this game so all there is is that lockpick utility... Edited January 1, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Buyable Chest Keys and tons of Door Keys available as well as Unlock Staves being buyable really hurts Colm's case too much. He's also shit at combat. I don't know what Neimi is doing in Upper Mid, but Colm 100% needs her to be any good at anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanibomb Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I would argue that Knoll > Ewan because he's at least somewhat usable when he enters. True, but his skill, luck, and defense are almost nonexistant and his only good stat is magic. He is useless on the front lines until he promotes, and even then he's really fragile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) Remember, this tier list is about how fast and efficiently you can get through the game. Also, if you want to see the arguments for all these tier positions, go to page 47 of the Gamefaqs Sacred Stones message board. If you don't see it then, keep going till page 55. If you still don't find it, then you must've missed it. Edited January 1, 2009 by FionordeQuester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intoner Two Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Maybe the dudes on Gamefaqs reached a stalemate on those two... *reads rest of topic* can we all agree that 'the dudes on Gamefaqs' are rather biased and foolish then? -also Ewan really should be higher as he's the quintessential Est archetype in this game; even w/o abuse there's no reason he can't become even slightly useful; but yeah this is just my opinion- oh well, I suppose I am pretty bias too <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanibomb Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Remember, this tier list is about how fast and efficiently you can get through the game. Also, if you want to see the arguments for all these tier positions, go to page 47 of the Gamefaqs Sacred Stones message board. If you don't see it then, keep going till page 55. If you still don't find it, then you must've missed it. You can get through this game fast and efficiently with any character - with or without Knoll (better without). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) reads rest of topic* can we all agree that 'the dudes on Gamefaqs' are rather biased and foolish then? -also Ewan really should be higher as he's the quintessential Est archetype in this game; even w/o abuse there's no reason he can't become even slightly useful; but yeah this is just my opinion- oh well, I suppose I am pretty bias too Wait a minute, you read the whole Gamefaqs topic? Edited January 2, 2009 by FionordeQuester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) Ok, guys, before we do any debating, I want everyone to read the Gamefaqs reasoning that went behind this because believe it or not, the board wasn't always the noob infested place that it is today, some of the debaters were actually fairly intelligent, and I just want to make sure that we read their arguments just to make sure there isn't something important that we're missing.... http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage....;topic=44544992 Edited January 2, 2009 by FionordeQuester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 True, but his skill, luck, and defense are almost nonexistant and his only good stat is magic. He is useless on the front lines until he promotes, and even then he's really fragile.Ewan has every stat non existent when he enters.PROTIP: 35% is actually an average speed growth. That's not quite "non existent" if you ask me. 70% HP is also considered good. His Def and Luck suffer but... below Ewan? Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intoner Two Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Wait a minute, you read the whole Gamefaqs topic? yeah kinda, this 'light reading' isn't much though, I once read through an entire 40 page topic on this one board (different forum) which was discussing and testing codes/hack for Tales of the Abyss -quite an experience- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanibomb Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Ewan has every stat non existent when he enters.PROTIP: 35% is actually an average speed growth. That's not quite "non existent" if you ask me. 70% HP is also considered good. His Def and Luck suffer but... below Ewan? Come on. Ewan has the potential to be a good character, though. Knoll doesn't. Knoll comes late with nothing going for him. By the time you get him, you should already have some good magic users i.e. Lute, Artur, Saleh, Moulder, Natasha, etc. And even if you do plan on using him, he could hardly double any enemies, even with Flux, and any other Dark tome would weigh him down way too much. But this is FE8, so any character is usable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Ewan has the potential to be a good character, though. Knoll doesn't.So? Ewan still takes a lot of work to become a good character. A lot to the point where he has no stats.Knoll comes late with nothing going for him. By the time you get him, you should already have some good magic users i.e. Lute, Artur, Saleh, Moulder, Natasha, etc. And even if you do plan on using him, he could hardly double any enemies, even with Flux, and any other Dark tome would weigh him down way too much.So? He can weaken a couple enemies here and there and probably kill a few monsters in the forthcoming monster maps. What can Ewan do when he comes? Pretty much nothing.And the "you already have some good magic users" argument applies to Ewan, pretty much. It's irrelevant but matters for both if you're going that route. But this is FE8, so any character is usable. This nulls the tier list. This argument is kind of moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonez Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Knoll>Ewan. Useful at some point in the game>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) 3/0 Shaman Ewan 9.5 atk, 9.5 AS, 16.8 hit, 2.8 crit - - 29.0 avo, 21.0 hp, 2.5 def, 9.0 res, 10.0 critavo 10/0 Shaman Knoll 12.0 atk, 8.0 AS, 17.8 hit, 4.3 crit - - 16.0 avo, 21.0 hp, 2.0 def, 10.0 res, 0.0 critavo This is being extremely generous to Knoll level-wise, and if anything Ewan is winning here (2.5 atk + .5 def vs 1.5 AS + 13 avo + everything else). And from here Ewan grows a lot faster. Obviously Ewan has some suck on his track, but 10 trainee levels + 3 normal ones is nothing compared to the immense suck both are facing. Ewan > Knoll Edited January 1, 2009 by Mekkah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) minor correction but Knoll's base is level 9, not 10 so your numbers are overall slightly off. Moving on, I can see how he can level up from a Trainee but I have a hard time believing he'll get to Level 3 as a Shaman... Edited January 1, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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