Prince of Tennis Mafia - Game Over

[Percivalé]

Last 24 hours of the day and everyone suddenly stops posting? That's not very cool.

I'd like to hear from Naglfar, Snike and Tables on where they'd probably like to place their votes. Balcerzak too, since I don't think he has voted since the unvote.

Thanks for ignoring my post btw

[Balcerzak]

Last 24 hours of the day and everyone suddenly stops posting? That's not very cool.

I'd like to hear from Naglfar, Snike and Tables on where they'd probably like to place their votes. Balcerzak too, since I don't think he has voted since the unvote.

Sorry, my parents have flown in for graduation (Sunday) so I spent most of the afternoon with them. I've got packing and stuff to do tomorrow, and I'll be driving back to Minnesota on Monday, so I will be a lot sparser in Cycle 2, but I will still check in whenever I can.

Let's start with a vote.

##Unvote:

##Vote: JB

Like with many others he heads the list of suspects for opportunistic behaviour and low original content. Even in the event that he doesn't turn scum, he's worrisome enough that we need a large enough pile to force him to mount a vigorous defense, possibly ending in a claim. This needs to happen soon enough for there to be time to redirect to a new target in the event of unexpected developments, counter-claim fallout, or any of the other myriad unexpected things that could happen as the day comes down to the wire.

The rest of my list in descending order of scumminess go with:

Strawman the DucksawDucky - A bit worried at his reaction to the Tables affair. He's clarified this somewhat and started to generate content, and his position is currently very volatile. He could easily leap several positions to the good end of the spectrum, but I won't know until it happens.

Snike - Isn't giving very much to read off of, and in the absence of a feel of definitely scummy players, neutral buoyancy only gets you so far. Some of the few things he has said have given me a bit of a bad feeling, but I think that may just be gut.

Naglfar - I've already mostly discussed this previous. I think at current juncture this is a reasonable placement

Kay - See Naglfar

Levantamos - I trust her less than Tables, atm, but there's been more opportunities of things to work off of than the people higher on the list.

Tables - Definitely strikes me as the leaning town type, but this could just be accidental benefit of the doubt. I like to be challenged, and I especially like it when it's well-grounded.

eclipse - I have trouble believing that a scum would so steadfastly stick out like a sore-thumb by remaining an immovable vote. There are things I don't particularly like about the way she is conducting herself, but I have trouble reconciling it with a winning scum strategy. She's definitely going to need further evaluation come cycle 2.

Paperblade - Gave off some pretty good vibes early in the day, remaining detached and objective. Slowed down contributing lately, but still seems legit-enough.

Kevin - Over-reacted to initial vote, but honestly has been trying to aid progress and just in general seems unlikely to be scum. I have probably been swayed a fair amount in this placement by Prims's pov on this.

Prims - Active level-headed analysis and general pro-town advancement vibes.

Bal - Because I know my own role.

[Percivalé]

I guess Snike asked for a replacement but declined?

I don't know why he insists on playing if he doesn't want to play. I also kind of wish I knew why I come off as scummy in SF games now; every time I'm mafia people think I'm town and it's been so long since I've been town that I think I've forgotten how to play as town

I guess I'm going to have to work on my own playerlist (order from most to least scummy)

Snike: I don't understand why he insists on playing the game if he's not interested, and he's barely offered any discussion at all.

Strawman: I'll admit I need to look at his posts more thoroughly, since I don't remember quite a few of them. /: I like that he at least saw the point I had on Tables, but he's making me feel a bit ehhh.

Naglfar: His early vote was odd. I found the post in which he voted in to be subtly self-contradictory, and though it's not quite as bad as a few of the other players, I'm feeling a bit off about him. I'm getting this feeling I might be mistaken, though.

Tables: I'm not really sure on Tables anymore. My opinion/vibes on him keep changing. Right now, I'd say 50/50 until I can further decide how I feel about him.

eclipse: I'm wondering what other suspicions eclipse possesses, since right now I can only see her blinding bloodlust for Kevin, who I'm getting pretty townish vibes from at this point. However, I do agree with this, which sets her lower on the list:

- I have trouble believing that a scum would so steadfastly stick out like a sore-thumb by remaining an immovable vote.

Bal: Offering plenty of discussion and good information. His response to Table's attack was pretty justified and thorough.

Kay: Her recent posts make her look town. Offered reasonable explanations for her behavior and nice input.

Paperblade: I like him right now, but as with Prims (and as I mentioned before), he's skilled at being pro-town despite his faction. He's more-or-less tied with Prims.

Prims: I don't feel hald as uneasy about him as I did before, though a couple of things caught my eye: "grasping at straws" seemed to oddly unnerve him (in a mellow way, I don't know how to describe it), and his insistence on viewing me as scum without responding to my defenses (watch, I'm going to get ninja'd on this one by a post from him)

Kevin: I like Kevin despite his early behavior because, as Prims stated before, he only seemed a lot like a jumpy townie if anything. I believe he was only curious about the unexpected second vote (which is legit, I went through it in a game recently except it was three votes and bleh stuff etc.), and unfamiliar/unaware of Prims's type of play.

Me: Because I'm not scum. u_u

[Percivalé]

oh and jb obviously for highest

I don't feel like reiterating myself on him

[Jaybee]

And is he even paying attention to the suspicion aimed at him?

Pretty much every vote on me came in while I was asleep.

And now, to reread.

[Paperblade]

Reads since people are requesting it. They're kind of separated by categories of "bad" "neutral" "good" and the order within those tiers can be subject to my whim/mood.

JB - As I mentioned earlier, all of his votes have been just plopping down on the biggest wagon going "yep yep I agree"

eclipse - Her logic still doesn't make that much sense to me even though I have an idea of what she's saying. idk, the pressuring of Kevin just seems off to me but that may just be my inexperience with NOC

Nags - I am not a fan of the Kevin wagon and his reasoning is quite odd

The three people here jumped onto a bandwagon with very poor reasoning, and I felt like their reasoning hasn't really improved much. JB in particular seems to be acting very oddly, hence my vote on him.

StSS - I'm not feeling the best about him. This may be the fact that he is not as good as some of the other people here meaning that

Snike - He's not really been contributing anything but he did almost request a sub so yeah

Bizz - Feels scatterbrained, null read.

Tables - a bit of a null read, although I found it a bit interesting he didn't find Nags suspicious

Kay - getting a bit of a null read, Kay doesn't seem to be feeling the best

Bal - Bal is smart and contributes, as usual... leaning town

Most of the people in this area haven't talked much (StSS, Snike, Kay) or I don't feel experienced enough to get a good read on them so far (Bal, Tables, Bizz)

Kevin - judging by the speed of the wagon (especially since it was a pileup of people I don't trust) I am inclined to say he's town

Prims - Talkative and contributing, plus I feel like I'm getting a lot of similar reads as him, and when that happens I tend to trust the person a lot more

Paperblade - hurr durr

I believe my vote is still firmly parked on JB, who is on both IRC and Skype, claimed to be rereading the thread and is currently... offline? C'mon, dude, there's like 16 hours left in the phase. If you don't defend yourself and flip town I am NOT going to be happy.

[eclipse]

I can explain a bit about myself before diving into the rest of it (as there's still some time left in the day).

I am not pushing for Kevin to be lynched, per se. I am pushing for him to stop being proud of acting like scum, because it's fucking annoying.

[Paperblade]

Oh, yeah, I agree with that. That's why this is my last game here for an indefinite period of time.

[Prims]

Thanks for ignoring my post btw

I read it, but you didn't ask me any questions and there wasn't anything I felt the need to respond to.

As is, I can't think of much more to do aside from wait for a Naglfar/Tables post and ideally a roleclaim from JB. It would be rather irritating if the cycle ends with multiple players (again, Naglfar and Tables, and I guess we're not getting anything from Snike) not commited to any votes, because that would make it easy for scum to avoid future wagon analysis.

Also, the deadline passes while I'm asleep. I won't be around for it unless I set my alarm out of self-loathing or something, so I sure hope the posts I'm waiting for come soon.

[Strawman]

I can explain a bit about myself before diving into the rest of it (as there's still some time left in the day).

I am not pushing for Kevin to be lynched, per se. I am pushing for him to stop being proud of acting like scum, because it's fucking annoying.

Sure its a problem, but keeping your vote on him and only focusing on his earlier actions for the majority of your posts doesn't really seem like the best course of action. Its not the most beneficial course of action considering it hasn't been bringing out any new info or anything. Just keeping you and others bogged down about something that happened quite awhile ago and isn't as relevant now.

Also, I think I'll go ahead and ##Vote: JB now. I wanted to wait and see what he said after reading the thread but according to Paper he is offline so if I did that I might end up waiting forever :/

[Prims]

Aaaaand that's L-1.

JB should get in here and claim.

[Paperblade]

Remember that cycles won't end early for any reason

[Prims]

True, but being at L-1 late in the day is generally a good sign that it's time to claim, as far as I'm concerned.

[Prims]

(and I don't see why that wouldn't apply in a game with no hammers)

[Paperblade]

Oh, yeah. I thought you were mentioning it because you didn't want more votes. >_>

[Percivalé]

just making sure you read my post at least

I feel ashamed in a lot of ways

[Percivalé]

anyway I might also be sleeping when cycle ends

[Naglfar]

of all the ponies

why

and isn't scootaloo supposed to be chicken or something like that

she's a shitty rainbow dash and also a sheep

You know, scratch that. I'll leave this here for now: ##Vote: Tables

I just... can't shake that feeling off about you. Nnngh.

So now you get to vote without a reason? I don't know how I feel about that. But apparently your gut says I'm town despite your reads, which I guess gives me more faith in your hunches. Because, you know, I'm town.

9aglfar

what the fuck kind of twisted machine are you using that you would make a typo like that

Okay, so... JB. Honestly, it's probably just lack of experience, but I'm not getting much of a read on him, or anyone. I'm more concerned about Snike, who is claiming to be uninterested yet mysteriously doesn't ask for a sub, and his sole contribution was to... discourage lynching our primary suspects at the time? He then came back to say "ehhhh lynch jb whatever" before disappearing again.

##Vote: Snike

[eclipse]

Time to go over this page by page (with random interruptions). I'm on forum default. This is to organize my thoughts. I'm probably gonna miss some stuff, so if you wanna highlight important things I skipped over, PLEASE DO SO!

If I linked something, it means that I either can't paraphrase it well, or the original wording is really good.

Page 1: After the usual greetings and me not reading the rules (shaddap), Kevin immediately votes for Kay, to get her to talk. Prims mentions something about SMS being broken. Paperblade votes for Kevin without a reason. Tables has no clue what PoT is (pfft). Snike votes for Ether for reasons known only to him. We get a message from Paperblade regarding lynch ties and NL.

Page 2: Balcerzak immediately asks about the PM Kaoz posted (of Tezuka), and whether or not we think it's a real role. Prims votes for Kevin without a reason. Kevin retracts his vote for Kay and votes for Prims, for sheeping. Prims and Kevin get into an argument regarding sheeping. Kevin eventually asks a couple of questions, and calls out Ether. Paperblade facepalms in his own way. Prims gives short answers to Kevin's questions. Balcerzak writes a thesis on it, and votes for Ether. Tables demonstrates his answers to the questions by voting for Ether (who hasn't said anything), while stating that he doesn't think Prims is sheeping. Ether requests a sub. JB answers Bal's question about the Tezuka role, while stating that he thinks Kevin is overreacting, voting for the latter, and answering the sheep questions.

Page 3: Paperblade facepalms again. Bizz facepalms. Nags facepalms, agrees with Paper regarding Kevin's behavior, then votes for Kevin to make him dance. Bizz answers Kevin's questions regarding sheep. I come in, policy vote and unvote Snike, answer Bal's questions regarding the Tezuka role, then vote Kevin because I think he's a bloody hypocrite, while telling Bal to get himself in here. Prims expresses his worry about the Kevin bandwagon, and asks for more opinions from the "Ether for President" crowd, and Snike. BTW, you guys suck at reading rules. Uhhh. . .Paper unvotes Kevin, due to the bandwagon. Bizz expresses her dislike for Kevin, but doesn't vote, due to the vote pile on Kevin.

Page 4: Bal clarifies his thoughts on the Tezuka role, promises to pay more attention, unvotes Ether to "give his sub some breathing room", then votes Bizz because he doesn't trust her. Bizz gives a two-line defense along the lines of "I'm not mafia because I didn't pull mafia". Bal brings up the possibility of moles. Paper thinks it's possible the Tezuka role exists, and thinks there might be a godfather out there. Bizz hates moles. I point out the rules regarding phase ends. Prims doesn't like moles, either, and expresses his wish to hear more from lurkers. After a couple of random posts, Prims unvotes Kevin and votes for JB, and he explains it better than I can paraphrase it. JB clarifies his wording. Bizz doesn't go to bed, and says she can't see anything wrong with JB's post. Paperblade agrees with Bizz, then forgets the rules of hotlinking. Bizz changes her vote to Kay to pressure her to talk, while poking me (I'm ticklish. . .), then Tables and Snike. Bizz finds a previous post by Nags to be "interesting".

Page 5: I want Kevin to come back and explain himself. Bizz can explain this one in her own words. Twice. Nags can explain himself, too. Bizz said that she thought Nags was using meta to justify Kevin's actions and jumping on the train anyway. Kay comes in, answers Kevin's questions, seems to think Kevin being himself is useful ( ), and then doesn't really care if she's lynched. Bizz unvotes Kay (because of Prims thinking she voteparked? Uh, a little help here?) and because being quiet doesn't mean you should be lynched, and votes Snike next. Nags mentions he doesn't comment on his votes. Bizz states that it could mean that Nags gets a "free pass" to vote randomly as scum. Prims points out that Bizz is voting someone else for being quiet, and thinks that JB looks weirder than Nags. Dammit Bizz, why are you so hard to paraphrase? Nags unvotes, and links a post where Prims seems to be "grasping at straws". I tell Nags to defend his views, and not fold. Bizz thinks Kay did just that, so will note it down in a little black notebook. Prims tells us what his scum self would do, and offers to explain his thought process. I come in and say that I don't like Prims attempting to meta. Nags comments on his own indecisiveness and Bizz's superiority complex (?).

Page 6: Bizz gets a small bad vibe from Prims. Kay's response. Prims explains his "if I were scum" logic, in terms of Nags saying he was "grasping at straws", and points out Bizz's attacks at everyone except her vote target. I attempt to explain why I voted for Kevin (mostly meta), and note that there's plenty of time for me to change my vote, and tell Prims that I don't like "if I were scum" posts. I'm gonna mangle this one, so here. Nags asks Prims for an explanation regarding JB, and the possibility that the latter had poor wording. Bizz states that she kinda attacked Snike and Tables for not posting. ;/ I think it'll be faster to link what Prims says here than to try to paraphrase it properly. Bizz unvotes Snike and puts her vote back on her original suspicion of Kay. Paperblade's thoughts on Kevin and "if I were scum". Prims states that he's just working with what little he (and mostly everyone else) have. JB says that he didn't like Kevin blowing up like that.

Page 7: Prims asks why there would need to be a D1 NL. Paperblade votes for me due to me being too meta. I do more explaining, and accuse Kevin of having a life. I also point out that Pokemon TCG was OC, and. . .uh, go read it yourselves, you lazy bums. Paper refuses to talk about Sugar, because that mafia never existed (tee-hee~!) Paper and I get into a minor spat over whether I'm trying to smudge Kevin, before he points out that it's past our collective bedtimes. Dammit. Bal shows off hard rule formatting thinks that Nags looks worse, is attempting to be inflammatory, and is most unhappy with Kay's apathy, so he votes for her. He also likes Bizz's response to his pressure vote better, and doesn't mind "if I were scum" arguments. Tables thinks that Bal's posts regarding the Tezuka role, thinks he's painting non-tells into tells, and is generally misleading the town, so he votes for him. He also thinks that Kevin's probably town, and Bizz is possibly mafia (but has nothing more than gut to go on).

Page 8: Bal points out that he always discusses things like setup and roles early in the day, as it generates discussion (A/N: It's better than making yourself intentionally scummy), and that he lets it go after the first few pages. He also states that his scum-hunting is his weak point, Levity's post-jumping is more misleading, and that if people think he's attempting to go down the wrong discussion line, to say something. I don't think a vote pile's an indicator to whether someone's mafia or not, but that's because I suck at NOC. Prims gives a good explanation, read it, dammit. I collect all the Kevin votes, and note down whatever reason they gave. Prims says that he did give a reason somewhere in that argument (ugh), and that he's least happy with JB's reasoning. Read this yourself. Bizz thinks that Bal isn't scummy, but understand where Tables is coming from, isn't happy with Kay's apathy, doesn't believe in reading past games, and thinks that apathy can be a scumtell. I get pissy. Bizz says that her short posting is because she's saying whatever's on her mind, and that she doesn't like concentrating on anyone in particular early in D1, and that she still doesn't like Kay. Long response by Kevin, which is gonna be a pain to paraphrase. Snike unvotes, and thinks I'm trying to push a Kevin lynch. Paperblade and Snike admit to OC via telepathy. Strawman posts something of note, and votes for Tables due to his logic on his Bal vote. Tables thinks my reasoning's odd, then uses the exact same line of reasoning (past games) to try to pin Bal as scum, and that longer posts tend to sway opinion more? Prims doesn't like Snike's lack of posting, and wouldn't mind having Kay lynched, but would rather have JB lynched instead. Snike is busy not giving a fuck.

Page 9: Snike asks for a sub, and Kaoz somehow talks him out of it. He then says that he's not happy with the way Kevin's acting, and doesn't like the fact that I appear to be driving a lynch on him, but doesn't feel it's necessary to vote for me. Bal thinks that his way of "getting a handle on things" is "rubbing people the wrong way", and apologizes, (I'm skipping the CM4 part, sheesh), still thinks Nags was being inflammatory, and votes him. Kevin finally posts something not scummy. Tables is sad that he can't really pin Bal down, so unvotes him. I do my usual ranting, then address Paper, Bal, Bizz, and Kay specifically for various things (the most important being for Kay to talk, because it's nearly the weekend). JB votes for Kay in the hopes that she'll come out? Paper votes JB for bandwagoning. Kay goes a bit emo ;/ . Nags doesn't mind Bal's essays, but notes that he needs to keep an eye on him, because Bal's good at talking about everything except himself. He also doesn't like Snike's apathy, and says that he voted Kevin for pressure. Kay thinks my logic is weird, and votes for me. Kevin decides to be stupid with my opinion about his behavior. Tables facepalms at Strawman's vote, and says he'll look back into the Kay/Nags thing.

Page 10: Tables thinks Kay is a guy, then decides that Nags and I aren't suspicious, which leaves him with very little suspicions. JB says he's voting for Kay for the same reason that everyone else is. Bizz seems to be getting odd vibes from Tables, tries to cheer Kay up, unvotes her, and says she'll look at Nags. Bal writes a good motivational speech for Kay (thanks), apparently voted for Nags to see how he'd react to it, unvotes, and then tries explaining stuff to Strawman (my head hurts, sorry guys). Bizz continues the motivational speech, and is apparently wary of everyone, and notes Strawman for skimming, then votes Tables for "that feeling", and responds to my WTF regarding less votes. Ninja Kevin and Bizz stuff. Kevin makes some sort of suspicion list, with JB at the top, and votes him based on sheeping. Bizz asks for reasoning. Kevin's explanation.

Page 11: I scream at Kevin again, then post my half-coherent thoughts on half the players. Tables gets sick (get well soon!). Bizz is on phone, so please read the next five posts. Kevin still doesn't get why I'm screaming at him. Prims slept in, and isn't up to reading walls of text with nothing but unvotes in them, but is happy about the JB wagon. Bizz considers Prims less scummy, and seriously considers voting for JB. I'm not gonna do Prims justice if I try to paraphrase this. Strawman's explanation, and a scum list with reasons, I guess. Paperblade comments on JB's apparent sheeping. Kevin wants Paper's opinions.

Page 12: Bizz posts her own explanations on everything (it's long), unvotes Tables, then votes JB. Prims wants to hear more from Nags, Snike, Tables, and Bal. Snike thinks that JB should be lynched, and still is not giving much of a fuck. Bizz is confused by JB's posts. Bal has some RL stuff to do, votes JB for not posting much original content, and makes his own scum tier list. Bizz makes her own scum tier list with explanation. JB was apparently sleeping. Paper makes his own scum tier list. I explain myself again. Paper figures out what I mean. Prims doesn't like the fact that roughly a quarter of the mafia with no votes, and probably won't be here for phase end. Strawman tries to talk sense into me, and votes for JB. Prims thinks JB should claim.

Page 13: Nags points out that Levity's vote for Tables had no reason behind it, then votes for Snike due to apathy.

I need to reread this mess of a summary again, then decide my course of action.

[eclipse]

Here goes. I probably missed a bunch of stuff.

1. Snike - Start giving a shit. Seriously. You're ignoring, like, a huge chunk of the game, and it's not very considerate to Kaoz or the rest of the game. It also means you're not contributing, and that hurts the town.

2. JB - He's not doing much other than being an echo chamber, but given something that happened recently, I'm willing to cut him a teensy bit of slack. He still needs to post his own thoughts, and not the suspicion du jour.

3. Kevin - Acting scummy and saying it's your MO doesn't sit right with me. This is SF, and people tend to bus at the first possible opportunity, so I don't take the speed of the bandwagon as any indication that you're town. Mind you, if JB is lynched and flips scum, I'll still be suspicious of you.

4. Nags - Still not happy with his apparent folding, and the fact that we both seem suspicious of Snike (you were NOT here for the reason why I'm cutting JB slack).

5. Strawman - I don't have much of a read by him, but he really needs to post more.

6. Kay - I didn't like her getting down on herself, or thinking that intentionally scummy play is good (it's NOT).

7-9. Bizz, Tables, and Bal - All three of you are giving decent reasoning, but Bizz's post-jumping, and the meta by the other two seem a little meh to me.

10. Prims - I didn't much care for the "if I were mafia" bit, but it seems that's more of a personal thing. Has been explaining himself superbly.

11. Paperblade - Is par for the course, but I was hoping he would've gotten my point sooner.

12. Me - My role PM says I'm town, sheesh.

Since a certain someone isn't really caring. . .

##Unvote

##Vote: Snike

[Paperblade]

vote count

JB (6): Prims, Paper, Kevin, Bizz, Bal, StSS

Snike (2): Nags, clips

Kay (1): JB

JB you better start talking like now if you're town, 13 hours left.

[Naglfar]

4. Nags - Still not happy with his apparent folding, and the fact that we both seem suspicious of Snike (you were NOT here for the reason why I'm cutting JB slack).

I thought I mentioned that I stopped liking the Kevin wagon. That and it seems I was becoming a hot topic, which is pretty shitty for scumhunting, because I'm town. So I did what I could to diffuse the situation. I didn't fold, at least not in the strictest sense.

[Jaybee]

bloody fuck

after 3 3/4 hours

i'm done with rereading

and a 12 page summary of everything

and i'm really rusty hnngh

ANYWAY this is just a general thing on everyone, because I don't want my entire summary to go to waste, do I?

Balcerzak: He was talking about the sample role PM for a really fucking long time. This the only thing that I'm not comfortable with for him, because (to me, at least) it's obviously something to help the mafia. It almost certainly doesn't belong to anyone in this game, because then Kaoz would have instantly cleared them, etc. Aside from that, though, I have no idea about you, so yeah.

Eclipse: Mom's pulling a lot of shit onto Kevin, even though some of her examples don't even fit (Pulling games where he was town and noisy). In addition, most of her basis for voting him has been due to metagaming, which I tend to not like very much. I get the feeling she's appearing to try and help, coming up with a list of reasons as to why Kevin has been voted, a summary of everything, etc, which I can't tell as being scum trying to appear helpful, or just a helpful townie.

StSS: One of his reasons for thinking Kevin wasn't scummy was also meta ("He always acts like this!"), though his second point (rather, a point Prims made, but whatever) was that the bandwagon was really fast. He also defended the discussion of rules and everything, which is fine by me, given that 72 hours is a really long time for things to happen, and discussion about these rules and roles can clear things up for the town and stuff like that.

Kay: I didn't like her initial apathetic attitude, but it wasn't nice when it went down to her pretty much saying she was stupid and things like that. Aside from that, she hasn't really posted anything content related, aside from telling me to post moar.

Kevin: Like clipse, I don't like it when someone acts scummy and thinks it's fine. In your case, the reaction to the early votes was pretty bad, and when you outright say "oh it's fine that I'm acting scummy, because we have discussion!" it just sounds... wrong? You also got called out several times by Clipse/Paper for being a hypocrite (hding info, lynching for no reason), though admittedly I didn't play in any of those games so ;/. Even with the speed of the bandwagon, I still don't know.

Bizz: Bizz has been jumping all over the place, yet I kind of get a rather pro-town vibe for her. She has solid reasoning throughout (except for the Tables vote), even though she mostly is working off litte vibes she gets from others.

Naglfar: One thing was folding on your initial vote on Kevin when you got pressured for it. That didn't really look good, and I got the impression of you giving up in order to make yourself look a little better in the future. Of course, that backfired, but whatever.

Second thing was this.

Like I said, I don't commit as much as others and make choices a bit hastily that I later notice are dumb. See DT2. Yes, I realise I'm flopping around like an asshole and probably looking suspicious to a few people right now. Oh well

Bizz said it pretty well, you're trying to justify your extremely scummy actions, hoping you'll just get a free pass. Given your relative inexperience this could be clueless townie, but I still don't think it reflects rather well, and it's something to note down.

Paperblade: I can't find anything hinting you could be scum, and everything points to you being a townie.

Prims: You've been pushing this lynch on me really hard. Granted, I haven't done much to fight against that, but for the past 1 or 2 days (somewhere there) you've been saying stuff like "I'm happy JB has the most number of votes" and "JB is the most comfortable lynch". I don't like the 'If I were Mafia' defense very much either, and I didn't really pay that much attention to your usage of it, so yeah.

Snike: Your inactivity is worse than Psych's in my mafia.

Tables: Alright.

First things first, you consider talking about the rules scummy, even though you end up doing it on your own. You voted for Ether after Balcerzak did, and what was your reasoning? Inactivity.

Here's the thing: When you threw that vote on Ether, why him? Myself, Nags and Kay hadn't posted yet, and both Bizz and Eclipse had only made one post, which didn't have much to do with the game. I get the feeling you were trying to push a lynch on Ether, and who would want that?

Next, you went on to talk about the sample role PM, just like Bal. Why? Again, it's pretty obvious it's a sample, and not an existing role or anything. It just detracted from the main conversation, and it didn't even lead anyone anywhere aside from concluding that "Yes, it is a fake role! Haha!"

Another thing now - your vote for Balcerzak earlier, or rather, the reasoning for it.

Almost all of his posts on pages 1-2 were 'hey let's look at the rules and discuss possible roles/stuff' which is generally a great thing for scum to do, as it sets people talking about the wrong thing. Then that most recent post... he seems quite interested in painting non-tells as scumtells (e.g. apathy, mood of posts). In short, I feel he's actively trying to mislead the town, which I don't need to explain is pretty scummy.

Discussing the rules and roles is never a bad thing. It alerts the town to potential threats in the mafia, and also gives an insight into the relative strength of both town and mafia. I'll concede the part about the mood of posts and how it relates to a person being scum or not, but a player not caring about the game is a liability, and their mood in their posts can hint towards how willing they are to contribute, whether or not they can or want to contribute, and people not wanting to help is bad, isn't it?

Now I'll just C+P something from my summary for the next point.

-Talked about the wagon on Kevin again (103)

-Which is what Prims said

-Says Bizz has a scum vibe (104)

-Which is what Prims said

You then seemed pretty unsure of yourself when calling out Balcerzak again.

The ones I could find where you weren't, and the ones I did check otherwise, you didn't do this. Which is pretty strange if it's your 'standard operating procedure'. I mean, that in itself isn't suspicious, but just, uh, yeah.

You were quite sure when talking to him before, so why the hesitation now?

And THEN, your reasoning for unvoting him was pretty bad. In case you all don't remember...

You're still my main FoS, but, dammit Bal, stop arguing so well. Makes it so hard to get a read on you.

Even if he's hard to read and you suspect him, keep on trying to find stuff unless it's absolutely futile. You may not have thought he was very clear, but given how you suspected him before, you still would have suspicions you'd want to chase down, right?

And one more thing. I remember there was a smiley in here but I pasted it in Notepad, so whatever.

focus on the areas others are already looking at hey didn't I say something like that was a scumtell earlier?

You just admitted that your action of looking at what others thought was scummy, yes you went back and did that. Why would you do so?

And with that, ##Unvote Kay

##Vote: Tables

I don't like the way you've been acting all game, to put it really really simply.

[Jaybee]

WAIT SHIT WHY IS HALF OF THAT IN BOLD

FUCK

[Paperblade]

[12:25] <Paperblade> also can you c/d anything about that PM you posted

[12:25] <Kaoz> I will neither confirm nor deny any theories you may have about it

I'm like halfway through your post but