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17 minutes ago, Armagon said:
Yeah, that's because it's the current trend. The older FEs pulled from tropes that were more popular back then. In 10 yeas maybe, when the new popular anime tropes start to show up, FE's gonna pull from those. It's just something unavoidable.
That being said, i do agree that if the game focuses entirely on tropes, then that's when it becomes an issue. I'm not looking for subversion of tropes or anything. FE16 could use all the anime tropes in existence but as long as the actual writing is good, there won't really be an issue.
Well Slumber took the words out of my mouth.
In response to the second part, I don't think it's possible to create a good story using all or most anime tropes. I think "anime" is like candy in the sense that it can taste good but it doesn't provide any real substance.
1 hour ago, Slumber said:I said in the other thread that it's more "lowest common denominator" than "anime".
I agree that calling it "anime" is just another way of calling it "bad". However, while Fire Emblem being Japanese, and obviously being influenced by other Japanese media including anime, the more recent FE games have been pulling from the parts of anime that most people who aren't into anime tend to hate about anime. Hence why it's just boiled down to "anime".
Even as somebody who does like anime, the places Fire Emblem is going is the type of shit that keeps me from ever saying "Oh yeah, I like anime" in public. It's just downright embarrassing in a lot of ways. And when it comes to Fire Emblem, I'd probably never feel embarrassed playing any of the GBA FEs in a public setting. I'd probably feel embarrassed playing Fates in public, even though I like Fates(Conquest, at least) more than Binding Blade and Sacred Stones.
Excellent post. The whole playing in public thing resonates especially well with me, lol.
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23 minutes ago, Armagon said:
Fire Emblem has always been anime, no matter how you look at it. It's just, as of late, people seem to use the the word "anime" in a negative way, like "oh, this game is too anime". Does it use tropes that have more presence in Japanese media? Yes......because that's where it's from.
We must make a distinction between anime and "anime". Technically, any cartoon is anime because it's just the Japanese word for animation. Those tropes we think about when we say "anime" are unique, and are not omnipresent in the media whether in literal sense or in the notion of anime being exclusively Japanese cartoons. The problem is, what do we call it? Is there a true name for it? "Anime" is too broad and very generalizing but it's all we have now.
Modern FE gets flack because it does possess tropes that the older games lack.
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22 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:
Many JRPGs say organized religion is evil and others yet say religion is something humanity should evolve to no longer need.
I understand this. Never looked at Gaiden like that before
22 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:And Rudolf's plan- unite the world via force to defeat a true evil, or let someone able to defeat me do it- finds a copy in Bian Zoldark of Super Robot Wars. I've only played the Original Generation games, but assuming his ideological plans were the exact same in 2nd Super Wars, published in 1991, a year before FE Gaiden, then Rudolf must be anime, because SRW is totally anime.
Nice to know where that might have came from. Kaga does admit to taking inspiration from other works on his blog, so this could be true.
22 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:As for Genealogy, its character designs, so it is said, is derived from anime of the time (somebody else can do the side by side FE4-period anime image comparisons). Also, it is outright stated that Genealogy's two generations was half derived from horse racing, half from dating sims, and dating sims are anime-ish.
This is why I wanted to know what "anime" exactly means. I wouldn't immediately question a games status as "anime" based off of an artstyle alone, unless they have those MASSIVE eyes. In regards to the romantic aspect, there's a huge difference between character-character romance and avatar-character romance. It's way less cringy with the former, and it's actually tied heavily into the plot unlike the games that come after it.
22 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:FE10- Again, godslaying is anime.
I'd agree with this more if we actually saw Ashera's influence. She's practically non-existent until Part 4 of RD. This doesn't feel like a dismantling of ideas or tradition, she's just the thing that forces your playable characters to work together.
22 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:How is Ninian Special Amnesiac Mystery Fragile Girl, not anime? And what of Florina, "Miss Eek Men Scare Me! Lynnnnnn!"?
Are these things? I wonder if Florina's fear of men is more than just a quirk.... Perhaps there's something darker?
22 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:I'm so glad they opted out of that.
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15 minutes ago, Dragoncat said:
What do you expect from a series where rainbow technicolor hair and eyes are a thing?
I don't think unnatural hair colors are necessarily "anime". The older games pulled it off just fine.
4 minutes ago, familyplayer said:I think things get too "anime" only if the tropes feel more prevalent than actual writing and characters. FE13 and 14 were OK with the characters most of the time, but they definitely felt bad at first impression and it doesn't help that you have to dig through 50 supports to see why they are the way they are. On the story end, both Fates and Awakening have way too much "power of friendship" for my taste. The avatar thing CAN be done right, but FE12, 13, and 14 do it in the most nauseating way to me where they think the player must be treated as a god by good guys and like the devil by bad guys. Add facepetting and really cringy waifu type stuff and you get a game I feel I shouldn't play in public. I don't hate any of the games, but I just don't want this shift in tone and appearance for a series that never really had it before (bar FE7 where you can just not have the avatar in Eliwood and Hector mode).
Agreed. Oddly, Fates' cast is one of my favorites, it's just the writers gave them all a "thing" that gets repeated over and over and over.
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Yes, it's another one of these, but I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Let's get straight to it.
So many people agree that recent FE is "anime", "weeb shit", etc.... I want to take an analytical look at things and figure out exactly what that means. We know that anime isn't actually a genre, so when people say 'anime" in this context they're usually referring to certain tropes, and sexually charged fanservice. The former appears occasionally in mid FE and it and the latter is in full effect in late FE. Is this your definition as well? I thought over all the games a bit...
:Dark Dragon and the Sword of Light:
So this game's plot is a triple layered vanilla cake with a vanilla pudding core accompanied with a side of vanilla ice cream. It's decent, maybe even "good", but it's every medieval fantasy RPG ever. Forgivable, as this is an NES game and the very first in the franchise. We have young hero who is the sole wielder of sacred sword, fated to save the world from a dark wizard and/or an evil dragon, something that will continue to echo throughout the series. Is this "anime"? There are many examples of the "chosen one", and tiring as it may be, it's not exclusive to anime. Though my media knowledge is limited, I'm not inaccurate in stating this as this is rectified by a quick Google search or a brisk look at a Wiki page. I can't really give you any detailed examples, but out of all of you here, I'm sure you at least one of you can. In conclusion, nothing stands out as problematic here, other than being incredibly standard.
:Gaiden:
Okay, so this game in my opinion is definitely Kaga's worst work, gameplay and story wise. Being a fan of this game doesn't mean I can't criticize it. Your child's drawings are objectively shit, but you can like them anyway. This game has the "chosen one" trope, and it's much more obnoxious in its convolution than its siblings. In addition there's an evil wizard and a dark lord, though the latter is subverted by the fact the Doma isn't really evil. Is this "anime" though? I'd give you the same response as I did above. Being somehow more barebones than its predecessor, there's not much else to look at. I like to think Kaga came up with Gaiden on a drunken Saturday after dozing of to Star Wars or something. In conclusion, no "anime" detected.
:Mystery of the Emblem:
This game steps it up a bit. Slightly less vanilla than the previous Archanean title, and the birthplace of this series' possession trope we love. Still, there's not much to be said. In conclusion, no "anime" here.
:Genealogy of the Holy War:
This game is the series' high point regarding story. Without spoilers, I'll just say that this game as often regarded as the darkest FE. Yet none of it is for shock value, which I appreciate. Is this "anime"? Does any one know of any anime like FE4? Berserk maybe? Though that series does have an anime, we can say without question that it isn't "anime". In my conclusion, no "anime" here.
:Thracia 776:
This game is a lot like the previous title in story. I can say with confidence that this game is completely devoid of anything that can be described as "anime". If you disagree, you know what to do.
:Binding Blade:
I've often heard this game's plot compared to FE3, and I'd love it if someone were to finally explain this to me. I see it as more derivative of FE4, with its assortment of sacred weapons, and each wielder founding a land in their honor. This game offers a pleasant subversion in the evil wizard/evil dragon dynamic. Zephiel is acting on his own free will, and Idunn is a nice take on the evil dragon trope. Roy is a "chosen one", but other than his age and hair, he doesn't ping my "anime" radar. It's nice to see a lord who's his own tactician as well. With that being said, I don't really see anything noteworthy but if you do, let me know. The same can not be said for it's sister adaption, Hasha no Tsurugi however. Look at this dude.
It fills out any "anime" checklist you can think of. Immature boy protagonist, rash but always if not most of the time wins, power up forms, that hair....
You get the picture. This falls into the specific anime genre "shonen".
:Blazing Sword:
So I'm going to say something that's probably going to piss a lot of people off. Modern FE issues started with FE7.
When asked, most people chalk up modern FE issues to avatar worship, "anime", and bad story, with a minority (based off of what I've seen) opinion in addition, that being post FE5's lack of a singular sequence of events. They've opted for multiverse and time shenanigans in lieu. The avatar was born here, which would eventually lead to what we're dealing with today. Most people laud FE7 for its tame presentation of the concept, and I cannot argue too hard against that. However, Mark's "character" is so subtle that he's practically non-existent. Given IS and Kouhei Maeda's (the man who wrote this game is also the man responsible for FE12, Awakening and Fates, he became the supreme director starting with the former) approach towards things, I'm not confident in saying that it was a deliberate decision on their part. Do you think it was technical limitations or did they actually get it right intentionally? I'd say the former, and I can guarantee you that in the hypothetical remake of this game the avatar will be in the modern format. That is, being playable, able to support and marry anyone, etc.... I'm almost willing to bet money on it. In addition, you know that thing where characters turn forwards and look at you when they talk? That's the precursor to face-petting, friends. And when they do, it's the same pixelated fellatio everyone complains about about with FE12,13, and 14. It was also here the Dragon's Gate was introduced, giving birth to the Outrealms and other such nonsense, the most atrocious example being the Deeprealms in Fates. Granted, I don't see much "anime" here, with the only immediate thing I can think of is Guy, so this game scores decently well. I find it amusing when people criticize modern FE and point to FE7 as a golden point. Overall my opinion is largely mixed, and slightly heavier on the negative side.
:The Sacred Stones:
Sacred Stones. You know, I've being seeing a lot of Ephraim criticism lately, which is odd because every time I called him flawless no one cared. They didn't oppose me, they just didn't care. Poor SS. I actually like this game, despite the sentiment that it's too easy. Hard mode + no grind is decent challenge for me. Anyway, flawless protagonists aren't necessarily "anime" either. We do have Ross with his shonen eqsue drive to become stronger, but I don't really see anything striking. We have a loli, derivative of the Tiki archetype. However, unlike the others her nii-chan thing caught my eye. Yeah, there's Raquesis who's way more extreme but I don't know. It didn't feel influenced by that stuff. In conclusion, I feel like SS is middle ground.
:Path of Radiance:
So I've seen Tellius get labelled as the most "shonen" continent. Some would say it's because of Ike vs. BK. Not only is that not inherently shonen but I don't think one loose example is enough to qualify it as such. I'm surprised that this is mentioned before the furries, which one just so happens to be a tsundere. Ike's occupation as a mercenary inherently makes him combat centric when compared to a noble or a royal. He does understandably seek to improve himself but I never got those "i wanna be da best eva!!!" vibes from him, unlike say, Mia. Some would say Ashnard. Aside from his ramblings we don't actually see much from him, and the little that we do seems to have had a positive effect on Daein's society if Edward's comments are anything to go by. Tangent aside, after further inspection we see he accepts Ena as a tactician without knowledge of her true identity as dragon, so it seems his meritocratic view does extend beyond physical strength. I'd say no "shonen" there as well. Some might say the non-dragon/heron laguz leadership application process detracts when it does indeed mimic the social order of some animals in real life. I'm guessing that's what they were going for. In conclusion, the furries definitely set off alarms for me, so while not "shonen", the "anime" is starting to turn up a bit.
:Radiant Dawn :
I can understand the "shonen" thing a bit more here. Particularly Ike's comments in the epilouge towards Caineghis. And this is the game that gave him the whole "meat" thing, which is very "shonen". Ike like many other characters is not well fleshed out here, but at least he does get his character development in FE9. My ending comment from FE9 applies here as well.
:New Mystery of the Emblem :
I skipped Shadow Dragon because it largely identical to FE1. So this is where the avatar thing really kicked in. I don't need to go on about Kris, but I will say that he is not the first of his kind.
:Awakening :
This game is the second implement of the modern format. It's got all of your favorites, avatar worship, each characters having an anime trope, Outrealm shenanigans,fanservice (beach episode, uh) etc... Most people are familiar with the issues but I've noticed people lightening up on it a bit in favor of hating Fates when they're nearly identical, particularly Birthright. What more is there to say?
:Fates:
Everyone's favorite. The land with no name, featuring face petting,face blowing?, and bare assed knights. Fates is the most blatant example of "anime", but many people falsely attribute that to Corrin, who's no different from 90% of FE protagonists.
:Echoes:
This game's main problem is that under its fantastic presentation, it's still Gaiden. The "anime" is toned done, but that's just because it's Gaiden.
I wanted to include Warriors in but my opinion wouldn't mean much considering I haven't actually played it, but from what I've seen..... That game takes the number one spot for "anime". I couldn't even sit through it.
So again, what exactly does "anime" mean to you? Do you feel IS is intentionally trying to appeal to that audience?
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2 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:
I do not know about FE1 or Book 1 of FE3, but in FE11, he does actually move.
I didn't know that. He doesn't in the original.
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6 minutes ago, Jotari said:
There are living dragons in Gaiden. The White Dragons guarding Falchion are alive.
Are they? They share the same decayed model with the other necrodragons.
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2 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:
Ah. Well, we never know if he lost at that exact spot. There are movements around and all. Plus, we never get a good look at the more northern part of the map, and based on the way they water was there, it is possible there is some water up north and Camus could fall there.
He doesn't move though. And you have to corner him to fight him. I could totally see Marth holding back on him and getting him medical care afterwards. He then wondered off after waking up.
Just a theory. We'll probably never know.
5 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:Not like any dragons actually came up aside from necrodragons.
And the "monster" effect applies to them too. They are zombies after all. Doma isn't, and I'm pretty sure Falchion isn't effective on him.
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2 minutes ago, Jotari said:
Don't want to derail and get into a whole other thing, but nothing in Gaiden suggests Doma created Falchion. The sword is only mentioned twice in the entire game, and once by name.
True, but no one else was mentioned. Not many conclusions to come to. It had nothing to do with dragons though, no dragon-slaying effect.
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2 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:
Cosmic Force of destiny?
Eh, maybe.
3 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:Actually, I disagree with you there.
Let me clarify. I know that there's water near Grust but I was specifically talking about the exact spot he was defeated in. I'd understand if he were on the edge or something but he was in the castle. There are even mountains blocking the closest entry. I just don't see him stumbling all the way over there while Marth's army stands there watching. Unless he got blown the fuck back by Aura or something.
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14 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:
@Etrurian emperor had a small possible idea, in that Gotoh warped Camus to a safer location to get treated.
Not sure why he would do that though.
11 minutes ago, Jotari said:We no he washed up on Valentia. So he either floated the entire way after being defeated by Marth, or he hopped on a ship and was in a ship wreck. The former is logistically ridiculous, while the latter is pretty out of character.
We never actually get to see the original depiction of Archanea and Valentia together. We didn't see them together at all until "The Complete", which not only erroneously depicts Valentia to the east, but scaled up to match Archanea's size. If Valentia was a small island really close to Archarnea, floating the entire way isn't that unbelievable. It's likely not the case, as Camus was nowhere near water when he lost. The ship thing makes sense. Do we know when Camus lost his memories? Could have been after he was knocked unconscious in the battle, so his character wouldn't be a factor anymore. Doesn't explain why he'd get on a ship though, but his brain did get screwed up.
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10 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:
The continent itself is pretty varied with plains in the south of Zofia, woods in the west and mountains and desserts in the west. Then when you go to Rigel up north its all pine woods, swamps and snow. The journeys tend to take pretty long too. Celica leaves her little island and only two arcs later does she arrive at her destination and Alm spends two thirds of the game before he reaches the Rigelian border.
Remember that actual gods existed in Gaiden. Mila is stated to have the ability to bless the lands, is it not possible that the difference in landscape is due to this? That would explain why Sofia is green and Rigel is swampy. Also there was no snow in the original Rigel. Unless it's just the graphics that are confusing me. Not sure how to explain the desert, and the only reason the journey felt long was because of tedious gameplay, not scale.
6 minutes ago, Darros said:Well that's more to do with the time scale of the game. And continents don't have to be big by definition. Europe and Australia are a lot smaller than Asia and North America.
Valentia was clearly smaller than Europe or Australia.
1 minute ago, Jotari said:Even for a small island, Camus' survival is completely ridiculous. He ended up on the north western part of Valentia, which is west of Archanea. The only explanation is that he was floating on the ocean for weeks and is just too bad ass to reuire sustanance.
Do we actually know if Camus floated to Valentia?
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3 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:
I did? I thought I agreed that it was rather stupid that they never made a real mention on how he could be blackmailed?
EDIT: Oh wait, are you referring to my theory that the Loptyr cult may have created an object that could react to Loptyr blood?
Yeah, you did. I'll show you.
Both are really good.
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I've also discussed this in length privately. Message me if you're interested. @omegaxis1 has a good theory in there.
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I pondered that as well. Did you ever read this thread by any chance?
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16 minutes ago, eclipse said:
You can control yourself. You can control what you say, how you act, and what you wear. But the opinions of others? Out of your hands. Someone might think you're the best because of your username. Someone else might not.
The last sentence worries me, though. That's an odd conclusion to jump to. So. . .have a little exercise. Find a nice mirror, and place it next to your computer/phone/whatever you're using to type out these messages. Then, open up Notepad or something similar. In the next two minutes, type out everything you think of when you see your reflection in the mirror, both good and bad. It can range from your hair color to how you're feeling at the moment to how you see yourself. After that, read your list. If you wrote something general (like "is happy"), then elaborate on why you thought that way.
After that, take a look at every single negative. Unless you wrote down something bad about your skeletal system, those negatives can be changed. It'll take a lot of introspection and possibly some life experience. But I promise that if you want to change those negatives into positives, and you work at it, you will.
Okay, I'll give it a go. Sounds weird though.
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14 minutes ago, eclipse said:
From your perspective, you know whether or not this is true. From mine? I have to infer, based off of your posts. I've dealt with quite the range of personalities, so knowing why people do what they do is vital.
But you read them, right? Are you saying they don't explain anything?
15 minutes ago, eclipse said:The mafia subforum should illustrate this better, but then again, it gets. . .intense. It will show you the difference between what's self-evident for you, versus what everyone else thinks. It's also full of screaming and arguing, so I wouldn't recommend it if you have the stomach for neither. This also applies to the topic - what you think is obvious isn't the same as what everyone else thinks, on the basis that everyone is different.
Sounds crazy. It's quite discouraging to know people will think I'm an asshole regardless of what I say. I came here because I thought SF was a bit more high brow but I guess I was wrong.
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29 minutes ago, eclipse said:
First off, be honest about what you want. "I don't understand" tends to be code for "I'm going to pretend not to understand so your attempts to explain it to me look stupid." Since that isn't your intent, write down what it is you don't understand, and then see if you can find a common theme among it all.
I was. This is a case of people projecting their personalities onto me because I have never heard of that and it makes zero sense from my perspective. And I did explain further. Still not seeing what I did wrong here...........
29 minutes ago, eclipse said:No, it's not that I don't think you know that. It's that there's a LOT of different opinions regarding retconning out there. Some people don't mind it, as long as it doesn't break the universe in half. Others don't mind small changes. Still others will complain that any little change from the original is a travesty. The issue is that it's impossible to balance all of those opinions. No matter what IS does, they're going to step on toes. It would be nice if everyone fell on the "don't break the universe" side, but that's not going to happen. Everyone has their own opinions of retcons. In this case, IS went the conservative route - mostly true to the original story, with a couple of new characters.
For FFVII, the battle system will get an overhaul, and the game will be split into episodes. FFVII was originally a turn-based game. It looks like it'll be more action-oriented. This has gotten mixed results. There's no word on whether things like the story will be changed, but already people are decrying it, just because it won't be the same game that was released on the PS1.
Which is why I said "hopefully".
Now that you explained it, I can understand the criticism. What they're doing is making a completely different game. At this point it's not a remake, but a new game inspired by the original. And wasn't the original released on separate discs or something? If so, maybe that's what they were going for.
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1 hour ago, eclipse said:
Yes. Your topic title is that bad.
That's obviously eschewing all my subsequent posts. Okay, I'll concede. How should I have titled this? How much more passive could it get?
1 hour ago, eclipse said:Unfortunately, that's YOUR opinion. If everyone held the opinion that retconning isn't bad, then there would be nothing but hype over the FFVII remake, instead of people bitching about it (as one example). But here we are.
Getting tired of people acting like I don't know the difference. I even said this.........
2 hours ago, Køkø said:Retconning isn't inherently bad, it is only so when it detracts from the original. I, and hopefully most others, wouldn't have a problem if it improved the story. For example, making Julius the one who decides to play with Julia instead of Manfroy in a hypothetical remake.
What part of this indicates I don't understand that? Now I'm not familiar with FF at all, I've tried to get into it multiple times but it never worked out. Care to explain exactly what the fuss is about? I can't speak on it now because I don't know what you're talking about.
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14 minutes ago, eclipse said:
If you want to have any sort of honest discussion regarding the criticisms of the 3DS games, you have to read the dialogue. Otherwise, it sounds like you're starting shit for the sake of starting shit, and that's bad.
Retconning would cause complaints, too. There's no winning in this situation.
It was a joke. I'm constantly defending Fates, and anyone who knows me knows that. Of course I'm familiar with the dialogue, the whole memory loss thing wasn't fully explained, hence the tentative wording. If I wanted to start shit, I'd aim for lower fruit and put it on GameFaqs or something. You would come to this conclusion even after I explained myself multiple times?
Retconning isn't inherently bad, it is only so when it detracts from the original. I, and hopefully most others, wouldn't have a problem if it improved the story. For example, making Julius the one who decides to play with Julia instead of Manfroy in a hypothetical remake.
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5 minutes ago, eclipse said:
Technically, he's responsible for his father's death, but he had no way of knowing that.
True, but his father was a complete stranger to him. I think Corrin has some memories of their time in Hoshido? It's been a while since I played and it doesn't help that I actively ignore the dialogue for the most part.
10 minutes ago, eclipse said:I think the problem is that you're looking at a story that was written a long time ago, and comparing it to something written now. Expectations and whatnot change.
I've said this before, I think even Kaga doesn't like Gaiden's story. He never talks about it anywhere except for that one time where he explained the reason mages lose HP. I would think that the bare bones writing of the original gives more room for liberties and creative endeavors. And they've showed no issue with retconning. Jugdral is going to be harder to do that with because it already possesses a fleshed out lore.
I do see the good in SOV, and hopefully Switch (really wish we could get a least a title) takes some of that and goes upward.
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2 minutes ago, eclipse said:
Both Ryoma and Takumi say that they believe in Corrin before they bite the dust. Corrin does no wrong in their eyes. It's bad storytelling.
I don't have much of an opinion of Alm, because my attention is on Lukas. I know he's not handled as heavy-handedly as Corrin was, and most of the nonsense we see was present Way Back When FE2 would've been considered decent storytelling.
True. But Corrin does experience a permanent loss. The closest thing Alm has to that is Berkut's death, in which the latter does the same thing. I find myself defending Corrin more often than not, so I just want to say this. I am in no way calling Fates' writing good, nor is there any bias despite what my favorite game is. I like Conquest for its gameplay not its writing. It's just that I don't see Echoes as significantly better than its 3DS brethren in the story department. Granted, most of these issues can indeed be traced back to Gaiden, and I fault IS's minimalist approach for this. I do however, consider this game a better remake than Shadow Dragon (no offense) and New Mystery.
And yeah, Lukas was chill af.
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33 minutes ago, eclipse said:
The little plus sign next to Quote allows you to quote multiple posts. Pretty handy and all.
Corrin never suffers consequences for their actions. Alm, at least, pisses off Celica.
Yeah I know. I tried doing that initially and it only had my replies to omegaxis1 when I hit submit. I tried to go back in and edit but it made a separate post.
I see. The few constant criticisms I do see toward SOV is that the argument between the two was very contrived and unnecessary. It's not like it's permanent though, as they get married and have a happily ever after ending. There is no good way to justify the plan to take down Garon in Conquest but Corrin loses both Ryoma and Takumi as a result of this decision. So that's a plus for that game at least, strangely it's the one that has the worst story to do this.
I keep seeing Alm's praises come as a result of his personality. Do you not find them identical to Corrin's, or even to the vast majority of lords in the series?
24 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:I wouldn't say its lazy. The writers did make a major effort in trying to help fill in gaps. And everything about Act VI is still a stroke of genius, really helping us see what Grima really is, which in my opinion adds a stronger sense of terror from him than before.
I've said this before, but not on here. Awakening got more backstory in this game then Gaiden did. I don't like or understand this.
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1 hour ago, omegaxis1 said:
The second part would have actually been more well placed if we had actually seen Berkut's previous accomplishments, really show off how powerful he really was. All we really had was him, Fernand, and some other guy fight Alm's army and though they lost, Alm said that the fight was incredibly tough.This doesn't show the power that Berkut really has. However, Berkut still does represent what kind of state that Rigel is in. It says that Rigel has lost its kind heart, but it really never gave us the idea of what happens for the weak in Rigel. What kind of mind state do they have?
If strength defines who you are, and there could be a case of how the royalties are probably supposed to be the strongest, then losing is an insult, and how if you are weak, then you are nothing. There was a really great story here, but because it was trying too hard to be loyal, they didn't expand chapters when they actually could have. Or Memory Prisms to show some of young Berkut's days.
Thank you.
I think I remember seeing someone say that Berkut should have been given some scenes akin to Zephiel and the BK. That is, something to show us how big of threat this guy is. We don't see Berkut actually do anything. As far as what happens to the weak, this goes back to what I said about SOV only expanding on Gaiden superficially, graphics, audio and the like. I'm completely confused as to why Berkut didn't even get a Memory Prism to flesh him out. The worst part about it is that I actually wanted to like him. I keep seeing him being called the best FE villain, and I'm like what? He's as shallow as Garon, yet I only see criticism directed towards the latter. To be honest, most of the praise seems to be result of his voice, which was decent.
1 hour ago, omegaxis1 said:Jedah is rather evil, in both looks and actions. However, he genuinely believes that the gods need to stay forever or else Valentia would perish. He is an extremist that will fulfill Duma's wishes. The thing about Jedah is that he is also a victim of Duma's own philosophies, and because Jedah stayed so close to Duma, Duma's own growing madness could actually had made Jedah grow mad as well. This madness is born from believing that he must keep sating Duma's growing madness, find a way to cure his ill master, no matter what.
Because if Duma dies, what will become of Valentia? That's the thought process Jedah likely followed. The more desperate he becomes, offering more lives, the more disconnected he becomes with his own humanity, to the point that he will slaughter any number of lives to accomplish the goal.
The thing is, we don't how long Duma's been insane. As I said before, Jedeh's sect seems to worship post degenerated Duma, rather than pre. It's even mentioned that he usurped the previous high priest's spot, and from what we see of him he's nothing like Jedeh or his sect. But that's an interesting theory nonetheless. I keep seeing people say he cares about Valentia, and I don't understand. It's clear that he has no love for Zofia, or Mila so that's out. He tortures and kills his own countrymen as well. The only thing he cares about is Duma.
1 hour ago, omegaxis1 said:One theory as to why Celica even listened to Jedah is that the moment that Jedah told Celica that she needs to be offered or else Valentia would be destroyed, it planted a seed inside her heart, and Celica if even for a moment, considered offering herself. This caused Celica's own soul to be pulled by Duma, where more and more she was drawing closer to becoming a witch herself. All that was needed was for Jedah to suggest it and that stuck to Celica, so that she believes more and more that she needs to offer herself for the sake of Valentia.
Another interesting theory. You know, the fact that the fanbase has to come up with theories to explain things shows just how lazy the writers have gotten.
1 hour ago, eclipse said:Generally, when I see a topic title like this, it's someone who has an opinion, and is looking for a fight.
This, on the other hand, is something that is worth discussing. The answer boils down to "what annoys you about each game". For me:
- Awakening had a bunch of different stories going on, with very little cohesion. Fates required additional purchases for each story. SoV has one story from two different points of view, with some crappy plot allowances.
- Both Fates and Awakening had a bunch of people supporting each other, with highly mixed results. SoV's supports are limited to pairs that (mostly) make sense.
- Children. 'nuff said. At least Awakening's excuse was stomachable.
- All three games have maps that are totally unfun.
- SoV had no avatar. It's refreshing.If you want to see all hell break loose in the other direction, take a look at how the FFVII remake is being received.
I agree that Echoes lacks all of this with the exception of the second (Slightly, as DLC is required for full understanding of some characters) and the fourth. Why do you think people like Alm but hate Corrin?
Edit: Sorry about the double post, at first I tried putting this in the above but it didn't register for some reason. I tried it again via editing but it made it separate.
Fire Emblem is "Anime"????
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We've had this discussion before, yes? You said something about your job requiring you to be able to to tell what people are thinking or something to that effect. I'll say it now as I said it then, I will tell you exactly what's on mind. If my intentions matched your surmise I wouldn't be "subtly" going about anything, that's not the kind of person I am. If I wanted to shit on FE and "anime", I would be doing it. With the alternative being not posting period.
If you read thoroughly, not once did I say I took an analytical look at anything. The precursor to the rundown was "I thought over all the games a bit". For further clarification, I like reading what other people have to say, putting their thoughts and mine parallel and seeing what happens. That's the "analytical look" I was referring to. I've read and appreciated several posts to this topic and they've given me exactly what I was looking for. Slumber in particular. And I have to say I was feeling pretty good until you came at me with this crap again. Stop accusing me of doing something I'm not.
In regards to Marth not wearing pants, history isn't my forte but, the dress style of all the characters screams Greco-Roman clothing to me, particularly Marth's. I also heard somewhere that he was named after Mars, the Roman god of war. Maybe @Interdimensional Observer could tell us. If you read everything you'd see me say that my pop culture knowledge is limited, so if you can point me to some popular anime featuring that at the time, I'm waiting. I don't think the dress code was at all implemented with same intention as Fates. That is, blatant, sex-sells fanservice.
Honestly, if you felt like I was attacking this should be a good thing.
Agreed. I was talking about a serious story, but yes, you could definitely make a good comedy using them.
Wow, really? And here I was started think most didn't read, and the ones that did hated it.
Perhaps that's going a bit too far. It's definitely something to consider though. If the GB was capable, I totally think Maeda would have gone for it.