Anonymous Mafia - Game Over

[Aizen]

I disagree with suspicion against NE93. He's putting off town vibes, imo.

##Unvote

##Vote: VoltTackle

Don't want to add my vote to either of the current wagons so I'll do this instead. I don't really like your posts so far, although I don't really know how I can elaborate.

[Estelle]

don't really like this post by tails- anyone who makes an rvs vote against your biggest town read is scum? sounds like you're just going after someone who disagrees with you.

##vote tails1996

[Estelle]

Yeah I'm not actually that bullshit role. Good to see discussion came from it even if it was just a little bit.

Asparagus is town.

Sundown rolefishing...? Eh, I don't know if that counts. I'll ISO him. Sparrow and Keysmash too.

btw have you finished doing this?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Voting people who disagree with you does not imply anti-town. It implies ignorance.

Additionally, Yoshimi seems to be content to ignore people trying to get things down. My bingo card does not approve of such behavior.

[Aizen]

Do you mind explaining what you mean?

[Marisa Kirisame]

When people make lone votes and then do not support their case, it is the same as not voting at all but looks more useful. No one is going to follow up on that, as they feel the current wagons are better. Your target will be under no pressure, just as they were before. They, like my bingo card, will ignore you.

[Ochako Uraraka]

i'm intrigued how he's your biggest town read. did you mean just that single post, or...? anyway, i've been getting better feels from snike perseus, myself.

It's how he responded to your vote. Which you haven't moved.

don't really like this post by tails- anyone who makes an rvs vote against your biggest town read is scum? sounds like you're just going after someone who disagrees with you.

##vote tails1996

This from the same person that whined about RVS and spammed the first two pages. Your logic is terrible and that's with benefit of the doubt. Surely you can find other ways to make a mislynch stick than someone scumhunting in a way you didn't think of.

Voting people who disagree with you does not imply anti-town. It implies ignorance.

Additionally, Yoshimi seems to be content to ignore people trying to get things down. My bingo card does not approve of such behavior.

I am disappoint.

[Aizen]

When people make lone votes and then do not support their case, it is the same as not voting at all but looks more useful. No one is going to follow up on that, as they feel the current wagons are better. Your target will be under no pressure, just as they were before. They, like my bingo card, will ignore you.

I've actually never thought of that before and it's a very good point. I'll remember that for the future. However, I'm not unvoting.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I am by no means clear outside of my own mind. I can be voted without it having ill intent. To imply otherwise is to be ignorant.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Colin Mochrie is looking pretty good to me right now. As in town, not handsome. He is pretty handsome though.

This from the same person that whined about RVS and spammed the first two pages. Your logic is terrible and that's with benefit of the doubt. Surely you can find other ways to make a mislynch stick than someone scumhunting in a way you didn't think of.

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This is basically an OMGUS without the vote. "You're an idiot and mafia, how dare you vote me, inferior player!"

First sentence: Attempting to discredit the vote of a player because they didn't contribute solidly in the first two pages of Day 1, what the fuck

Second sentence: What part of his logic is terrible? "With benefit of the doubt"? What are you implying?

Third sentence: So you think he's mafia trying to mislynch you? Why not vote then? Was this entire post just shitty bravado?

That was a horrible reaction and your last two posts have more appeal to emotion than I'm confident is legal. Trafalgar is honestly not that bad but what the hell is this seriously.

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##Vote: tails1996

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

also, are you refusing to deny you were rolefishing?

No, I wasn't rolefishing. It was more like an inquiry as to whether NE# really had any reasons aside from random voting. For some reason, he decided to vote for me because of that, so I'm just going to assume that he doesn't want to answer that question.

Anyhow, from what I read, I actually agree with Sparrrow in that tails' vote on Trafalgar is pretty stupid. Not only is he voting for Trafalgar simply because he disagrees with Colin looking Townish, but the quote that tails provided as to why he finds Colin as Town came AFTER Trafalgar's vote. In other words, he finds Trafalgar scummy for voting for someone who ends up making a townish post IN THE FUTURE.

##Vote: tails1996

What the heck, man?

[All Might]

We seemed to have moved past RVS, so yay!

I'm not feeling the Sundown wagon; the rolefishing people are talking about looked like fairly standard reaction prod/attempt to get discussion going to me. However his poke at Colin about possible userclaim and his attitude towards the Miller Survivor jokeclaim seemed odd. But it's not enough for me to want him lynched at this point.

Tails' vote reasoning made little sense; you have a Town read on a player so people voting them are scum? Not really good logic. Also not sure what about the post of Colin's he quoted was supertown.

Right now I'm suspicious of Asparagus.

honestly i really dont like that sundown fishing. it really sets me off. like, ok, why does it matter to you if someone has info d1? you asked it in a really creeper way too, ugh.

but i wont vote. ill do a reread and see if i can catch anything else that hasnt had much attention paid to it

Jumped onto the Sundown wagon with weak echoing, but wouldn't put down a vote, later posts did not provide any better reasoning and he doesn't seem to have found anything new from his reread. Seems to be blending in.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Asparagus

And now I go run errands.

[Sham]

sorry got kinda distracted.

honestly i really dont like that sundown fishing. it really sets me off. like, ok, why does it matter to you if someone has info d1? you asked it in a really creeper way too, ugh.

but i wont vote. ill do a reread and see if i can catch anything else that hasnt had much attention paid to it

I actually thought it was an okay reaction to Trafalgar's vote, because no one would have any idea about how he'd have gotten whatever info. Then again, I've always been passive about things like that, so nvm.

This from the same person that whined about RVS and spammed the first two pages. Your logic is terrible and that's with benefit of the doubt. Surely you can find other ways to make a mislynch stick than someone scumhunting in a way you didn't think of.

I still don't understand the first part of this post which I deleted for some reason durr

Also, where the hell is this flaw in logic? Hell, you're the one throwing about the stupid logic, and you're the one throwing about the insults without really defending your actual point. That's MY job, dammit!

##Unvote

##Vote Tails

[Prims]

Woke up early for a deadline on another forum, so postin' votals:

tails1996 (4) - Sparrrow, Vanilla Diet Coke, Sundown, Eternlty

NE93B27J3U (3) - Asparagus, Daniel Craig, ILoveTangerine

Sundown (3) - Colin Mochrie, Perseus, NE93B27J3U

Asparagus (2) - Shotta, VoltTackle

Colin Mochrie (1) - Trafalgar

Trafalgar (1) - tails1996

VoltTackle (1) - Yoshimi

Not Voting - None!

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to hammer. You have 37 hours left in the day (countdown).

[Marisa Kirisame]

It is funny that three people jumped onto Tails.

##Unvote

##Vote Eternity

[Olivier]

No, I wasn't rolefishing. It was more like an inquiry as to whether NE# really had any reasons aside from random voting. For some reason, he decided to vote for me because of that, so I'm just going to assume that he doesn't want to answer that question.

Anyhow, from what I read, I actually agree with Sparrrow in that tails' vote on Trafalgar is pretty stupid. Not only is he voting for Trafalgar simply because he disagrees with Colin looking Townish, but the quote that tails provided as to why he finds Colin as Town came AFTER Trafalgar's vote. In other words, he finds Trafalgar scummy for voting for someone who ends up making a townish post IN THE FUTURE.

##Vote: tails1996

What the heck, man?

1.To inquire about the reasoning behind the very first post, let alone vote of the game is to role fish, seeing as there is literally nothing to go on in that point of time, unless you have a role. It's no wonder why Numbers immediately changed votes and neglected to answer you.

2. Why did you deflect the question the first time, then?

See, I think you're playing smoke and mirrors, especially now that you're piggybacking onto a bandwagon that draws the attention away from yourself, based on intentionally misrepresenting a random vote FMPOV due to the flimsy reasoning (Traf voted for Colin).

Aside: The insult flinging by Tails was poor word-choice, but the fact is, Sparrow voted Tails based on the assumption that the Traf vote was mainly because they voted Herr Mochrie. I think the case is more like what VDC pointed out earlier in that Traf hasn't said anything solid other than an abyssmal guess and a town read on yours truly, and the vote by Tails was intended to pressure Traf into saying more, with the Mochrie RV as an excuse-reason. Now that hasn't worked very well, and the logic and word choice behind it isn't spectacular, but declaring it as 'stupid' and trying to hang the user by it is an example of poor judgement/interpretation. Oh, and ATE by at least 2/4 of the wagoneers. So, in short, I can see where Tails was coming from with the Sparrow backlash.

As for Numbers and CM, I agree with Mochrie on Numbers in that Numbers appears townie to me. This is probably because Numbers reminds me of a playstyle I have an amount of meta on. As for Mochrie, well aside from his bingo card which is obvscum, I think his posts make sense, which is a towntell in my eyes.

Anyways, I'm staying on Sundown for reasons I posted above.

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[C. C.]

It's how he responded to your vote. Which you haven't moved.

i hadn't moved my vote because at that point there was still little discussion generated from it. colin had barely replied to my vote, in fact spending more time ignoring it and instead addressing sundown. i suppose that can be taken as a response in its own way. further, i wouldn't be surprised if half the game hadn't seen the vote or response yet either by the time i turned in to sleep. there was still potential for discussion. at the very least, my motives have been questioned by this, allowing for elaboration and discussion, and that can't be but a good thing for us as a whole, even if i didn't get particularly much out of it myself.

that said, there's been quite a bit of development on other fronts since then, and no movement on this one, so it definitely is time for a change. be back shortly after some rereading.

[C. C.]

if I got this right,according to you, this guy smells town cause this guy placed a vote on you?

sounds like you are trying to get on this Asparagus's good side

let me start by saying that i disagree with this post by ilovetangerine. it seems like a stretch and poorly thought out. however, it bore fruit, as it prompted asparagus comes back and weigh in on the situation. (that said i would much preferred had numbers been the one to show up)

also i figured maybe he was reaction testing and my vote on him looked good to him or something. like i passed the test. i dunno.

this rubs me the wrong way, as numbers is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, and it is counterproductive to provide excuses for other players' suspicious behaviour, as it can sometimes allow scum a free pass by providing explanations they may not have thought of. furthermore, reaction testing? that would usually have been applied to a case where numbers had voted for asparagus i would have thought. otherwise what exactly is being tested, who can vote numbers the quickest for a seeming flip-flop?

related, i find asparagus's reads of the sundown situation interesting. specifically what seems to be a sudden reversal in intensity

honestly i really dont like that sundown fishing. it really sets me off. like, ok, why does it matter to you if someone has info d1? you asked it in a really creeper way too, ugh.

but i wont vote. ill do a reread and see if i can catch anything else that hasnt had much attention paid to it

the sundown rolefishing i guess wasnt so bad in itself--it was just the way it was executed. its like he is so CONFIDENT that no one should have information d1 when its entirely possible; we dont know the setup and no one has claimed roles. ill admit that seriously claiming to have information this early is kind of silly though, because if you die and said nothing about it, the town loses potentislly valuable info.

i do get that they're not fully incompatible statements, but combined with the fact that his vote is still on numbers despite the fact that his words are coming down on the other side of the split really rubs me the wrong way. actually, the whole three-body system here feels bad.

##Unvote

##Vote: Asparagus

[Refakitty³]

i seriously think numbers was doing that, though.

a wagon on me is useless, sorry. i'm not going to claim today.

i'm not voting for sundown because i just don't think he's been acting bad enough to vote him, at least looking at his other stuff. also in the middle of my reread i fell asleep lol

i shouldnt play mafia at 5am anyway

[Refakitty³]

furthermore, reaction testing? that would usually have been applied to a case where numbers had voted for asparagus i would have thought. otherwise what exactly is being tested, who can vote numbers the quickest for a seeming flip-flop?

i dont know what numbers was testing, he would have to explain that himself.

i do get that they're not fully incompatible statements, but combined with the fact that his vote is still on numbers despite the fact that his words are coming down on the other side of the split really rubs me the wrong way. actually, the whole three-body system here feels bad.

ok.

i admit how that might look really weird, but lets just say that in the middle of my reread i discovered that the sundown wagon was bigger than i thought and it bothered me. yeah, he made a mistake and he was fishing hardcore (in a poorly-executed manner) but i think maybe there was a little bit of an overreaction to it.

give me a bit

[Refakitty³]

the competing tails-sundown wagons are interesting.

perseus's responses to sundown and his opinion on the two wagons is something that we seriously need to look at when we get a flip. i actually kind of think we have mafia-town wagons here, and tails provides more flimsier responses than sundown does, but then perseus comes out and suggests that sundown is just glad to have a counterwagon to protect his ass.

##Unvote

let me see

[Refakitty³]

oh yeah, by the way, trafalgar.

some of your earlier posts havent sit very well with me, either. there were a few pages of legit discussion already and you were one of the people still in rvs mode, which really set me off when i was trying to get reads. i really hope youre not trying to redeem yourself in like the easiest way possible because its going to backfire on you; you ignored the competing wagons completely and smelled the chance to get one on me. that makes me uncomfortable.

trafs, what is your opinion on the counterwagons?

also, tails was also one of the ones that considered someone voting for him to be his biggest town read. i dont know if it was a joke or not, but is this like a weird new trend or something?

[Refakitty³]

on second thought, reading through page 6 again

both wagons kinda moved too fast. sundown had 5 votes on him in like a page or two and tails got a load of votes for him mostly based on one post.

hmmm.

also, colin LOOKS like he's been helpful, but most of the posts i have seen from him have actually had little to do with the actual game. and when he voted eternity, he had one sentence to back it up.

ughhh.

[Refakitty³]

Don't want to add my vote to either of the current wagons so I'll do this instead. I don't really like your posts so far, although I don't really know how I can elaborate.

why?

##Vote: Yoshimi

this kind of thing really puts me off sometimes. whats wrong with the current wagons? what specifically do you not like about them? did you just jump for someone else hoping it would take heat off of the other players? are you just attempting to look helpful here without actually contributing to the main objects of discussion today?

ha.

[Refakitty³]

anyway, im going to iso colin later to further study that. i think people are giving him more townie cred than he deserves just because he said a couple of clever things.

i have to leave now but ill be back.