Bizarro Mafia- Game Over

[eclipse]

You could've asked Rein about that! Regardless, good shot.

[Darros]

You could've asked Rein about that! Regardless, good shot.

I did.

...the day phase after I shot (like this morning/early afternoon)

[eclipse]

You're free to ask before you shoot! The worst Rein will tell you is "I can't say".

[Percivalé]

ITT: Bizz thinks that her lack of logic will cause people to vote.

No, really

I see mafia pretend to not react to suspicions on them

I'm not just throwing out random shit here, and I'm not telling people to vote for you; this is merely my observation.

[Percivalé]

Actually, eclipse, your reaction to that was even worse. That's not how you react to something like that. /;

[eclipse]

And my observation is that you're trying to get me lynched, so any response will seem scummy. Thus, I don't see the point in responding to you.

[Percivalé]

And my observation is that you're trying to get me lynched, so any response will seem scummy. Thus, I don't see the point in responding to you.

Because your reactions really aren't sitting well with me at all. I don't know why people don't look into them more. I'm not in the best position as is, I know, but one rule of NOC is that tunneling on a fixed group of users blinds one's eyes to those who tend to evade suspicion.

[riariadne]

Votals.

eclipse: 1 (Levantamos)

Levantamos: 1 (Blitz, Kevin)

Darros: 0 (Balcerzak)

Core: 1 (Balcerzak)

;/

~9 hours left.

Edited October 2, 2011 by Luka M

[eclipse]

Because your reactions really aren't sitting well with me at all. I don't know why people don't look into them more. I'm not in the best position as is, I know, but one rule of NOC is that tunneling on a fixed group of users blinds one's eyes to those who tend to evade suspicion.

I don't see the point in responding to you, because you're voting for me without really giving a sound, logical reason.

[Balcerzak]

What the fuck Darros, what the fuck. I just I don't even. If you're not lying...

That's such a stupid reason, I'm trying badly to figure out how or why you might try to craft a lie like that if you were scum.

Since I'm coming up short on that front, I think I'm going to have to retract my vote for now. If someone else counterclaims to explain, the vote is going right back on, because that was a waste of an amazing role potential right there. I am not amused.

##Unvote Darros

##Vote Kumquat

Moving onto my next suspect in my previously given list.

Also, Bizz I'm noting your suspicions, and I'm going to go reread over much of eclipses post history here. Just, careful not to get locked into tunnel vision yourself.

Now I have some search history to dig through, it seems.

[Percivalé]

##Unvote Darros

##Vote Kumquat

YES, YOU AGREE WITH ME

Also, Eclipse, it's what you're doing now. First if all, you seem to not take any notice of anyone's suspicions on you. You disregard my own suspicions as illogical, and you refuse to listen to me until I have some sound 'reason,' which I really do (your tendency to dodge everyone's suspicions). I don't know what other kind of reason you're looking for. If you were at CARA right now, you'd be lynched without a thought. It's like that guy on CARA who avoided the question, "Are you vig?" with no fucking reasoning whatsoever. Instead, his response was something along the lines of "let's lynch this guy!" and "maybe, maybe not." I also don't like the way you're trying to pin my reasoning as having no logic, when your reaction had no logic to it, either, and I just... don't like it. This is more than vibes, Eclipse. A lot of your contributions have been small and scattered, and a lot of other posts related to your health (I've posted a few related to being tired/busy, but I've really tried to sit down and see to explaining things more thoroughly now), completely unrelated to the game. Now it seems that you and I are on everyone's "likely to be mafia" lists, right? I've answered any questions they've had for me as best as I can (I have EXTREME trouble explaining myself and wording things concisely, and this really is a serious problem), while you've simply been docile, not even trying to defend yourself or anything. People really need to be voting more.

Also, Bal, I'm aware. I still don't like Core, btw.

[Percivalé]

I don't see the point in responding to you, because you're voting for me without really giving a sound, logical reason.

Well?

I just hate posts like this. You answer me, or you're only making yourself look worse.

[eclipse]

I'm sorry if this is due to my lack of ability to see certain subtleties, but I'm not seeing a direct question from you. All I'm seeing is speculation (a "tendency" does not count as solid proof), with very little logical basis. I am also seeing a distinct lack of dodging "everyone's" suspicions (feel free to correct me on this one). Keep in mind that you've also been complaining about being tired and busy, BUT I don't take that as a scumtell. I take it as "you're tired and busy".

Well?

I just hate posts like this. You answer me, or you're only making yourself look worse.

I feel like I'm being baited into posting something emotional, and I don't like that.

[Percivalé]

I feel like I'm being baited into posting something emotional, and I don't like that.

Why does everyone feel that I'm baiting people into things?

Look, NOC is about discussion. If we just have everyone keeping things to themselves, that's when the game dies. I don't really care what you post, eclipse, so long as that it at least acknowledges the suspicions you seem to have on you. Like... what are your opinions on them? Do you merely not have any? Are you just indifferent? Are you bothered by them at all? I suppose you don't have to answer these questions, but this is mainly just what I'm curious about. In fact, I'll even post my own here:

I don't like them on me, obviously, because the remark I made about SEG was taken completely out of proportion. I had no idea people would take this as me "covering up" for anything, and I really apologize for the scumtell that I didn't see?? But you're all quite mistaken in your sudden suspicions of me, and I'm willing to claim whenever you guys want it. But what I'm seeing here, right now, is a lot of "I find ______ suspicious," but no action being taken about it. At least not during the day; I guess I'm seeing some progress made at night? But if Proto or somewhat is waiting for an opportunity to merely shoot me at night, he'll be wasting his shot. /; As in, because of my role. So this is the kind of thing we need to look into, you know.

[Percivalé]

Anyway, I hope I made that clearer. Trying to work on that, you know.

[eclipse]

Why does everyone feel that I'm baiting people into things?

Look, NOC is about discussion. If we just have everyone keeping things to themselves, that's when the game dies. I don't really care what you post, eclipse, so long as that it at least acknowledges the suspicions you seem to have on you. Like... what are your opinions on them? Do you merely not have any? Are you just indifferent? Are you bothered by them at all? I suppose you don't have to answer these questions, but this is mainly just what I'm curious about. In fact, I'll even post my own here:

I don't like them on me, obviously, because the remark I made about SEG was taken completely out of proportion. I had no idea people would take this as me "covering up" for anything, and I really apologize for the scumtell that I didn't see?? But you're all quite mistaken in your sudden suspicions of me, and I'm willing to claim whenever you guys want it. But what I'm seeing here, right now, is a lot of "I find ______ suspicious," but no action being taken about it. At least not during the day; I guess I'm seeing some progress made at night? But if Proto or somewhat is waiting for an opportunity to merely shoot me at night, he'll be wasting his shot. /; As in, because of my role. So this is the kind of thing we need to look into, you know.

Okay, THIS I understand!

Now, about what votes may/may not have been on me earlier. . .I'll try to remember this (as my laptop doesn't have infinite battery).

- Snike: That's a running joke (started WAY back in TotA mafia), and with him giving no reason whatsoever, I filed his vote under that. Not sure if you want the details on that.

- You: I'm not happy with you insisting I'm mafia because I'm being dodgy. I wanted something like this, so I can make a response that's based off of my head and not my emotions. Goodness knows the last time I landed a town role in a NOC game, I was very, VERY adept at screwing up the town because I got pissed off at them. If you can ask me things directly, I'll have an easier time responding to it.

However, just because I'm not happy doesn't mean I'm gonna run off and vote for you. That would again be playing to my emotions, and said emotions really suck at logic. That's why I would've really appreciated you saying something about SEG, since her style seems more emotional than logical. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me!

Also. . .

*poke* (not a vote): Kay

I'd REALLY like to know how you knew Wen was clear. We might end up in that situation again, and it would help if you could "clear" someone else who's town and not trying very hard to clear themselves.

[Kaoz]

I thought that Vig would have higher priority, mine is only King Diamonds. And if he got to the kill first, my action wouldn't count for anything (this might be me being a mafia idiot though).

I did.

...the day phase after I shot (like this morning/early afternoon)

Clarify please. You asked Rein about whether your shot would remain after the night was over? In that case, you haven't actually answered my question... you can't base a decision on something you didn't know at the time, right?

I don't like this at all (action and reasoning), but so far it's the only explanation we got for the third shot...

##Vote: Core

for now, because of his general activity level. I'll go and reread some of the other stuff, so this is subject to change I guess...

[Percivalé]

Sorry, eclipse--I get really emotional when I play mafia, as you have seen, and I really have trouble getting my points across sometimes. Thank you for your understanding.

Also, eclipse: at first I did not understand what you meant by mean trying to bait you into responding emotionally. I haven't played here in a while, so I felt really uneasy when you said that, but I understand completely now.

As for the SEG thing... I really am sorry about that. Just a lot of silly insecure reasoning and all of that nonsense (I hate being wrong)

but hey, if Core is mafia too then maybe I can redeem myself (who knows??)

##Unvote: Eclipse

The one thing about, him, though, is the last post I remember reading from him: "I might be useful if you keep me around"

it's so vague and ughhh

but it's the one thing making me a little hesitant

also no, I don't feel like linking to the post right now. >:

[Percivalé]

Oh, I meant for that first sentence to read as: "I get really emotional when I play mafia AS WELL, as you have seen already etc etc

[Deliriyum]

Bleh... Yes I've been generally inactive. But inactive=/=scum. My role can be proved, and I'm pretty sure it couldn't be replicated by the mafia.

So, question... Kaoz, do/did you have a protective item after Night 1? If so, I gave it to you. If not, then my action was tampered.

[Deliriyum]

Dear Core,

9. You are Miyamoto Musashi, FORSAKEN Blademaster.

King Hearts

-Over the course of two nights, you may teach someone the way of the sword by replying to this PM "Nights X and X+1: Teaching USER the way of the sword."

-You are limited to teaching one person at a time.

-If successful, that user will be able to defend themselves from two attacks.

-If either you or the student are killed either night, the teaching will be ineffectual.

You are sided with the Forsaken. You win if all anti-Forsaken factions are eliminated.

Seems I misremembered my role. Kaoz can be protected from two attacks, and it never says that it is an item. I do not know if these two protections are automatic, or activated by Kaoz.

[Deliriyum]

oops double post

Edited October 2, 2011 by Kumquat

[riariadne]

Votals

Core: 2

Levantamos: 1

that's phase

(actually it was phase an hour ago, but I was asleep)

[riariadne]

Core was conventionally lynched.

[spoiler=role]

Dear Core,

9. You are Miyamoto Musashi, FORSAKEN Blademaster.

King Hearts

-Over the course of two nights, you may teach someone the way of the sword by replying to this PM "Nights X and X+1: Teaching USER the way of the sword."

-You are limited to teaching one person at a time.

-If successful, that user will be able to defend themselves from two attacks.

-If either you or the student are killed either night, the teaching will be ineffectual.

You are sided with the Forsaken. You win if all anti-Forsaken factions are eliminated.

It's Night Three. Phase ends Tuesday, October 5th, at 3 PM EST.

EDIT: Tuesday. This is not a Day Phase.

(why does it always take me 10 minutes to do this)

Edited October 2, 2011 by Luka M

[Zkirsche]

:/

Regardless, I'm of the opinion that this might be the do-or-die phase, so let's lynch smartly. I've kinda gone off a Bizz lynch, and Darros' and Core's claims seem legit, so I'm thinking Blitz/Eclipse/Balcerzak for the three anti-town roles.

##Unvote

Only eclipse has really contributed a lot, although Bal has started to contribute, but that might be more of an attempt to seem town. Blitz is probably the safest lynch.

##Vote: Blitz