RNG Princess Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) I divereted a little bit from my hard mode PT <img src='http://serenesforest.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='^_^' /> and I started playing easy mode its a fun mode and I finished it rather quickly with no restarts whatsoever except on a few chapters. I'm not the best at tiering arguments but I'll try and practice on this mode. -BEXP can turn Fiona > Aran its true but for the sake of this tier list BEXP is fined at an expensive price, whoever needs it more means more penalties. -Transfers arent considered because I'm not entirely sure how much they would affect. -I know nothing of supports so your guidance will be appreciated <img src='http://serenesforest.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I support randomly thats the truth. -I'm pretty sure the tier isn't 100% right, and maybe im underrating mages but they have such dull defenses. Immortal (2): Haar Titania Top: (4) Oscar Ike Sothe Volug Heron(3): Reyson Rafiel Leanne High(7): Edward Nolan Jill Jannaff Ulki Mia Boyd Upper-Mid(12): Zihark Elincia Shinnon Nailah Tanith Marcia Nephenee Gatrie Mordecai Ranulf Aran Tibarn Naesala Middle(9) Micaiah Ilyana Sigrun Lethe Nealuchi Kyza Tauroneo Kieran Makalov Lower-Mid(10) Danved Geoffrey Astrid Rolf Brom Heather Soren Callil Sanaki Leonardo Laura Skrimir Low(10): Muarim Meg Vika Tormod Lucia Fiona Rhys Mist Lyre Ena Gareth Nasir Bottom(9): Stefan Volke Bastian Renning Pelleas Kurthnaga Lehran Oliver Unranked(9): These guys were too tough for me to judge Black Knight Caineghis Giffca Edits: Boyd > Shinnon Fiona out of bottom below Lucia Mordy misplaced now its Mordy > Ranulf > Muarim availability arguments Meg queen of Low tier, movement is a pain sorry Bastian to bottom, no availability Tibarn, Nailah, Naesala down to upper mid Micaiah queen of Mid tier Tauroneo down a few slots Eddie below Volug Elincia welcomed to high tier Laura still heals and physics > Meg Edited April 20, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Narga once said to me that in an EM tier list there only two tiers: Top and High (I'd personally add a third containing Lyre and Ena, but that's just me.). Also, Boyd > Shinon? Edited February 20, 2011 by NinjaMonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Narga once said to me that in an EM tier list there only two tiers: Top and High (I'd personally add a third containing Lyre and Ena, but that's just me.). Are you sure about Ena? I'm pretty sure Ena > Oliver What do you think of Meg and Aran comparison? :) Is he > her or is she > him? Edited February 20, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Are you sure about Ena? I'm pretty sure Ena > Oliver Oliver's damage output is a lot better than Ena's (because he targets Res), and he has healing utility. Ena has crap offense and her +5 Str from Blood Tide isn't really needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Oliver's damage output is a lot better than Ena's (because he targets Res), and he has healing utility. Ena has crap offense and her +5 Str from Blood Tide isn't really needed. Who are you and what did you do to the real NM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Oliver's damage output is a lot better than Ena's (because he targets Res), and he has healing utility. Ena has crap offense and her +5 Str from Blood Tide isn't really needed. Both have shit damage and shit movement. 5 strength from Blood Tide might be useless, but so is healing. Difference is that Ena is free in Endgame. Oliver isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Haar > Titania because of flight Nailah > Tibarn because of availability Astrid down because of availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I'm pretty sure no matter what, Boyd doesn't go above Shinon. Shinon can double off the bat, at the very least. Boyd has hit issues and speed issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sure no matter what, Boyd doesn't go above Shinon. Shinon can double off the bat, at the very least. Boyd has hit issues and speed issues. That makes sense thank you for clearing it for me :). Fixed some flawed logic. I'm thinkin royals should go down because of availability right?. Renning is really good in endgame :3 Astrid may not have the best availability but she's the unit gaining the most experience. Edited February 20, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Shinon kills one enemy a turn. Boyd is possibly promoted by 3-5 (I got Mia, Haar, Oscar, and Ilyana to tier 3 by then in my last EM playthrough) and ORKOing everything on both player phase and enemy phase. Boyd is MAYBE outperformed for like five chapters (maybe because Boyd is still doing SOMETHING on enemy phase and it may really help us) and then wins for the next eight chapters. Then Shinon gets the Double Bow, so I don't know about 4-E. But, then, I doubt that 4-E counts for much when every single unit can become great for it thanks to BEXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Also, Boyd > Shinon? I'm pretty sure no matter what, Boyd doesn't go above Shinon. Shinon can double off the bat, at the very least. Boyd has hit issues and speed issues. Guys, guys. Who cares if Shinon can kill one enemy at a turn? Boyd can pick up an Angelic Robe for and a Speedwings for quick Spd ups and start doubling AND 1RKO'ing so that he can Rambo all day long. Shinon just kills an enemy and has to be walled. inb4Boydcostsyoumore: In the end, you'll find that it's actually worth it. Titania doesn't really want the 1-E Speedwings as she would in NM/Hm. And Haar always takes the 2-3 one, if he even needs it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 he doesn't even need that, just bexp the crap out of him: you get enough in EM anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Narga once said to me that in an EM tier list there only two tiers: Top and High (I'd personally add a third containing Lyre and Ena, but that's just me.). This is actually rather accurate, though the extra tier would only need Lyre. If you really wanted to separate units for EM, stats mean almost nothing, ironically, as long as the character has some potential (like Astrid). There's just too much BEXP and experience gain in general is high. What matters is stuff like availability, move, and utility (not healing, but stuff like Galdr and Rescuing). Also, Boyd > Shinon? Easily. 1 range killing > 2 range killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Id move Soren up a bit. Its easy mode so he isnt really gonna suffer too much. I never played without transfers, so i guess im a bit bias there. (Transfers + easy mode = gamebreaker) I would put him above Astrid at least. I would move Ilyana down a bit too. Even in easy mode, speed is a bit of an issue with her. Sure speedwings could fix that but..really, why use her at all unless you really love her or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Astrid definitely needs to be below Soren, in any case. He has more availability and beats her in offense forever. He also has comparable durability with some use of BEXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Astrid definitely needs to be below Soren, in any case. He has more availability and beats her in offense forever. He also has comparable durability with some use of BEXP. I don't know, actually. Soren's move can be a real problem when everyone not Rhys, Gatrie, or Brom has more. Then Astrid's Paragon will really get her up in levels quite fast and she'll be as good as anyone else at third tier while Soren will still struggle to reach enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I don't know, actually. Soren's move can be a real problem when everyone not Rhys, Gatrie, or Brom has more. Then Astrid's Paragon will really get her up in levels quite fast and she'll be as good as anyone else at third tier while Soren will still struggle to reach enemies. Existing with 6 move > Not existing with 9 move. And when it comes to Part 4, Astrid's mount is as much of an impediment as it is a blessing. I have used Astrid in Easy Mode before and even in third tier, she is not all that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Existing with 6 move > Not existing with 9 move. And when it comes to Part 4, Astrid's mount is as much of an impediment as it is a blessing. I have used Astrid in Easy Mode before and even in third tier, she is not all that great. Existing but not doing anything < barely existing but doing something. Did you use Blossom? There's really no reason not to. Also, why the hell was Shinon moved or Boyd? Edited February 20, 2011 by Red Fox of Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Existing but not doing anything < barely existing but doing something. Did you use Blossom? There's really no reason not to. Also, why the hell was Shinon moved or Boyd? Anything Astrid can do, Soren can do as well, usually better (in terms of combat, he can 1-round Generals, she can't, and she probably struggles to 1-round with a Javelin forge at 1-2 range as well). Astrid's mount is not really an advantage in maps like 4-2, 4-3, and 4-4. She's only really winning in 4-P and 4-1 and 4-E-1. And even in 4-1, Soren can ORKO the Generals on the right hand side. Or take advantage of shove. I didn't use Blossom, I just RNG abused to rig her level ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Anything Astrid can do, Soren can do as well, usually better (in terms of combat, he can 1-round Generals, she can't, and she probably struggles to 1-round with a Javelin forge at 1-2 range as well). Astrid's mount is not really an advantage in maps like 4-2, 4-3, and 4-4. She's only really winning in 4-P and 4-1 and 4-E-1. And even in 4-1, Soren can ORKO the Generals on the right hand side. Or take advantage of shove. I didn't use Blossom, I just RNG abused to rig her level ups. Soren can theoretically do it. My problem is can he actually do anything? 3-1 has enemies coming out of multiple areas, but otherwise he's too slow to keep up with everyone. And you left out 3-11 and 3-E. Then I don't believe that she "is not all that great" at third tier in EM, unless you mean you rigged her for bad levels, especially since I've used her myself plenty often, including in EM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Soren's move problem can be remedied simply by shoving Celerity on him. *shrugs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Easily. 1 range killing > 2 range killing. Shinon starts off doubling enemies right from the start, Boyd doesn't. Shinon also has innate crit, whilst Boyd doesn't. Ergo, Shinon's offense > Boyd's. Also crossbows exist for the few times (if any) Shinon needs 1-range combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Soren's move problem can be remedied simply by shoving Celerity on him. *shrugs* Or I can give Celerity to someone like Haar on Rout maps or Ike on Seize maps to actually beat the map faster. Shinon starts off doubling enemies right from the start, Boyd doesn't. Shinon also has innate crit, whilst Boyd doesn't. Ergo, Shinon's offense > Boyd's. Also crossbows exist for the few times (if any) Shinon needs 1-range combat. 4 enemies surround Boyd. 3 are crippled, one is killed. Then he kills another. Shinon picks off one enemy, then sits around. Who did more for us? Also, experience/BEXP will fix Boyd's Spd problems fast. Even a Speedwing is reasonable since Titania shouldn't need it anymore. Edited February 20, 2011 by Red Fox of Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I'm sure I mentioned something about crossbows in my last post... Perhaps you failed to notice it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krad Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I'm sure I mentioned something about crossbows in my last post... Perhaps you failed to notice it? Find enemies that aren't mages that Shinon can kill with crossbows. 28 atk is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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