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You're killin me smalls.

Leo/Takumi is starting to remind me of AkuRoku...

*shiver*

Is it still going strong these days?

It is the definite and most famous yaoi pairing after all. They even have day dedictated to AkuRoku!

Guess what day it is?

I don't know, I abandoned anything forum related to KH since Birth by Sleep.

Maybe it's just me, but I think they'd be much better in the 'best friends that act like brothers' role. But then, that might just be my mounting frustration with taking every single relationship, be it friendship, rivalry, archenemies or what-have-you and saying that they're clearly going to fuck each other in the future.

I am guilty in doing this with a few pairs but honestly I don't remember anything overly shippy about it. Aside from maybe the "further then friendship" in the Japanese version that can be taken as literally anything.

Might as well have just had it been them saying "we're like brothers. Only closer."

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I am guilty in doing this with a few pairs but honestly I don't remember anything overly shippy about it. Aside from maybe the "further then friendship" in the Japanese version that can be taken as literally anything.

Might as well have just had it been them saying "we're like brothers. Only closer."

That's what I keep thinking. It was only one really shippy line, but the constant deluge of fan art and fanfiction is a little annoying considering how little romantic subtext there is.

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That's what I keep thinking. It was only one really shippy line, but the constant deluge of fan art and fanfiction is a little annoying considering how little romantic subtext there is.

I mean I guess I can understand it. I just don't think I understood the massive amounts of it. There's ships of everything. And as much as I guiltily admit I'd love to have FCorrin marry Oboro I've resigned to the fact it'll never happen in canon. But idk, it's just me. I'm pretty open to any ship ever (with admitted limits. Unhand Blake Adam Backslide.) I just would prefer it not being forced down my throat. It's a reason why I shied away from Chrom x Robin and Chrom x Sumia. To a point I felt the same about Xander x Corrin and Azura x Corrin, but I can at least digest the latter since I see less of it.

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I can kind of see why people would go for Leokumi--their support chain was pretty great and had a good transition to friendship--but honestly most of it seems to be based off of "they're pretty boys who argue, let's turn it into sexual tension leading to steamy porn!" rather than any actual interest in their dynamics. And it's everywhere, so I'm not surprised people (including me) are getting sick of it.

I used to like Leokumi back when the game was only released in Japan, but now it's just everywhere and most of it isn't even well written. And neither Leon nor Takumi act like themselves. The characters are basically impostors who only share the characters' looks and names, and their personalities are nothing like the original characters'. That's why I get the idea that a lot of people who write fanfiction for them don't actually like them for their actual dynamics. They just want to see pretty boys fuck each other.

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I used to like Leokumi back when the game was only released in Japan, but now it's just everywhere and most of it isn't even well written. And neither Leon nor Takumi act like themselves. The characters are basically impostors who only share the characters' looks and names, and their personalities are nothing like the original characters'. That's why I get the idea that a lot of people who write fanfiction for them don't actually like them for their actual dynamics. They just want to see pretty boys fuck each other.

And when they're not fucking, it's one of them wangsting about their issues to the other and being healed with the wondrous magic of generic 'you're better than you think you are' rhetoric. It's pretty telling that I've only seen two good Leokumi fics and both of them were recommended to me rather than me actually finding them on my own

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And when they're not fucking, it's one of them wangsting about their issues to the other and being healed with the wondrous magic of generic 'you're better than you think you are' rhetoric. It's pretty telling that I've only seen two good Leokumi fics and both of them were recommended to me rather than me actually finding them on my own

I'm already aware of Joining of Worlds, but what was the other good one?

Also, another issue I see with Leokumi is that usually both Leon and Takumi will forget that they have family and retainers who all care about them and fall into the whole "YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO'S EVER CARED FOR ME" tripe which is tried and tired and stupid as fuck.

… Speaking of which, is there anything Corrin can do for the brothers as their wife that s/he can't do as their brother/sister? Other than give birth to their child? Because I fail to see any romantic chemistry between Corrin and any of the brothers (and the siblings as a whole, if we want to extend it in general).

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I'm already aware of Joining of Worlds, but what was the other good one?

Also, another issue I see with Leokumi is that usually both Leon and Takumi will forget that they have family and retainers who all care about them and fall into the whole "YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO'S EVER CARED FOR ME" tripe which is tried and tired and stupid as fuck.

… Speaking of which, is there anything Corrin can do for the brothers as their wife that s/he can't do as their brother/sister? Other than give birth to their child? Because I fail to see any romantic chemistry between Corrin and any of the brothers (and the siblings as a whole, if we want to extend it in general).

I honestly don't remember. It was a really early one, and then everything that came after sucked and then I got told about Joining of Worlds.

Besides, when has a lack of romantic chemistry ever stopped shippers? Nowadays, the only qualifier seems to be 'their both hot, good enough'. And I thought things were bad with the Kataang vs Zutara shippers. *grumble grumble back in my day grumble*

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So glad to see more people reading Joining of Worlds! Such a good fic!

Anyway, back on topic,

I'm actually think that F!CorrinxLeo and F!CorrinxTakumi is more creepy than M!CorrinxElise and M!CorrinxSakura.

Why?

Just read their My Room lines,

They become incredibly dependent on her, not even Jakob and Camilla are like that after marriage.

It feels insulting to their character and it feels predatory, like F!Corrin is taking advantage of their weaknesses.

Now that I think about it, there are more male characters that become dependent on F!Corrin after marriage than female characters becoming dependent on M!Corrin.

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So glad to see more people reading Joining of Worlds! Such a good fic!

Anyway, back on topic,

I'm actually think that F!CorrinxLeo and F!CorrinxTakumi is more creepy than M!CorrinxElise and M!CorrinxSakura.

Why?

Just read their My Room lines,

They become incredibly dependent on her, not even Jakob and Camilla are like that after marriage.

It feels insulting to their character and it feels predatory, like F!Corrin is taking advantage of their weaknesses.

Now that I think about it, there are more male characters that become dependent on F!Corrin after marriage than female characters becoming dependent on M!Corrin.

They were designed to appeal to female players. What a lot of hardcore Leo/Takumi x Corrin shippers want is to have a relationship with an insecure guy with issues but without all the work, patience and time it would take to make such a relationship work in real life. It's cute for them to be dependent on Corrin in-game, but in real life it would get annoying (and possible creepy/disturbing) very quickly.

They're great characters, but every romantic interaction they have with Corrin is some of the most blatant and disturbing husbando-bait I've ever seen in a game.

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… Speaking of which, is there anything Corrin can do for the brothers as their wife that s/he can't do as their brother/sister? Other than give birth to their child? Because I fail to see any romantic chemistry between Corrin and any of the brothers (and the siblings as a whole, if we want to extend it in general).

She can heal them through sex of course, because her wonderful magical woman parts can cure ANYTHING, how DARE you not get that she's speshul only her love can save them blah blah blah.

Have I mentioned that the fandom portrayal of F!Corrin irks me beyond belief? Because it does. Especially when they ship her with her brothers, and especially when they use that to "fix" them, completely dismissing the power of platonic and familial love as if Corrin would refuse to help their siblings unless they get laid.

(Also, I completely agree that Corrin completely lacks romantic chemistry with any and all of the siblings, both in story and in supports. Especially Takumi, who just goes back to being snarky and distant in their support chain for reasons I can't discern.)

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She can heal them through sex of course, because her wonderful magical woman parts can cure ANYTHING, how DARE you not get that she's speshul only her love can save them blah blah blah.

Have I mentioned that the fandom portrayal of F!Corrin irks me beyond belief? Because it does. Especially when they ship her with her brothers, and especially when they use that to "fix" them, completely dismissing the power of platonic and familial love as if Corrin would refuse to help their siblings unless they get laid.

(Also, I completely agree that Corrin completely lacks romantic chemistry with any and all of the siblings, both in story and in supports. Especially Takumi, who just goes back to being snarky and distant in their support chain for reasons I can't discern.)

Well duh! Everyone knows that sex (especially when initiated by a woman) can heal any emotional trauma you care to name! Obviously, sex can only be a good thing and the idea that sex can complicate or even ruin a relationship reveals the basest ignorance of some people! Trust me, I'm a certified expert in sexy times and fanfiction logic.

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Have I mentioned that the fandom portrayal of F!Corrin irks me beyond belief? Because it does. Especially when they ship her with her brothers, and especially when they use that to "fix" them, completely dismissing the power of platonic and familial love as if Corrin would refuse to help their siblings unless they get laid.

Maybe it's just me, but F!Corrin comes off as more controlling, mean and self-centered that M!Corrin.

And she can pretty mean too, like with Odin and Hinata.

M!Corrin, on the other hand comes off as more awkward, gentle and naive compared to his female counterpart. Which makes sense, considering how sheltered Corrin was

What is it people don't like about Corrin/Leo?

Because it comes across as a unhealthy relationship.

Not because of the incest, but because Leo become very dependent on Corrin, just look at his My Room, which is really unhealthy for someone with his emotional issues.

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What is it people don't like about Corrin/Leo?

-It's a sibling ship

-Lack of romantic chemistry

-Some aspects of the relationship can come across as 'creepy'

-The constant deluge of art and fanfiction for the pairing despite the above issues is a little obnoxious

Those are just my thoughts though, they're hardly universal.

Maybe it's just me, but F!Corrin comes off as more controlling, mean and self-centered that M!Corrin.

And she can pretty mean too, like with Odin and Hinata.

M!Corrin, on the other hand comes off as more awkward, gentle and naive compared to his female counterpart. Which makes sense, considering how sheltered Corrin was.

It's a consequence of the slightly divergent personalities i.e. the female is more peppy and energetic while the male is more laid-back and gentle. I think it's just that because they're more energetic and assertive they can come across as more 'bossy' in some supports, but I find it tends to vary; some have them as a little more peppy and teasing while others make them seam mean-spirited at times.

That is, unless you find the 40+% of fanfiction that makes F!Corrin a bland and generic moeblob.

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-It's a sibling ship

-Lack of romantic chemistry

-Some aspects of the relationship can come across as 'creepy'

-The constant deluge of art and fanfiction for the pairing despite the above issues is a little obnoxious

Those are just my thoughts though, they're hardly universal.

It's a consequence of the slightly divergent personalities i.e. the female is more peppy and energetic while the male is more laid-back and gentle. I think it's just that because they're more energetic and assertive they can come across as more 'bossy' in some supports, but I find it tends to vary; some have them as a little more peppy and teasing while others make them seam mean-spirited at times.

That is, unless you find the 40+% of fanfiction that makes F!Corrin a bland and generic moeblob.

Actually, it seems to that most games with Avatars are like this.

Male Avatars are usually quiet and gentle, and Female Avatars are usually peppy and energetic.

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Actually, it seems to that most games with Avatars are like this.

Male Avatars are usually quiet and gentle, and Female Avatars are usually peppy and energetic.

Same for their kids to. We love Morgan for being the energetic troll that she is, but I don't think I need to explain why her support with Yarne doesn't reflect well on her.

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As I've been married over 7 years to someone with actual insecurity and anxiety issues, I can't say any of the characters' My Room lines strike me as being bad.

Edit: Lady Corrin does come across as being mean to Odin for sure! Hinata, I think their support can be interpreted differently. She's also pretty mean to Arthur and Kaden has My Room lines that suggest she's mean to him there.

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Same for their kids to. We love Morgan for being the energetic troll that she is, but I don't think I need to explain why her support with Yarne doesn't reflect well on her.

And going out of Fire Emblem for a bit, it's similar with Avatars of other franchises.

Take Pokemon for example, the male player character usually comes across as calm and quiet and the female player character comes across as peppy.

Perosna 3 is like this too.

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As I've been married over 7 years to someone with actual insecurity and anxiety issues, I can't say any of the characters' My Room lines strike me as being bad.

Edit: Lady Corrin does come across as being mean to Odin for sure! Hinata, I think their support can be interpreted differently. She's also pretty mean to Arthur and Kaden has My Room lines that suggest she's mean to him there.

Takumi: I would do anything for you. Would you do anything for me? I need to know...

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As I've been married over 7 years to someone with actual insecurity and anxiety issues, I can't say any of the characters' My Room lines strike me as being bad.

But do you think any of Takumi and Leo's fangirls would actually have the patience to deal with somwone like that?

Edit: Lady Corrin does come across as being mean to Odin for sure! Hinata, I think their support can be interpreted differently. She's also pretty mean to Arthur and Kaden has My Room lines that suggest she's mean to him there.

Does Male Corrin ever comes across as mean to someone?

I think the worst he does is teasing, but other than that, I don't he's ever a jerk to anyone in his supports.

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Does Male Corrin ever comes across as mean to someone?

I think the worst he does is teasing, but other than that, I don't he's ever a jerk to anyone in his supports.

Actually, from what I see a lot of the time it's other people being a jerk to M!Corrin. His C-Support with Hana has her acting like an arse to him because he made Sakura cry...by being kidnapped as a child by a ruthless dictator. That support alone pretty much ruined her for me.

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Takumi: I would do anything for you. Would you do anything for me? I need to know...

Yeah, I'm including that line. Perhaps if Takumi texts it ten times in an hour because you didn't immediately respond the first time...

I actually recently spent a couple of weeks unlocking every first gen marriage for a Corrin, out of interest (and because not everything comes across well when reading off the wiki).

But do you think any of Takumi and Leo's fangirls would actually have the patience to deal with somwone like that?

Does Male Corrin ever comes across as mean to someone?

I think the worst he does is teasing, but other than that, I don't he's ever a jerk to anyone in his supports.

I am certainly not about to speak for an entire community. I do think that any group of fans who dwell that intensely on a fictional character (and hey, I include myself here) probably have a higher-than-average percentage of insecure and anxious people in it, so people able to speak from personal experience.

Generally, anxiety's not something that's really going to go away; there are methods of coping and addressing the issues, but it's something needing continuous work.

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Also, another issue I see with Leokumi is that usually both Leon and Takumi will forget that they have family and retainers who all care about them and fall into the whole "YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO'S EVER CARED FOR ME" tripe which is tried and tired and stupid as fuck.

If there's one aspect of shipping I hate...well, not most, but a lot, platonic and familial relationships getting ignored like that is it.

And she can pretty mean too, like with Odin and Hinata.

I'm not sure how she's mean to Hinata in their support? And quite honestly I feel for her (and male Corrin, since their C-A supports are the same) more than I do Odin, but then again Odin's been slowly but surely grating on me as I've gotten more and more of his supports. He's actually regressed since Awakening, unlike Laslow and Selena who actually grew as characters, because at least in Awakening he wasn't all his gimmick all the time and the writers hadn't forgotten that most of his personality was an act, and that he could (and did quite a bit) be serious and hold normal conversations with people.

(And it's just a rehash of his Awakening support with female Robin, on top of everything else.)

Speaking of overrated ships, Xander/Charlotte since it was brought up last page. Their chemistry's not great, Charlotte has better romantic supports with Benny and Kaden, and Charlotte!Siegbert isn't that good.

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While I do like Takumi's character, marrying him basically means that you have an extra child to raise and I can't fathom why anyone would want that. The same can be said for Leo, though to a somewhat lesser extent.

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