Chiki Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) This is a kind of tier list that absolutely anyone can participate in. Everyone cares about which units are durable and which units can kill a lot of enemies. Criteria: Combat potential: being able to kill as many units as possible is good. Durability: being able to take as many hits as possible is good. Units like Olivia can increase combat potential by letting other units kill enemies, so they aren't useless. Healers add to durability. Availability is very important. Being durable and strong over many chapters is good. This tier list is based on HM. I'm not sure what to do about this tier list, since it's so new, so this is a very preliminary tier list filled with mistakes: God Tier Female Avatar Male Avatar Top Tier Miriel Tharja Henry High Tier Nowi Frederick Sumia Cordelia Chrom Sully Stahl Panne Tiki Anna Mid Tier Cherche Libra Lon'qu Donnel Olivia Kellam Gregor Vaike Low Tier Say'ri Ricken Lissa Maribelle Gaius Basilio Flavia Bottom Tier Virion Edited September 14, 2013 by Celes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I guess Tharja is up there because Nosferatanking, right? It makes sense I suppose. Chrom is probably pretty high. Decent defences, good availability. Dual Strike+ is very good for killing stuff, and he also has DG+ lategame as well giving a partner significant durability. Swordlocked until promotion/SSing is an issue though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Frederick for God Tier simply because of his utility I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 All Nosferatankers are going to be very high. It's a pretty invincible strategy once you get it going. Though Henry has low availability so I'm not sure where he's gonna go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Henry speed is also a problem. Being able to recover some hp with nosferatu is worthless when he's being doubled anyway. I think sully and maybe stahl should also be on the top tier. Their avaliability is great and their high Str/def/spd make them able to kill almost every thing, while also taking many hits. Edited September 13, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaprong Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Miriel A Tier since she can kill easily in the first chapters also route to dark mage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 I can see Miriel being top tier. Maybe even above Tharja? Depends on averages. Not so sure about Sully and Stahl, but I can see them in high tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Not to be that guy, but Sumia for top tier above Tharja. She can burst through enemy lines after just a few chapters of doing whatever with -any- defensive supports, and with Galeforce, provides amazing hit and run tactics. Plus, she can fly stronger units into the Frey of battle and just switch, giving high speed pairUp bonuses. Great at accessing sparkly squares for niche items that can make the game easier. Once promoted and with a B-Higher support unit? Dodges everything forever and wrecks EP by doubling everything with inexpensive forging (and if with Chrom, high-as-heck DualAttack chances post Gangrel) She just makes it that much easier to add freedom to your play style. Cordelia should be in between, due to still coming early, but not as early, and because Dark Mage line is neigh invulnerable. Are we considering Anna-shops? renown? Sparkly square treasure? Actually if this is a nos/tanking tier list, Cordelia immediately under Tharja, Sumia just under Cordelia. Edited September 13, 2013 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Sumia shouldn't be top tier simply because she needs training and isn't a Nosferatanker, who are basically invincible. Sumia is not invincible. Far from it. But maybe Sumia could be bottom of top tier thanks to Galeforce. But she'd only get Galeforce endgame anyway. I'll get to the rest of your post soon but I'm on my phone now. Miriel above Tharja because she has availability over her (more combat potential, even if it's chip damage it's better than nothing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Frederick for God Tier simply because of his utility I guess This. Frederick is very durable against just about anything, and if you give him Limit Breaker and Res +10, he can take a couple hits from magic as well. Frederick is strong as hell. He can OHKO a lot of shit when trained up, so his lowish speed doesn't matter much either. If his strength stat is done right, he can be the strongest unit in the army, probably. His strength cap is 50. Add Limit Breaker for 60. Add a pair up with someone that has a lot of strength, like a strength-asset Avatar. My Avatar gives him 7 strength, so that's 67. Add Defender and that boosts it to nearly 70. And I haven't even gotten to items like the Naga's Tear yet. He can basically become Steroiderick. lol Frederick comes in at the prologue. His availability is as good as Chrom's if you don't count the premonition. Frederick can use the whole weapon triangle as a Great Knight, so he can get an advantage over anyone basically. Frederick can get other good skills like Luna, Dual Guard+, and Defender (I'm so tempted to give him this, but I'd have to slowly level him another ten levels...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) In what casual environment is Sumia getting Galeforce by Endgame? This isn't LTC remember? We're likely killing every enemy on the map because that's what newer players do *oops I hit post by accident* So they have higher level counts earlier in the game. Edited September 13, 2013 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Even if we're killing every enemy on the map I don't see why we should give Sumia a lot of favoritism. That's a point against her since her combat potential is lower than the Nosferatankers and she isn't invincible like they are. Needing babying while sacrificing combat potential and durability is not good. Miriel's case is different. She needs babying but she only needs to get to level 10. She can kill things from range without sacrificing durability. Also Frederick has nothing on the Nosferatankers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Frederick might be on the top tier for the same reason that Marcus is on FE6's or jagen is on FE11's (I'm not sure about that one), because he helps a lot in the beginning of the game. He becomes pretty bad after some time, though, and his contributions aren't even that good compared to Marcus, since awakening's hard mode isn't that hard to begin with. I think he should be on high tier, but I wouldn't be bothered if he was on the top tier either. But Henry on top tier I don't agree. Yes, nosferatank is great and breaks the game, but his bases are simply terrible, he's takes some time to not be doubled AND his growths are not that good. I think he should be at high tier. He's without a doubt the worst nosferatank, unless you decide to count cordelia as a nosferatank as well. Edited September 13, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Henry would probably by the lowest of the Nosferatankers because of his speed, although they are tonics/speedwings/pair-up/etc. I can't honestly give a vote for Tharja's position because I have literally never had a good Tharja. Ever. But I CAN speak for Miriel and Henry. I'd say he's about middle of the High Tier, honestly, while Miriel is definitely top of the high tier because her magic's amazing. Edited September 13, 2013 by Vashiane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Sumia PairUp on Henry makes him easily more durable simply by the ridiculous speed she'd pass him. Casual Nosferatu Users Tier List: Fem!Avatar Male!Avatar Miriel Tharja Morgan!Non-Slow Melee Parent Cordelia Laurent!Magic Parent Noire!Magic Parent Henry Severa!Magic Parent /thread Edited September 13, 2013 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Stahl, Sully, Panne, Frederick, Sumia, and Cordelia should all be in high tier, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Sumia PairUp on Henry makes him easily more durable simply by the ridiculous speed she'd pass him. Casual Nosferatu Users Tier List: Fem!Avatar Male!Avatar Miriel Tharja Cordelia Henry /thread Yup, that's about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 *Edit to my above post, I added basic kids to my nos list* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 *Edit to my above post, I added basic kids to my nos list* Even more about right. [/nods] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) I guess Brady/Owain would fit in there somewhere too, but pretty low because Maribelle/Lissa+Male Avatar will likely pass pretty cruddy defensive bases to them. They'd be pretty good otherwise. Plus, getting to them, sheesh. All Other child-producing Units that marry Avatar (except maaaaaybe Lucina) are gonna be pretty low on a Nos-tier. Nah would be higher up, maybe above Lucina, with good reason (Manakete growths in general plus avatar growths would create a defensive, average speed/mag Nah). Debate luci/nah for me, I'm sure their placement is questionable but close Casual Avatar!Married Nosterfatu Tanking Tier list featuring kids: -God Morgan (God incarnate) -High Laurent (Overall Solid) Owain (Good Speed/Mag) Brady (Meh Def/Speed but good Mag/Luk/Skill) Noire (late recruitment due to chapter difficulty) -Mid Lucina (availability lead and speed) Nah (Manakete growths) Cynthia (speed and decent Mag) Severa (speed and decent Mag) -Low Gerome (Access to Tomefaire which is neat, and pretty defensive) Inigo (Merc skills I guess, and good speed) Kjelle (Lolk) Edited September 13, 2013 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Frederick's selling point is his Pair Up bonus for early game Most, if not all unit when paired with Fred become ridiculously tanky unless its someone like Miriel or Ricken Heck, if you want to use training arguments, then Miriel has no business in Top Tier because she is one of the harder to train unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Base Miriel + Fred/Kellam PairUp + Def Tonic = Not such a weak Miriel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Base Miriel + Fred/Kellam PairUp + Def Tonic = Not such a weak Miriel [/nods] I can attest to this, considering my main Miriel pairing is Kellam/Miriel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 How will we handle the breeding? I know it has some effect on the child, but should Lucina (Avatar) be ranked differently than Lucina (Sumia) on the list? Or would it be all one generalized Lucina? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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