Do you buy Kaze's reason for joining Corrin in Conquest?

[Thane]

Didja see that, Shinji?

That's a Persona 3 song? I don't recognize it at all.

Also, why are Akihiko's lines so bloody popular anyway? I just see that and "I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!" everywhere.

[saisymbolic]

Didja see that, Shinji?

It actually was from an obscure Dreamcast game but that was surprisingly fitting.

[Ebony]

That's a Persona 3 song? I don't recognize it at all.

Also, why are Akihiko's lines so bloody popular anyway? I just see that and "I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!" everywhere.

Because they're abuseable as Hell.

It actually was from an obscure Dreamcast game but that was surprisingly fitting.

Welp. I fucked up hard.

I thought it was actually from the funeral scene with the kids badmouthing him but ehehhehh im an idiot

[saisymbolic]

Because they're abuseable as Hell.

Welp. I fucked up hard.

I thought it was actually from the funeral scene with the kids badmouthing him but ehehhehh im an idiot

I just like Akihiko because of Liam O'Brian.

Dat Liam O'Brian, Crispin Freeman and Travis Willingham trinity, tho. (Yes, I know the latter two wasn't in the game. I meant in general.)

Don't feel bad. It was still funny.

[Lanko]

Kaze is a character and a unit, not a plot point. You can absolutely care about characters/units and not their role in the story. I mean, that's how I feel about Azama, or Arthur.

Back on topic, while I feel that Kaze's reasons for changing sides are well-justified (certainly moreso than many previous FE turncoats), I certainly agree that he should have voiced objections thereafter, like Jill does in both PoR and RD, and I definitely think there was a missed opportunity to do something involving "A support or he'll leave again" like his Birthright self (only it would actually make sense!).

Yet the reason he joins is exactly because of a... plot point. A bad one at that. How can a 10-14 year old ninja spot enemy troops but none of the other men Sumeragi had? Of course he didn't say anything, bringing troops to a meeting with the enemy looked apparently normal, now why the hell would Sumeragi go in alone, with his 3-5 year kid, no less, and with a kid ninja as scout? Didn't he had retainers?

That dude deserved what was coming and shows how badly the game already begins...

Also, Azama and Arthur have contained, but well-defined roles. Imagine if Arthur switched sides and later mindlessly killed Elise. That's what happens to Kaze. No problem in killing Saizo and the royal family he swore to protect. Believes Corrin is doing what's needed for peace and watch him devastate their homeland, despite not having seen the crystal ball.

How do we care about a character whose inaction actually contradicts his very character? His support convos better be really awesome to make up for it...

And yeah, I don't understand why the A rank makes him live in BR. Haven't see how it happens if you don't have it, but what the hell? Can't he see that crystal thing without an A? Or doesn't shoot it? Geez.

If Iago can plant "earthquake crystals" just like that why the hell he didn't use it more often?

[BruceLee]

Probably not that and just the more harsher language you seem to use when talking about it in general. But eh... I can't say much since I basically agree with your points.

I don't quite understand what you said there in the first part of your post.

Edited April 16, 2016 by BruceLee

[Ebony]

I don't quite understand what you said there in the first part of your post.

I don't understand how but to reword it:

You seem a bit more harsh on it then called for sometimes.

[BruceLee]

I don't understand how but to reword it:

You seem a bit more harsh on it then called for sometimes.

I was harsh when i was expressing my dislike for the writing but it's not like i'm hurting anybody?

Abysswalker's reply to me was uncalled for, if he doesn't like my opinion then he can just ignore me, i will speak my mind.

[Ebony]

I was harsh when i was expressing my dislike for the writing but it's not like i'm hurting anybody?

Abysswalker's reply to me was uncalled for, if he doesn't like my opinion then he can just ignore me, i will speak my mind.

Yeah but from experience it tends to not help bring your point across depending on how you do it. People could dismiss it entirely as "wow this dude's being kinda a dick, let's ignore him." Its why I use to ignore critique for stories when I was a tiny internet baby.

[BruceLee]

Yeah but from experience it tends to not help bring your point across depending on how you do it. People could dismiss it entirely as "wow this dude's being kinda a dick, let's ignore him." Its why I use to ignore critique for stories when I was a tiny internet baby.

I don't see why anyone would think ''this guy's a dick because he doesn't like the writing in this game''.

And again, i didn't hurt anyone with my words did i? It was all aimed at the writing. That guy just can't handle my opinion, that's all there is to it.

Edited April 16, 2016 by BruceLee

[Ebony]

I don't see why anyone would think ''this guy's a dick because he doesn't like the writing in this game''.

And again, i didn't hurt anyone with my words did i? It was all aimed at the writing. That guy just can't handle my opinion, that's all there is to it.

It's not that you don't like it (I don't think anyone really genuinely likes it. Maybe concepts but it was so underhanded) its that you're one of the more... I guess well known critics of it here?

Apologies I've kinda dragged it off topic though. My fault.

[Azure Sen]

As much as I like Kaze, his motivation for joining Nohr was stupid and underdeveloped. Also, his whole guilt complex is really poorly written too, now that I think about it. He feels guilty to the point of committing treason and abandoning all of his friends and family because Corrin was kidnapped, but the fact that Sumeragi, his king, was killed in the same attack he apparently doesn't care about that much?

Edited April 17, 2016 by AzureSen

[BruceLee]

It's not that you don't like it (I don't think anyone really genuinely likes it. Maybe concepts but it was so underhanded) its that you're one of the more... I guess well known critics of it here?

Apologies I've kinda dragged it off topic though. My fault.

While that may be true i still don't see anything wrong with my post that Abysswalker responded to. It wasn't directed at anyone here so clearly he just had a problem with my negative opinion of the writing(which he has had before).

But let's move on lol.

Edited April 17, 2016 by BruceLee

[Ebony]

While that may be true i still don't see anything wrong with my post that Abysswalker responded to. It wasn't directed at anyone here so clearly he just had a problem with my negative opinion of the writing(which he has had before).

But let's move on lol.

Looking through the posts yeah, sorry. My bad. Sorry for bringing this up dude. ;w;

As much as I like Kaze, his motivation for joining Nohr was stupid and underdeveloped. Also, his whole guilt complex is really poorly written too, now that I think about it. He feels guilty to the point of committing treason and abandoning all of his friends and family because Corrin was kidnapped, but the fact that Sumeragi, his king, was killed in the same attack he apparently doesn't care about that much?

Actually where were they that Kaze was there too? Did his family just... happen to be in the same location?????

[Azure Sen]

Actually where were they that Kaze was there too? Did his family just... happen to be in the same location?????

I'm a little confused. Are you asking if Kaze's family was there when he defected, or during the incident at Cheve? The former was just me poorly wording something, and for the latter Kaze presumably went with his father in the entourage that escorted Sumeragi to Cheve.

Edited April 17, 2016 by AzureSen

[Ebony]

I'm a little confused. Are you asking if Kaze's family was there when he defected, or during the incident at Cheve? The former was just me poorly wording something, and for the latter Kaze presumably went with his father in the entourage that escorted Sumeragi to Cheve.

The incident at Cheve. I don't think they mentioned why he was there. I wish they explained more. Like... was he alone? Was Saizo there?

[Lanko]

Unless it's explained in Revelations, I really have no idea why Sumeragi would go alone like that with his 3-5 year old kid right behind him.

[Azure Sen]

The incident at Cheve. I don't think they mentioned why he was there. I wish they explained more. Like... was he alone? Was Saizo there?

Yeah, I don't get it either. Presumably Saizo and Kaze would have been around Ryoma's age, so unless Ryoma's older than I think he is (I estimate he was around 10-12 at the time, given that Hinoka was 7 and he still needs to be old enough for Hinoka to have been born but not at a point where she wouldn't remember Corrin being born/coming to Hoshido) Kaze shouldn't have been there alone.

Unless it's explained in Revelations, I really have no idea why Sumeragi would go alone like that with his 3-5 year old kid right behind him.

I think it's mentioned by Ryoma in Revelation that Sumeragi, Corrin and a small part of the entourage got isolated and ambushed by Garon, but I'd have to go back and double-check.

[Pretty_Handsome]

No.

He sells away the nation he loves for a naive and selfish child that is Conquest Corrin? Seriously?

Edited April 17, 2016 by Pretty_Handsome

[Lady Sansa]

No idea. I just skipped the scenes.

[rexcalibur]

I don't even know where to begin with the problems, and I don't understand how people can give him the benefit of the doubt in the first place.

Let's start with the obvious: the guy never expresses any dislike for Hoshido, its people, his fellow soldiers, his family or the royals, or at least not in any way that would make any player assume that his loyalties were in question. In fact, he's very polite and seems to enjoy their company in most supports, and in Birthright he takes his main story duties very seriously. So why is it, then, that a guy trained in warfare and espionage, who was at the plaza that got blown up by the sword Corrin brought, who was there to see Corrin choosing to go back to a nation that attacked Hoshido unprovoked. decides to trust the same person on a whim because they say they don't want to fight? He's got no proof that Corrin is speaking the truth, he's got no way of knowing how they'd go about solving the conflict peacefully, and he's fine with dropping everything he has ever known to join someone who has already made a highly questionable decision, and who doesn't know anything of the world because, you know, until recently they had been locked up, and one of their most striking character traits is that they're naïve.

Secondly, we have the issue that I mentioned earlier, that the writers simply forgot that he was supposed to have been dead. Not only that, but Suzukaze was forced to fight to the death in front of the entire Nohrian royal family, yet he's fine with joining forces with them. Sure, Corrin and Leo saved him, but the big cheese Xander was about to chop his head off without question; how does a person willingly go back to that?

I think Kaze might harbor some doubt over his role as a Hoshidan ninja despite caring for Hoshido and its people and this could have played into his defection. In Kaze's support with Peri, it implies that ninjas go through harsh training from an early age. Kaze was impressed by Peri's cooking skill so he asked her if she had been through harsh training from an early age to obtain it. Saizo's supports with Beruka and Ryoma show that life as a ninja deals with horrible situations and stealthy assassinations and when Saizo sneak attacked Corrin in Conquest, Kaze found it cowardly. I wonder if all this implies that Kaze holds resentment towards how he was raised as a ninja. Saizo was able to tolerate all this because he choosed and served a master that he respected and that is a ninja's greatest calling in life but Kaze was never able to do that and that fact always worried him. Along with this, Kaze shows new resolve from fighting for his friends instead of just working stealthily for the sake of Hoshido in his support with Xander. He's the kind of person who enjoys connecting with others so the stealthy, more private life of a ninja might not really suit him. Unfortunately, Kaze's feelings towards his life as a ninja are never clearly explained or expanded on so this is really just speculation but I think it is a pretty reasonable assumption to make that he holds resentment and doubt over being a ninja. I also found a really good post on tumblr that explains how ninja life and its strict code of honor affected the ninja twins if you want to take a look at that: http://agoddamn.tumblr.com/post/142901364760/oh-i-read-the-ashura-thing-you-wrote-about-his-age

Kaze's supports with Selena show that he is very perceptive and can pick up details about a person by reading their expressions and fighting style. Even though at first he thought Corrin had betrayed Hoshido, I think he was able to detect that they really wanted peace and weren't truly against Hoshido by reading their expressions and seeing how they spared the lives of the Hoshidan soldiers. It definitely was a foolish action for him to join Corrin for the reasons you said but I think he was pretty desperate at that point because of the all the guilt he's been carrying for so long and rationalized it in his head by thinking that he wasn't truly turning against Hoshido by joining Corrin. The way I see it, his motivation works but wasn't really written well because he never really shows guilt over Sumeragi's death, he doesn't actually see Corrin reforming Nohr, and we don't get a clear explanation of his feelings towards life as a Hoshidan ninja. Also we don't really get an explanation for why Sumeragi would even bring him and Corrin to Cheve in the first place.

The funny thing is that Kaze is actually grateful to Xander for helping Corrin let him escape. I think he would understand why Xander would obey his father and be prepared to kill them and he was grateful to any kind of help at that point even coming from him. Sorry it took me a while to respond, I'm pretty new to these kinds of discussions and I'm not too good at this kind of thing. I hope my points are clear. Please don't tear me apart. XD