Jump to content
omegaxis1

The True Tragedy of Three Houses

Recommended Posts

20 minutes ago, Flere210 said:

Personally i just read it as The Galatea being into the whole knight thing and refusing to use the pegasi for more mundane tasks, because would deprive them of the one thing they can proud themselves for. In non BL routes Ingrid stop caring that much about chivalry so she can use her resources in a more efficient manner, with good results.

It's pegasi dung. If they knew it'd work as fertilizer, they'd have used it ages ago. They have 400 years. It's a giant leap in logic to assume that they refused to use it. 

15 minutes ago, Julian Solo said:

I mean if we think about it for 20 seconds. There’s no actual in game evidence at all Rhea held back humanity at all zero.

Abyss has records stating that Rhea very much DID hold back technological advancements. Hell, even made it so that Faerghus was not allowed to use oil, not that I am personally against that. But holding back autopsies, metal molding printers, and telescopes is just bad.  

20 minutes ago, Julian Solo said:

Adrestia the country that doesn’t even have heroes relics like the other two. According to Shamir completely destroyed Dagda.

That Shamir dialogue is a mistranslation. Adrestia never once destroyed Dagda. Hell, it's been written that Adrestia TRIED to invade Dagda in the past, and got beaten. 

Here's the actual one:

Quote

シャミア「いや、あんたといると退屈しないでいい。戦争に負けてフォドラに取り残されたが・・・あんたと出会えただけで釣りが来る。おや、何だ、その顔。言っていなかったか?私は10年前に帝国軍に敗れた、ダグサの傭兵だ。傭兵にとっちゃ、敵も味方もない。今はこうしてあんたらに雇われる身さ。変わらず頼ってくれよ。いいな?」

Translation
Shamir: No, I'm happy that being with you is not boring (is entertaining). After losing the war and being left behind in Fodlan... Being able to meet you was a good exchange. Ohh, what's with that face? Did I not tell you? 10 years ago, I was a Dagdan mercenary who lost against the Imperial Army. As a mercenary, there is no such thing as having allies or enemies. After all, I'm being hired by all of you now. Don't change, and continue relying on me, okay?

So no, Adrestia never destroyed Dagda. Shamir lost in the Dagda-Brigid war a decade ago, and was left behind. 

21 minutes ago, Julian Solo said:

There’s books litterally every where as well. That list was clearly one of the fake ones Linhardt was talking about.

That's what you are assuming, but everything that was in the books we read are things very much true. Also, the list of tech being banned are placed behind a fake cover about insects, which obviously is to hide the fact that it's revealing about how the Church prevented the advancement of tech.

22 minutes ago, Julian Solo said:

Half the seven and the Kingdom half that worked with the slithers don’t even have crests.Heck there is even a slither mage in Sylvain and Raphaels paralogue. Implying Miklan and Lorenz dad where being manipulated by them as well.

Do you think that if a mage is wearing those bird masks, they are a slither agent? Cause no, they aren't. There's no actual indication that the slithers were behind Miklan or Lorenz's dad. Slither agent tend to have specific titles on them, being called "Mysterious Mages" at worst, "Agarthan" at best. 

36 minutes ago, Julian Solo said:

The game never actually shows the church being in the wrong ever. Oh no Rhea became the leader of a church she didn’t even create to form an army. To stop a guy who wants to wipe out her species and lied to defend afterwards that defended her species an the elites descendants from prosecution and hatred. Because you know Genocide and killing the continents god and savior. Would totally make you socially excepted. Church bad is all hearsay with no actual in game evidence an is never show ever. 

... What?

The game's done a LOT to make us understand, but you're trying to justify every action as if that's perfectly reasonable. When no, it isn't.

Let's look at things. 

Lonato's rebellion. Manipulated or not, the Church KNOWS the reason for Lonato's anger, but rather than actually try to settle this peacefully, or just merely defend themselves, the Church actually sends the Knights of Seiros to suppress the rebellion, killing absolutely everyone, including the civilians that sided with Lonato. Rhea showed absolutely no remorse in regards to it and justified herself. This is also even worse is that Rhea lied to the people about Lonato's son, and he was never part of the Tragedy of Duscur, but rather a part to assassinate Rhea. Rhea lied to the people and framed people for a crime to cover the actual crime. Making the excuse that it was to keep the peace is BS cause again, this is the Church actually participating in dealing with dirty things behind everyone's back for their own political power to remain intact.

Again, same thing with the Western Church, to the point that she went to purge the Western Church, killing everyone again. She doesn't hold any actual trials or tries to know who is guilty or not. This is made worse when it's noted in Abyss that the Western Church believed that the Central Church was behind the Tragedy of Duscur.

Knowing about the dangers of the Relics, but tries to insist that it's best to be kept a secret to prevent nobles from losing the trust of the people. But this incident happened because the dangers of the Relics were kept a secret. 

Not to mention that the Church backed Loog's claim for independence in exchange for making the newly found Kingdom follow the Church's religion and give the Church proselytizing rights. This is already betraying the Empire and also breaking all rules in regards to neutrality, which the Church, as the third party not actually involved in the conflict between Loog and the Empire, should have been. 

There is plenty of evidence and problems of the Church, moreso with Rhea at the helm. 

Also, Rhea confessed that she went against Nemesis to get revenge. But remember that the War of Heroes lasted for 66 long years. Is revenge for genocide a justified reason for dragging an entire continent into war for 66 years? The answer is no. Revenge is NEVER a justified reason. Understandable, but not justified. They aren't the same thing. If you justify that, then the Agarthans have every right to be justified for the same. But obviously not. Hell, Dimitri's story is about redemption. Why? Because otherwise, he's unjustified.

Revenge is not justice. 

Not to mention, humanity doesn't even know of the existence of Nabateans. So lying to "protect" the remaining Nabateans make absolutely no sense when no one even knows of their existence. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It makes zero sense that the church or anybody else would encourage starvation, which is what happens when you deliberately "withold agricultural techniques".  On the other hand, it does make sense that the church would take credit for the land's fertility. It would make sense if the church unveiled these mysterious agricultural techniques and said, "Look, more gifts from the goddess". Starving desperate people will rise up and rebel. Nobody wants that. 

The mediaeval church banned autopsies because human beings are made in god's image and their bodies should be respected after death. I can't believe Rhea had the same reason. Honestly having the church of Seiros ban autopsies makes no sense either, especially since Hanneman has all these tools for reading people's crests and stuff. 

A lot of the rhetorical questions here are rather assuming that the church is malevolent and that human beings are rational creatures. It's a real stretch to blame the church for Galatea's lack of development. I mean, none of the other principalities in Faerghus have Galatea's problem - maybe the other Faerghus nobility are witholding the knowledge of the agricultural techniques from Galatea? Or maybe it was King Lambert? Or what about Daphnel, they're close to Galatea and they don't have problems with their farming. They must be keeping the secrets from those poor Galatean peasants. 

Quote

And if you were doing things so right, why is half the continent willing to revolt against you? During the equivalent of medieval times, aka a time when religious authorities could easily trump political leaders?

Because political leaders always have an eye to the main advantage. If they can overthrow Rhea and replace her with someone less effective, which means more power for them, they'll do it. It's funny how despite the fact that she's ruled Fodlan with a so-called iron fist for a millenium, the religious spirit really doesn't run very deep in many of the elite. It's because they're human beings and they care about power and status. 

I'm totally on board with any solid argument that can show Rhea is less than perfect. But these illogical arguments are unconvincing. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Licoriceallsorts said:

 

The mediaeval church banned autopsies because human beings are made in god's image and their bodies should be respected after death. I can't believe Rhea had the same reason. Honestly having the church of Seiros ban autopsies makes no sense either, especially since Hanneman has all these tools for reading people's crests and stuff. 

 

I think you're touching at one of the very reasons Rhea don't want autopsies, beyond the justification given in the text of 'plebs infringing on Faith Magic and the Church's monopoly on healing' with the mention of Hanneman: true nature of Crests and Relics. I don't think everyone was nice enough to self-censure themselves once they learnt too much like that monk analyzing Relics in the Shadow Library, so cutting off research on that front seems logic (and attracting erudites at Garreg Mach by being the big learning center allows to know how close they are of uncomfortable truth... preferably when they can be convinced/coerced into silence, defintively or not, and for instance join the crews making these Golems the Church use). Identifying the Crests like they do is no biggie, but digging deeper...

And yes Hanneman create his tools in his endings... After the war which, no matter the outcome broke the Church as it was, and Rhea's style for ruling.

And the desecration angle is brought up here too amongst the list of reasons for the interdiction.

 

6 minutes ago, Licoriceallsorts said:

Because political leaders always have an eye to the main advantage. If they can overthrow Rhea and replace her with someone less effective, which means more power for them, they'll do it. It's funny how despite the fact that she's ruled Fodlan with a so-called iron fist for a millenium, the religious spirit really doesn't run very deep in many of the elite. It's because they're human beings and they care about power and status. 

 

I was actually refering to the civilian population in general here, not just the nobles Edelgard already purged in her counter-coup. Elites will follow power, yes, but faith can still push pretty massive movements amongst masses: a later example than medieval times, but French Revolution, a time when the Catholic Church had lost the bigger part of its political power and the revolutionary governments were making big moves against said Church? Still sparked an intense guerilla who lasted for years, despite how bloody and savage repression was.

At a time when faith held a greater place in the common folk's heart (and in RL, Church could remove HRE emperors if it pushed hard enough), and when it could be used as a rallying flag for resistants to Edelgard's counter-coup really easy... There is a pregnant lack of such reaction described in the game, beyond mentions of unrest having quited down in Crimson Flower.

 

20 minutes ago, Licoriceallsorts said:

It makes zero sense that the church or anybody else would encourage starvation, which is what happens when you deliberately "withold agricultural techniques".  On the other hand, it does make sense that the church would take credit for the land's fertility. It would make sense if the church unveiled these mysterious agricultural techniques and said, "Look, more gifts from the goddess". Starving desperate people will rise up and rebel. Nobody wants that. 

 

Yes, probably that. Still working for a monopole on knowledge heavily favoring them here though. Politics 101, but still not good news for society at large.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Licoriceallsorts said:

It makes zero sense that the church or anybody else would encourage starvation, which is what happens when you deliberately "withold agricultural techniques".  On the other hand, it does make sense that the church would take credit for the land's fertility. It would make sense if the church unveiled these mysterious agricultural techniques and said, "Look, more gifts from the goddess". Starving desperate people will rise up and rebel. Nobody wants that. 

The mediaeval church banned autopsies because human beings are made in god's image and their bodies should be respected after death. I can't believe Rhea had the same reason. Honestly having the church of Seiros ban autopsies makes no sense either, especially since Hanneman has all these tools for reading people's crests and stuff. 

A lot of the rhetorical questions here are rather assuming that the church is malevolent and that human beings are rational creatures. It's a real stretch to blame the church for Galatea's lack of development. I mean, none of the other principalities in Faerghus have Galatea's problem - maybe the other Faerghus nobility are witholding the knowledge of the agricultural techniques from Galatea? Or maybe it was King Lambert? Or what about Daphnel, they're close to Galatea and they don't have problems with their farming. They must be keeping the secrets from those poor Galatean peasants. 

It's not a case of malevolence. It's a case of needing to uphold the power of the Church through its faith. 

But agriculture techniques means that it's not the blessing of the goddess at all. As Claude said, who believes that the goddess is not responsible for the crops, and only sees the goddess as a source of emotional and spiritual support, not practical.

And whether you want to believe it or not, we KNOW for a fact that Rhea DID ban autopsies. In fact, apart from oil, the advancements and such were all banned from the worry of causing problems for the church. Autopsies were banned because if it surpasses white magic, which relies on faith, then it would shake the foundation of the Church. 

Hanneman's device scans a person for Crest. That has nothing to do with autopsies. So I don't know why you think that Hanneman's device is proof of otherwise.

Again, we know for a fact that Ingrid discovered how to work hard to restore the land of Galatea from reading the library books in Garreg Mach. During this wartime, the Church really has no way of restraining anyone from reading the books now that it's wartime. It's also why Linhardt takes advantage to try and research Garreg Mach more, even mentions it in his A support with Edelgard where he couldn't investigate the Holy Tomb before, but now could. 

Quote

Ingrid Advice Box: Isn't there a way to turn withered, barren land into soil that is rich and abundant with crops? It pains my heart to see people dying of starvation.

Answer: Check the library for books on unique farming techniques.

If the Church's library has farming techniques that can actually did what it did, why did the Church, which had sat on this information all this time NOT extend a help? 

This is also the very problem with the banning of the metal-mold printing press. Had Rhea not banned this, information would have passed much more easily, and would have given commoners a REASON to become literate. 

You know the saying, "Knowledge is power." 

And the Church controlling information and having the biggest knowledge in the continent makes it hold a LOT of power as a result. 

33 minutes ago, Licoriceallsorts said:

Because political leaders always have an eye to the main advantage. If they can overthrow Rhea and replace her with someone less effective, which means more power for them, they'll do it. It's funny how despite the fact that she's ruled Fodlan with a so-called iron fist for a millenium, the religious spirit really doesn't run very deep in many of the elite. It's because they're human beings and they care about power and status. 

I'm totally on board with any solid argument that can show Rhea is less than perfect. But these illogical arguments are unconvincing. 

Reverse that logic. If people are unwilling to revolt against Rhea, it just pronounces how much power they have. Did anyone help Lonato in rebellion against the Church? Nope. He only had the people in his own territory help. 

It's only when Edelgard purged any nobles against her and then launched a war, actually pushing forward and not being pushed back by the Church that the nobles actually feel more confident in allying with her.

10 minutes ago, Hardric62 said:

I was actually refering to the civilian population in general here, not just the nobles Edelgard already purged in her counter-coup. Elites will follow power, yes, but faith can still push pretty massive movements amongst masses: a later example than medieval times, but French Revolution, a time when the Catholic Church had lost the bigger part of its political power and the revolutionary governments were making big moves against said Church? Still sparked an intense guerilla who lasted for years, despite how bloody and savage repression was.

At a time when faith held a greater place in the common folk's heart (and in RL, Church could remove HRE emperors if it pushed hard enough), and when it could be used as a rallying flag for resistants to Edelgard's counter-coup really easy... There is a pregnant lack of such reaction described in the game, beyond mentions of unrest having quited down in Crimson Flower.

Doesn't this actually give more credence to Edelgard needing to unite the continent? People critcize her invading faerghus and the Alliance, but if the Church still holds influence and authority in the other nations, then refusing to unite the continent only gives room for the Church's influence to have either the Kingdom or Aliance, or both, in the future just launch another war and destroy the Empire for what it did. 

Cause once a war is over, that's when rebellions and assassinations are always at their most likely chance of happening. 

Edited by omegaxis1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So the books on agricultural techniques were right there in the library for anybody to read? No attempt by the church to censor or suppress them? I think you're reading way too much into this situation. Maybe Rhea didn't feel it was her place to interfere in the internal management of a lord's estate, not without an invitation. Maybe none of the Galateas ever asked for help. Maybe it never even crossed Rhea's mind that the Galateas were simply ignorant of agricultural techniques openly available on the library shelves.  Maybe Ingrid is the first Galatea to feel driven to do something about the situation. And hey - all she had to do was ask and "yeah, check the library, they've probably got some books on it there" was the simple answer.  It is always a bad idea to let people starve as they become violent and unpredictable, and it is very easy to attribute new agricultural techniques to a revelation from the goddess. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Licoriceallsorts said:

So the books on agricultural techniques were right there in the library for anybody to read? No attempt by the church to censor or suppress them? I think you're reading way too much into this situation. Maybe Rhea didn't feel it was her place to interfere in the internal management of a lord's estate, not without an invitation. Maybe none of the Galateas ever asked for help. Maybe it never even crossed Rhea's mind that the Galateas were simply ignorant of agricultural techniques openly available on the library shelves.  Maybe Ingrid is the first Galatea to feel driven to do something about the situation. And hey - all she had to do was ask and "yeah, check the library, they've probably got some books on it there" was the simple answer.  It is always a bad idea to let people starve as they become violent and unpredictable, and it is very easy to attribute new agricultural techniques to a revelation from the goddess. 

Keep in mind that there are PLENTY of books that are not permitted to be read by the students. So there's no telling what books are restricted from access. And any Church person may not even be permitted to use the books for the other nations, since, you know, they gotta be loyal to the church above all else. Nobles are noted to abandon their titles to join the Church even. 

Also, saying that Rhea did not feel her place to interfere ignores how she does interfere for her own political agenda. She did interfere in the Loog rebellion to strike a bargain with Loog to help him gain independence in exchange to helping strength the Church's influence over his region. She did meddle into the Tragedy of Duscur to frame and execute people of the crime due to them being political obstacles. 

No, there's a limit to not knowing anything about improving the agriculture of Faerghus when the Church's library has had information on it for so many years. It's impossible for Rhea to not know how to help. 

Keep in mind that the library being checked out during Part 2 no longer bears any restrictions on students any longer, due to the state the church is in now and the ongoing war. So Byleth telling Ingrid to read a book from the library only pushes how the information was always there, but no effort was done to help. 

Keep in mind that Rhea will sacrifice plenty of people to satisfy an overall. 

The entire point of the issue with Rhea is that she had the power and influence to stop MANY of the problems from happening before it reached that point. But she cared little about those and more interested in reviving her mother and keeping the Church's political influence on top of things for when Sothis would surely return.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 This thread has literally become what it was always going to rhae hate thread it was either going to be her or edelgard you can never have it in between opinion and look at it from a fantasy bases especially since none of this ever matters because all the endings are the same so no one's wrong inside the end this is why I never understood why the baits end up becoming about them to all the time especially one like this where it's trying to say everyone was wrong in the end and that it all could have been ended we're talking because everyone seemed to forgot that this was supposed to talk about the tragedy of the game 

 

 

the biggest tragedy of this game is that it always underlined turns into two characters and their fans arguing like insane lunatics as if they're real life people but that proves one thing that characters are great

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, jawaunw said:

 This thread has literally become what it was always going to rhae hate thread it was either going to be her or edelgard you can never have it in between opinion and look at it from a fantasy bases especially since none of this ever matters because all the endings are the same so no one's wrong inside the end this is why I never understood why the baits end up becoming about them to all the time especially one like this where it's trying to say everyone was wrong in the end and that it all could have been ended we're talking because everyone seemed to forgot that this was supposed to talk about the tragedy of the game 

 

 

the biggest tragedy of this game is that it always underlined turns into two characters and their fans arguing like insane lunatics as if they're real life people but that proves one thing that characters are great

It's not a Rhea "hate" thread, dude.

Nor any kind of hate thread. 

Stop thinking pointing out ways of criticizing characters as indicators of "hate". 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

It's not a Rhea "hate" thread, dude.

Nor any kind of hate thread. 

Stop thinking pointing out ways of criticizing characters as indicators of "hate". 

you must be making the wrong assessment here first it's not a hate thread I know that I'm just being the douche but in the end there is very much an unnecessary amount of talking about her specifically I don't really care about her character frankly I hate all of the Lord The real tragedy of the game is that all of the side characters themselves are more interesting than our main characters overall

I want everyone that's spending their time talking about this dumbass cuz she is very stupid throughout the throughout the entire story especially since most of the arguments about any of the Lords involve head canon and very much a lot of guest work

Edited by jawaunw

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, jawaunw said:

you must be making the wrong assessment here first it's not a hate thread I know that I'm just being the douche but in the end there is very much an unnecessary amount of talking about her specifically I don't really care about her character frankly I hate all of the Lord The real tragedy of the game is that all of the side characters themselves are more interesting than our main characters overall

I want everyone that's spending their time talking about this dumbass cuz she is very stupid throughout the throughout the entire story especially since most of the arguments about any of the Lords involve head canon and very much a lot of guest work

Dude, the talks transition from one thing to the next. There's been talks of just Dimitri, then Claude, then Edelgard.

It's not solely stuck or ends with just one. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You're 100% down with slagging on Edelgard elsewhere so I'm not really going think you're arguing in good faith here.

If you're averse to Rhea criticism, I suggest not inviting yourself into the conversation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Crysta said:

You're 100% down with slagging on Edelgard elsewhere so I'm not really going think you're arguing in good faith here.

If you're averse to Rhea criticism, I suggest not inviting yourself into the conversation.

I'm not averse to Rhea criticism I hate her 3rd out of all of the Lords 

My problem is is that she's a self-righted idiot that you see all of the problems from base in the game easily it's not that hard she's actually a very simple character most people try to make her complicated but she's just very simple Jesus disgusting disgrace of a character that is more of a plot device which is why we can't even play with her in the damn game lacking any personality at all a waste of damn time if you want to try and support with her and is a complete and other cardboard cutout of a villain inside of crimson flower because of her that route completely sucks because even I can tell that this was the most rush villain s*** ever The only two other people I hate more than her is Dimitri and edelgard and I could write pages on how much I hate Dimitri

Edited by jawaunw

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, jawaunw said:

I'm not averse to Rhea criticism I hate her 3rd out of all of the Lords 

My problem is is that she's a self-righted idiot that you see all of the problems from base in the game easily it's not that hard she's actually a very simple character most people try to make her complicated but she's just very simple Jesus disgusting disgrace of a character that is more of a plot device which is why we can't even play with her in the damn game lacking any personality at all a waste of damn time if you want to try and support with her and is a complete and other cardboard cutout of a villain inside of crimson flower because of her that route completely sucks because even I can tell that this was the most rush villain s*** ever The only two other people I hate more than her is Dimitri and edelgard and I could write pages on how much I hate Dimitri

She isn't a simple character and you shouldn't tell people they're discussing her the wrong way lmao

Her place in the story and her motivations are pivotal and she's going to be talked about. Again, if you don't like it, move on. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Crysta said:

She isn't a simple character and you shouldn't tell people they're discussing her the wrong way lmao

Her place in the story and her motivations are pivotal and she's going to be talked about. Again, if you don't like it, move on. 

You're right maybe I should move on but I still have to say I still think she's simple like we don't even see her in part 2 I can understand edelgard because she's the actual antagonist of three routes in the protagonist of one but Rhea just feels like a cardboard cut out and when people talk about her it's like when they talk about vaan from final fantasy but at least we have actual time with him I just feel like talking about her is an actual waste but I'm sorry if I offended anybody

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, jawaunw said:

You're right maybe I should move on but I still have to say I still think she's simple like we don't even see her in part 2 I can understand edelgard because she's the actual antagonist of three routes in the protagonist of one but Rhea just feels like a cardboard cut out and when people talk about her it's like when they talk about vaan from final fantasy but at least we have actual time with him I just feel like talking about her is an actual waste but I'm sorry if I offended anybody

As I was complaining about earlier, Edelgard gets shelved almost exactly as much as Rhea in part 2. She appears in Gronder to do nothing of value in 2/3 of the routes and then you kill her.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It just feels like you're barging in to tell us to stop talking about something you don't want to discuss and like... it's a forum thread. You don't need to click it if it bothers you.

As for the current debate re: farming techniques I really don't know and I'm more in agreement with @Licoriceallsorts on that count. Casually going "read about it in the library!" suggests the knowledge is accessible, even if it may be limited in scope. And as much as I know Rhea is keen on making sure humankind is reliant on the Church, holding back farm tech may make her partially responsible for no small amount of starvation, and that doesn't help with maintaining order. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Jotari said:

As I was complaining about earlier, Edelgard gets shelved almost exactly as much as Rhea in part 2. She appears in Gronder to do nothing of value in 2/3 of the routes and then you kill her.

Frankly, it's one thing for AM and VW, but SS is just dumb as hell.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So I have to wonder. Has anyone ever actually felt bothered by how there's always been constant talk of relations with the Church in regards to each nation, but one has to wonder, how much has there been talk of relations with one another?

Like, the Empire, Kingdom, and Alliance all seldom talk of how they work with each other. 

The only times we know the nations ever worked together in some things is when Almyra first invaded, and the Empire saved the Alliance from them. Then how all three nations worked together to create Fodlan's Locket. 

Beyond that, it's a tad odd how there never seems any forms of effort to really communicate with one another, right?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We know that certain factions are in line with each other (Gloucester and the Empire is one example).  I don't think it's expanded much beyond that (or maybe it is, and it's a book I missed or something).

Still, don't double-post.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, eclipse said:

We know that certain factions are in line with each other (Gloucester and the Empire is one example).  I don't think it's expanded much beyond that (or maybe it is, and it's a book I missed or something).

It's just weird how little information seems to travel. Like, all info that individual nations have of one another is that they "heard" this or that, but that's about it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

It's just weird how little information seems to travel. Like, all info that individual nations have of one another is that they "heard" this or that, but that's about it. 

Does the mother thing that further enhances the lack of communication and misunderstandings between the leaders of the different nations. Having mostly finished verdant wind, one thing I kind of realised is that Edelgard and Claude pretty much have the same goal, people will be fine, regardless of who of these two win the war. It is to the point where I feel like there wouldn't be a conflict at if they bothered to communicate

Either way, am I the only one bothered by people saying that Edelgard committed genocide? She only killed a single individual. Among the children of the goddess, the others are optional. If she is racist towards the children of the goddess, then explain why she has such affection for Byleth, who she believes to be one of them. And I am assuming that no one is stupid enough to argue that wiping out the Agarthans was a bad thing

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Darkmoon6789 said:

Does the mother thing that further enhances the lack of communication and misunderstandings between the leaders of the different nations. Having mostly finished verdant wind, one thing I kind of realised is that Edelgard and Claude pretty much have the same goal, people will be fine, regardless of who of these two win the war. It is to the point where I feel like there wouldn't be a conflict at if they bothered to communicate

Either way, am I the only one bothered by people saying that Edelgard committed genocide? She only killed a single individual. Among the children of the goddess, the others are optional. If she is racist towards the children of the goddess, then explain why she has such affection for Byleth, who she believes to be one of them. And I am assuming that no one is stupid enough to argue that wiping out the Agarthans was a bad thing

Jeralt actually talks about how there was apparently some "civil war" in the Empire in the JP version, but says it wasn't a big deal. Except this was a big deal, as that was the Insurrection of the Seven, which caused Edelgard to suffer so much and the Agarthans to gain control of the Empire. The amount of information that really doesn't get passed around so much actually makes me think that the lack of communication from the characters is just the case of how Fodlan itself is too embroiled in their own personal goals that they just don't know how to actually talk. 

You are not. And people absolutely LOVE to overhype the reused dialogue Edelgard says to Flayn, something she literally says the exact same thing to against Seteth.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Jeralt actually talks about how there was apparently some "civil war" in the Empire in the JP version, but says it wasn't a big deal. Except this was a big deal, as that was the Insurrection of the Seven, which caused Edelgard to suffer so much and the Agarthans to gain control of the Empire. The amount of information that really doesn't get passed around so much actually makes me think that the lack of communication from the characters is just the case of how Fodlan itself is too embroiled in their own personal goals that they just don't know how to actually talk. 

You are not. And people absolutely LOVE to overhype the reused dialogue Edelgard says to Flayn, something she literally says the exact same thing to against Seteth.

That dialogue was probably meant for Seteth, who is essentially Rhea's second-in-command. They just didn't bother having unique dialogue with Flayn. I still argue that there is no way Edelgard wouldn't be aware that Byleth spared them, especially with Seteth as there is standard practice of having every unit gather around the boss of the mission, it is therefore very likely the player would have Edelgard very close nearby. I just don't think she cares if they are spared as long as they get out of her way, it is the same thing with Claude. She is willing to spare his life if he goes away and stops resisting. 

Yes, that civil war is very important, in fact, the church and the rest of Fodlan refusing to do anything about the insurrection is essentially what started the events of this entire game. Rhea let her ancient enemy gain power over the most powerful nation on the continent right under her nose and she didn't even realise it

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From what information there is about the nations in Three Houses, I got the impression that they mostly distant with each other. However Adrestian Empire has a history with the islands; also  Leicester Alliance have a rough time with Almyra. The times countries do interact in game, the church plays in some role. 

The way I see it, Claude does understand where Edelgard is coming from. But disagrees with her her a person and methods  She did say that Leicester Alliance was -"merely offshoost" in the first chapter with him overhearing. Plus the whole waging 5 years of war and causing turmoil in the Alliance.

I view Edelgard will wage more of a witch hunt against dragon kind rather a genocide. In most routes Rhea is capured for whatever reason for 5 years. There has to be a deeper reason for that. For her Byleth with relationship I interpret it as "you are one one of the good ones" logic.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Jingle Jangle said:

The way I see it, Claude does understand where Edelgard is coming from. But disagrees with her her a person and methods  She did say that Leicester Alliance was -"merely offshoost" in the first chapter with him overhearing. Plus the whole waging 5 years of war and causing turmoil in the Alliance.

Mistranslation.

Here's the actual line:

Quote

Edelgard: Heh, of course. Despite the decline, what the Empire has cultivated is unmatched in the world.

You'll find that Treehouse sucks quite often when it comes to translating lines. Hell, they even screw up in FEH with abilities.

4 minutes ago, Darkmoon6789 said:

That dialogue was probably meant for Seteth, who is essentially Rhea's second-in-command. They just didn't bother having unique dialogue with Flayn. I still argue that there is no way Edelgard wouldn't be aware that Byleth spared them, especially with Seteth as there is standard practice of having every unit gather around the boss of the mission, it is therefore very likely the player would have Edelgard very close nearby. I just don't think she cares if they are spared as long as they get out of her way, it is the same thing with Claude. She is willing to spare his life if he goes away and stops resisting. 

There is no way that Edelgard isn't aware of their survival. The only reason why Seteth and Flayn retreat cause of Byleth is cause they make it clear that Byleth is the only reason they have hesitation, cause Byleth is the one that saved Flayn's life. So they owe him a debt.

6 minutes ago, Jingle Jangle said:

I view Edelgard will wage more of a witch hunt against dragon kind rather a genocide. In most routes Rhea is capured for whatever reason for 5 years. There has to be a deeper reason for that. For her Byleth with relationship I interpret it as "you are one one of the good ones" logic.

Doubtful. She only wants humans to rule over themselves. A witch hunt implies actual hatred for them, but Edelgard doesn't hate dragons, but hates what they did. She hates the action, not the person. Hence why she asks Byleth what to do if Rhea surrenders, and prefers to have her stripped of political power.

8 minutes ago, Jingle Jangle said:

From what information there is about the nations in Three Houses, I got the impression that they mostly distant with each other. However Adrestian Empire has a history with the islands; also  Leicester Alliance have a rough time with Almyra. The times countries do interact in game, the church plays in some role. 

 

8 minutes ago, Darkmoon6789 said:

Yes, that civil war is very important, in fact, the church and the rest of Fodlan refusing to do anything about the insurrection is essentially what started the events of this entire game. Rhea let her ancient enemy gain power over the most powerful nation on the continent right under her nose and she didn't even realise it

Maybe this is another issue of a information being so restricted due to the technological stagnation. If there were a serious printing press, news would be everywhere, even to other nations about what transpired in the other nations. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...