Unit Optimization Thread

[gayserbeam]

What would be a good skill set for a +skl/-hp Femui! Soleil @ Brave Hero in Nohr? I'm stuck on which skills I should give her, although I'm considering passing down a Hoshidan skill such as Renewal or Breaking Sky.

If you're going Brave Hero +SKL, you definitely want to have Lance Fighter as your secondary and get her Breaking Sky and Flamboyance. With Flamboyance, Hoshido, and capped skill, she'll have an 86% chance for Breaking Sky.

You can also grab Lethality from Ninja, which she already has, as you'll have a 35% Lethality chance.

I'd stay away from Sol because it will take priority over Breaking Sky and reduce your overall damage output. You can grab Renewal from an A+ with Mitama if that's what you wanted.

[CrazyFiasco]

Is Rinkah!Kisaragi good?

[December Knight]

Is Rinkah!Kisaragi good?

I think so, Kisaragi would get Oni Savage (and so would Takumi) and Kisaragi's mods would be - HP : 0, STR : 1, MAG : 1, SKL : 2, SPD : 0, LCK : 2, DEF : 3, RES : -1. I also think having a Bowman/Holy Bowman with Counter would be nice but that's just me.

I don't know what ending class you would want for Kisaragi, so I think should show his ending stats in his promoted class sets to help with your question. Hopefully you don't mind me only using the promoted classes and the DLC classes. -

Holy Bowman - HP : 55, STR : 32, MAG : 26, SKL : 37, SPD : 33, LCK : 32, DEF : 34, RES : 27

Golden Kite-Warrior - HP : 50, STR : 28, MAG : 27, SKL : 35, SPD : 31, LCK : 36, DEF : 28, RES : 30

Holy Lancer - HP : 60, STR : 35, MAG : 26, SKL : 35, SPD : 32, LCK : 31, DEF : 33, RES : 28

Basara - HP : 65, STR : 32, MAG : 31, SKL : 32, SPD : 31, LCK : 37, DEF : 33, RES : 31

Shura - HP : 60, STR : 35, MAG : 29, SKL : 27, SPD : 30, LCK : 27, DEF : 39, RES : 30

Blacksmith - HP : 65, STR : 34, MAG : 26, SKL : 34, SPD : 31, LCK : 32, DEF : 35, RES : 26

Dread Fighter - HP : 55, STR : 33, MAG : 29, SKL : 31, SPD : 31, LCK : 28, DEF : 32, RES : 33

Dark Falcon/Dark Flier - HP : 45, STR : 28, MAG : 33, SKL : 30, SPD : 33, LCK : 34, DEF : 29, RES : 33

Lodestar - HP : 60, STR : 30, MAG : 27, SKL : 37, SPD : 33, LCK : 42, DEF : 33, RES : 28

Grandmaster - HP : 55, STR : 32, MAG : 34, SKL : 35, SPD : 29, LCK : 28, DEF : 31, RES : 32

I don't know if I helped at all but hopefully I did.

Edited September 11, 2015 by December Knight

[CrazyFiasco]

I think so, Kisaragi would get Oni Savage (and so would Takumi) and Kisaragi's mods would be - HP : 0, STR : 1, MAG : 1, SKL : 2, SPD : 0, LCK : 2, DEF : 3, RES : -1. I also think having a Bowman/Holy Bowman with Counter would be nice but that's just me.

I don't know what ending class you would want for Kisaragi, so I think should show his ending stats in his promoted class sets to help with your question. Hopefully you don't mind me only using the promoted classes and the DLC classes. -

Holy Bowman - HP : 55, STR : 32, MAG : 26, SKL : 37, SPD : 33, LCK : 32, DEF : 34, RES : 27

Golden Kite-Warrior - HP : 50, STR : 28, MAG : 27, SKL : 35, SPD : 31, LCK : 36, DEF : 28, RES : 30

Holy Lancer - HP : 60, STR : 35, MAG : 26, SKL : 35, SPD : 32, LCK : 31, DEF : 33, RES : 28

Basara - HP : 65, STR : 32, MAG : 31, SKL : 32, SPD : 31, LCK : 37, DEF : 33, RES : 31

Shura - HP : 60, STR : 35, MAG : 29, SKL : 27, SPD : 30, LCK : 27, DEF : 39, RES : 30

Blacksmith - HP : 65, STR : 34, MAG : 26, SKL : 34, SPD : 31, LCK : 32, DEF : 35, RES : 26

Dread Fighter - HP : 55, STR : 33, MAG : 29, SKL : 31, SPD : 31, LCK : 28, DEF : 32, RES : 33

Dark Falcon/Dark Flier - HP : 45, STR : 28, MAG : 33, SKL : 30, SPD : 33, LCK : 34, DEF : 29, RES : 33

Lodestar - HP : 60, STR : 30, MAG : 27, SKL : 37, SPD : 33, LCK : 42, DEF : 33, RES : 28

Grandmaster - HP : 55, STR : 32, MAG : 34, SKL : 35, SPD : 29, LCK : 28, DEF : 31, RES : 32

I don't know if I helped at all but hopefully I did.

That's very helpful showing his caps in his different possible classes! Thank you so much!

[Duke of Dozel]

This pair also gives Takumi the Oni class so he can snab counter as well.

[mimasho]

hmm since I'm still having trouble deciding who to marry for my lunatic run,

can someone help me figure out which Kanna (probably dark blood endclass, maybe a DLC when it comes out, something magic based ??)

is better, Elfie!Soleil, or Belka ?

I'm mostly looking for the better mother overall, regardless of endclass,

I mostly left that part in just in case !

(basically, despite her endclass, a good strength stat is more desirable for me than good magic ~)

[December Knight]

hmm since I'm still having trouble deciding who to marry for my lunatic run,

can someone help me figure out which Kanna (probably dark blood endclass, maybe a DLC when it comes out, something magic based ??)

is better, Elfie!Soleil, or Belka ?

I'm mostly looking for the better mother overall, regardless of endclass,

I mostly left that part in just in case !

(basically, despite her endclass, a good strength stat is more desirable for me than good magic ~)

What is your Kamui's asset and flaw?

Here's Elfie!Soleil!Kanna's mods (with let's say a +STR/-SKL Kamui) - HP : 0, STR : 8, MAG : 1, SKL : 1, SPD : 1, LCK : 2, DEF : 0, RES : -1 and here's Kanna's ending stats - HP : 60, STR : 40, MAG : 32, SKL : 29, SPD : 33, LCK : 29, DEF : 29, RES : 31.

Here's Belka!Kanna's mods (with +STR/-SKL again) - HP : 0, STR : 3, MAG : 1, SKL : 2, SPD : -1, LCK : 1, DEF : 4, RES : 0 and here's Kanna's ending stats - HP : 60, STR : 35, MAG : 32, SKL : 30, SPD : 31, LCK : 28, DEF : 33, RES : 32.

I kinda like Soleil!Kanna a little more.

Edited September 12, 2015 by December Knight

[mimasho]

What is your Kamui's assest and flaw?

Here's Elfie!Soleil!Kanna's mods (with let's say a +STR/-SKL Kamui) should be - HP : 0, STR : 8, MAG : 1, SKL : 1, SPD : 1, LCK : 2, DEF : 0, RES : -1 and here is how Kanna's ending stats would be - HP : 60, STR : 40, MAG : 32, SKL : 29, SPD : 33, LCK : 29, DEF : 29, RES : 31.

Here's Belka!Kanna's mods (with +STR/-SKL again) should be - HP : 0, STR : 3, MAG : 1, SKL : 2, SPD : -1, LCK : 1, DEF : 4, RES : 0 and here is how Kanna's ending stats would be - HP : 60, STR : 35, MAG : 32, SKL : 30, SPD : 31, LCK : 28, DEF : 33, RES : 32.

I kinda like Soleil!Kanna a little more.

Ah, can't believe I forgot to mention that ! *goes off to check and starts grossly sobbing*

It's +STR/-MAG LOL what is wrong with me alskdfjs

this is my female "planned to be witch but currently dark blood" all over again. why am I so bad at this.

I'm liking Soleil!Kanna more too though, thanks so much for your help ! * U *

Guess it's decided then ~

[Ebony]

Any good parents for Midoriko? I still kind of plan on having Azura be her mom, is that a good choice or...?

[SerenadeofWisdom]

Any good parents for Midoriko? I still kind of plan on having Azura be her mom, is that a good choice or...?

Felicia or Sakura is also good. Edited September 12, 2015 by SerenadeofWisdom

[astrophys]

Well, Azura will be great for SPD mod and growth, and she'll even pass good STR growths, although the mod will still be stuck at -1 due to Kaze's -2 and Azura not increasing nor lowering STR mods.

[CrazyFiasco]

Would Oboro be a good mom for Mitama?

[Thor Odinson]

Oboro's pretty solid for anyone going physical really (which mitama really should be doing instead of people trying to shoehorn her into a magical role; she has -3 mag and excellent physical mods, let her roll with it)

While she doesn't have spike stats like Setsuna and Aqua's +3 speed or Kagerou/Charlotte/Elfie's +3 strength she has a solid +1/+1 in str spd which is strictly increasing, and Lance Fighter has some pretty coveted skills especially for physical units, in addition of being a good end class itself

[astrophys]

Okay, so I tried thinking things out again at GameFAQs, where I posted a version of this a few minute ago… this time, instead of Invisible Kingdom, I thought about Birthright and Conquest individually.

Obviously, you cannot create all of the pairings in a no-grind environment (as you'd be having to deploy too many characters), and others might have availability issues (example, the late arriving characters), so not all of these would be realized on a typical run and some alternates might be adopted instead in other cases.

That said, how does this sound?

BIRTHRIGHT

1. Corrin (M) x 2nd Generation Woman or Corrin only woman

2. Jakob x Azura

3. Kaze x Felicia ---> Maid/Bulter and Ninja share Kunai for practicality

4. Silas x Mozume --> Mozume gets Lance Fighter from Oboro and Silas gets Samurai from Ryouma, so they'd be able to pass both faires to Sophie for Cavalier/Paladin

5. Ryoma x Rinkah --> Ryoma-centric; shore up his defense when paired (+STR/SPD); give him Lancebreaker through Blacksmith

6. Takumi x Setsuna --> Help Kisaragi from his Dad's speed; Ninja gets passed, so that's a Copycat source (and Puppeteer uses Bowfaire too).

7. Saizou x Sakura --> One of the few pairings that can preserve Gurei as a unit that has good/decent STR and MAG growths and mods (most other magic-heavy mothers have abysmal 5% STR or something like that)

8. Asama x Oboro --> Gives Aasma access to Lance Fighter/Basara, which he might make use of with STR mods (also, his Mountain Priest uses lances too).

9. Hinata x Hana --> Hana as a Samurai (and with +SPD personal) can help shore up Hinata's weaknesses; Hinata can do the same as a Weapons Master (and +DEF bonuses).

10. Tsubaki x Hinoka --> Enables Hinoka to pass down her valuable Lance Fighter class to her daughter (a great ground unit class)

11. Tsukuyomi x Orochi --> Preserves Syalla's huge magic growth more than other mothers; Syalla will have non-negative speed mods and can somewhat absorb Orochi's poor growths; Orochi fixes Skill; Copycat

12. Nishiki x Kagerou --> Kagerou actually misses out on her marriage seal class, but gives huge STR to Kinu (+5 mod, 29 STR Fox --> 34 STR Fox) as well as a (+4 RES mod); pass down Snake Venom to get Snake Venom + Four Fangs combo without needing to class change.

CONQUEST

1. Corrin (M) x 2nd Generation Woman OR Corrin-only (like Flora)

2. Jakob x Azura
3. Kaze x Felicia
4. Silas x Mozume

---> These also were in Birthright; Sophie is worse off, as her parents have worse A+ options, but Mozume still uses her lance rank

5. Xander x Charlotte

--> High speed/STR for Xander (+8 Str, +5 Spd as Berserker)

6. Leo x Nyx

--> Good magic for Foleo; Mag/SPD for Leo.

7. Lazward x Luna

--> Spares and Lazward's rallies

8. Odin x Elise

--> Magical Ophelia works out nicely

9. Zero x Pieri

--> High Resist, helps Eponine's STR for Bow usage; while Nyx would make an interesting Nyx!Eponine with Zero, I have Nyx with Leo.

10. Benoit x Belka

--> Benoit gives them all Defensive formation; pair spares

11. Arthur x Camilla or Effie
12. Flannel x Effie or Camilla

---> Focus on Effie/Velour's STR (Flannel x Effie) or 40% damage combo (Flannel x Camilla); Effie & Camilla get Axefaire/Berserker either way

Reference materials:

http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-characters/growth-rates/
http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-characters/maximum-stats/
http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/nohrian-classes/maximum-stats/
http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/invisible-kingdom/supports/support-bonus/
http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-characters/pair-up-stats/
http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-classes/pair-up-stats/

[GoXDS]

Okay, so I tried thinking things out again at GameFAQs, where I posted a version of this a few minute ago… this time, instead of Invisible Kingdom, I thought about Birthright and Conquest individually.

Obviously, you cannot create all of the pairings in a no-grind environment (as you'd be having to deploy too many characters), and others might have availability issues (example, the late arriving characters), so not all of these would be realized on a typical run and some alternates might be adopted instead in other cases.

That said, how does this sound?

BIRTHRIGHT

1. Corrin (M) x 2nd Generation Woman or Corrin only woman

2. Jakob x Azura

3. Kaze x Felicia ---> Maid/Bulter and Ninja share Kunai for practicality

4. Silas x Mozume --> Mozume gets Lance Fighter from Oboro and Silas gets Samurai from Ryouma, so they'd be able to pass both faires to Sophie for Cavalier/Paladin

5. Ryoma x Rinkah --> Ryoma-centric; shore up his defense when paired (+STR/SPD); give him Lancebreaker through Blacksmith

6. Takumi x Setsuna --> Help Kisaragi from his Dad's speed; Ninja gets passed, so that's a Copycat source (and Puppeteer uses Bowfaire too).

7. Saizou x Sakura --> One of the few pairings that can preserve Gurei as a unit that has good/decent STR and MAG growths and mods (most other magic-heavy mothers have abysmal 5% STR or something like that)

8. Asama x Oboro --> Gives Aasma access to Lance Fighter/Basara, which he might make use of with STR mods (also, his Mountain Priest uses lances too).

9. Hinata x Hana --> Hana as a Samurai (and with +SPD personal) can help shore up Hinata's weaknesses; Hinata can do the same as a Weapons Master (and +DEF bonuses).

10. Tsubaki x Hinoka --> Enables Hinoka to pass down her valuable Lance Fighter class to her daughter (a great ground unit class)

11. Tsukuyomi x Orochi --> Preserves Syalla's huge magic growth more than other mothers; Syalla will have non-negative speed mods and can somewhat absorb Orochi's poor growths; Orochi fixes Skill; Copycat

12. Nishiki x Kagerou --> Kagerou actually misses out on her marriage seal class, but gives huge STR to Kinu (+5 mod, 29 STR Fox --> 34 STR Fox) as well as a (+4 RES mod); pass down Snake Venom to get Snake Venom + Four Fangs combo without needing to class change.

CONQUEST

1. Corrin (M) x 2nd Generation Woman OR Corrin-only (like Flora)

2. Jakob x Azura

3. Kaze x Felicia

4. Silas x Mozume

---> These also were in Birthright; Sophie is worse off, as her parents have worse A+ options, but Mozume still uses her lance rank

5. Xander x Charlotte

--> High speed/STR for Xander (+8 Str, +5 Spd as Berserker)

6. Leo x Nyx

--> Good magic for Foleo; Mag/SPD for Leo.

7. Lazward x Luna

--> Spares and Lazward's rallies

8. Odin x Elise

--> Magical Ophelia works out nicely

9. Zero x Pieri

--> High Resist, helps Eponine's STR for Bow usage; while Nyx would make an interesting Nyx!Eponine with Zero, I have Nyx with Leo.

10. Benoit x Belka

--> Benoit gives them all Defensive formation; pair spares

11. Arthur x Camilla or Effie

12. Flannel x Effie or Camilla

---> Focus on Effie/Velour's STR (Flannel x Effie) or 40% damage combo (Flannel x Camilla); Effie & Camilla get Axefaire/Berserker either way

Reference materials:

http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-characters/growth-rates/

http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-characters/maximum-stats/

http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/nohrian-classes/maximum-stats/

http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/invisible-kingdom/supports/support-bonus/

http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-characters/pair-up-stats/

http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/hoshidan-classes/pair-up-stats/

could do a more thorough analysis when it's not so late/not busy but for Nohr last 2, probably go for 40% rather than a few Str. in general, a few pts won't make or break you while the 40% strat can be useful. if we're excluding DLC, Arthur/Effie come in the same chapter, too, so you can work on their support so much earlier

[CrazyFiasco]

What skill set should Elise have? This is what I've planned so far

Skills:

Servant's Joy

Deadly Breath

Renewal (A+ Sakura)

Sun God (S support Takumi)

Battle Command

[Ebony]

What skill set should Elise have? This is what I've planned so far

Skills:

Servant's Joy

Deadly Breath

Renewal (A+ Sakura)

Sun God (S support Takumi)

Battle Command

Hmm, I don't know, I'd also suggest Tomefaire in there somewhere... if at least to give her a bit of punch in case she's ever attacked.

[CrazyFiasco]

Hmm, I don't know, I'd also suggest Tomefaire in there somewhere... if at least to give her a bit of punch in case she's ever attacked.

Hmmm I could add Tomefaire and get rid of battle command

[Tide of Waves]

Hmmm I could add Tomefaire and get rid of battle command

I recommend keeping Battle Command, and maybe get rid of Renewal.? Due to Servant's Joy does that when healing someone with a Staff, she also gets healed in servant's joy

It's up to you really.!

Edited September 13, 2015 by Tide of Waves

[CrazyFiasco]

I recommend keeping Battle Command, and maybe get rid of Renewal.? Due to Servant's Joy does that when healing someone with a Staff, she also gets healed in servant's joy

It's up to you really.!

True, I just want to make sure she still stands during battles, since she's paper to physical attacks. But I'll have to keep her away front lines anyway, so I'll replace Renewal with Tomefaire then.

[Tide of Waves]

True, I just want to make sure she still stands during battles, since she's paper to physical attacks. But I'll have to keep her away front lines anyway, so I'll replace Renewal with Tomefaire then.

Yee, it'll help her offense with Tomefaire as Strageist Class for her.!

[CrazyFiasco]

So here are one of my pairings I'm doing in IK

Xander x Hinoka

Ryoma x Camilla

Takumi x Elise

Leo x Sakura

Odin x Orochi

Nyx x Tsukuyomi

Arthur x Setsuna

Oboro x Zero

Benoit x Rinkah

Nishiki x Charlotte

Saizou x Belka

Luna x Subaki

Asama x Effie

Kagerou x Jakob

Silas x Mozume

Felicia x Kaze

Azura x Laswald

Flannel x Hana

Femui(+def -mag) x Asyura

Hinata x Pieri

Any I should change?

[mimasho]

Is Belka any good as a revenant knight ?

I usually go Wyvern lord for her, but I'm thinking I want to try her as a tome wielder so I can run Oboro through Wyvern lord ~

For fun. But I don't want to screw either of those two over since it's my lunatic run xD

[GoXDS]

Is Belka any good as a revenant knight ?

I usually go Wyvern lord for her, but I'm thinking I want to try her as a tome wielder so I can run Oboro through Wyvern lord ~

For fun. But I don't want to screw either of those two over since it's my lunatic run xD

10 base Mag and 15 Class Mag growth (25 total). not as a tome user rev knight, no

[mimasho]

10 base Mag and 15 Class Mag growth (25 total). not as a tome user rev knight, no

aah that's disappointing, thanks though ! ; U ;