Is Gunter meant to be this bad?

[Original Alear]

How long does it take to cap his Magic, assuming you reclass him to Grandmaster or Dark Flier?

Dark flier has a cap of 32 and a base of 7 with a growth of 15% - I got about 167 levels for that. Grandmaster has a cap of 33 with a base of 6 - I got 180 levels for that.

[gayserbeam]

To get the world's worst Kana.

Gunter!Kana:

37% HP

20% STR

15% MAG

22% SKL

22% SPD

30% LCK

15% DEF

15% RES

What's funny:

Binding Blade's Marcus

25% STR

20% SKL

25% SPD

20% LCK

15% DEF

20% RES

Kana's not even a Jeigan and his growths are worse than one.

To be fair, Fuga's not much better. But at least Fuga can actually carry his weight with his huge bases.

Edited March 22, 2016 by gayserbeam

[Radiant Dragon]

I get that vibe that he is that classic promoted character you get early on, like Seth from Sacred Stones or Marcus from Fire Emblem.

FE7!Marcus and Seth are actually exceptions to the rule (along with Titania from Path of Radiance) because they're both really, really good (Seth especially, he has great growths for some reason). You can use them as one of your main combat units the entire playthrough on each of their game's hardest difficulties and they will be excellent all game long. No joke, Seth is better than like, 90% of the rest of his game's cast combined.

Jagen himself is probably the most apt comparison to Revelation!Gunter, with his low bases and low growths, but still decent for his prepromoted utility (at least until Revelation starts choking you on deployment slots). Conquest!Gunter is in an odd spot, though, kind of like a later-joining Zealot.

[gayserbeam]

FE7!Marcus and Seth are actually exceptions to the rule (along with Titania from Path of Radiance) because they're both really, really good (Seth especially, he has great growths for some reason). You can use them as one of your main combat units the entire playthrough on each of their game's hardest difficulties and they will be excellent all game long. No joke, Seth is better than like, 90% of the rest of his game's cast combined.

Jagen himself is probably the most apt comparison to Revelation!Gunter, with his low bases and low growths, but still decent for his prepromoted utility (at least until Revelation starts choking you on deployment slots). Conquest!Gunter is in an odd spot, though, kind of like a later-joining Zealot.

Gunter's low growths actually feel really unecessary. In the prologue, his growths don't matter at all because he can barely gain EXP, and when he rejoins in Conquest, he comes at a point where his stats don't really put him far ahead of the rest of the cast. If the purpose of a Jeigan is to protect weak units until they inevitably surpass him, it seems odd to have that Jeigan absent for the twelve chapters wherein other units are actually weaker than him. As it stands, he's a late game unit who is utterly awful for seemingly no reason.

In Revelation, his actual presence in the early game means he could actually serve a Jeigan role, but his base stats are so awful that unpremoted units with similar stat spreads like Subaki and Oboro render him obsolete within a mere two or three chapters, and his growths leave him no room to catch up.

Edited March 22, 2016 by gayserbeam

[FlameUser64]

What's especially unnecessary about Gunter's low growths is that his bases aren't great either, and he has only 19 levels ahead of him, so even if his growths weren't absurdly terrible he'd still fall out of use around when other units start promoting. Jakob is a way better-executed Jeigan than Gunter is.

It really sucks because Gunter is actually a pretty cool character, yet he's so absurdly useless.

Edited March 22, 2016 by FlameUser64

[Original Alear]

Gunter also has an amazing voice actor. I think it's the guy who did wesker.

[Roflolxp54]

When is infinite stat boosters going to be a thing?

It already is via Powersaves and other forms of cheating/hacking.

[Crysta]

>_>plz thats not good enough to justify for lunatic runs even if you do well for chapter 1-10, mid-late game chapters hes just there to be there really, because Other characters can do similar things and have much more to bring, jakob passive is like +15 avoid -3 dmg taken, Camilla passive is like +3 dmg dealt and -1 dmg taken, silas and peri can shelter, camilla and elise can get rally defense, anyone who's mounted can give +1 to move as well as outlaws/adventurers. But lets say he does have good rolls for stats somehow, god forbids, he lacks support.

Kind of missing the point.

A Jeigan isn't meant to be comparable or better than anyone else for the entirety of the game; pretty sure they made him an old guy to drive this point home, too. Having stellar growths and reaching his caps is not the goal of that archetype; it's their availability and utility which is their selling point, which you don't really need to invest any experience in (the opposite being the low level characters who join LATE in the game but have crazy growths). Though, yes, Gunter kind of... falls off a bridge and disappears for a bit which kind of blunts that.

He's still alright in my book, though, and I have a pretty decent team on Classic Hard Conquest. I find the 'omg his stats and growths suck bad unit bench forever' strangely one-dimensional in a strategy game.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Crysta

[Espinosa]

It already is via Powersaves and other forms of cheating/hacking.

What about legally?

[Roflolxp54]

What about legally?

Technically possible in Birthright/Revelation but that would require scouting for a lot of battles just for the random chance of getting stat boosters.

[Espinosa]

Technically possible in Birthright/Revelation but that would require scouting for a lot of battles just for the random chance of getting stat boosters.

These are the games where Gunter isn't a permanent party member though.

[Roflolxp54]

These are the games where Gunter isn't a permanent party member though.

Does he rejoin after Revelation Chapter 26? Or is he off the team permanently? (Could try bringing over an Einherjar version of him even though he gets no dialogue and voice acting.)

For Conquest, if the village in the Ballistician DLC map gives out stat boosters, you can try that.

[Espinosa]

Pretty sure he's away for the rest of the game.

I wonder if Lottery brings possible stat boosters...

[Lemui]

I checked my revelations file [which is on chapter 27 and already beaten endgame] and he's still in my roster so no, he stays. At least in revelations.

[Lady Sansa]

As a Great Knight in Revelations it would take Gunter:

Approx. 118 levels to cap his HP

Approx. 108 levels to cap his Strength

Approx. 100 levels to cap his Skill

Approx. 340 levels to cap his Speed

Approx. 116 levels to cap his Defense

Approx. 440 levels to cap his Resistance

To put this into perspective, it takes 18 Eternal Seals (216000G) to cap his highest stat and 86 (1032000G) to cap them all

Of course you could reclass him to a class with a higher growth bonus, but the highest growth he can possibly have in any stat is 45% HP growth as a Berserker which would still take 92 levels to cap.

He doesn't even get that class unless you marry him, and why would you do that to yourself?

Uh, you do realize that you can't marry him unless you're playing Conquest, right?

[Tolvir]

I dropped him a few chapters into Revelation. He wasn't even that useful as a mentor unit either as he could barely kill what he was fighting half the time. He became more healing fodder for Sakura to get XP than anything. Once I started getting a few extra characters, especially when Takumi's group came into the picture he was dropped entirely. Conquest on the other hand he worked just fine.