Persona 3 Mafia - Game Cancelled - Mass Destronktion

[Terrador]

I mainly researched the roles and what they could do before this game. Will probably look at more conditions and abbreviations.

Still uhh now that you have basically admitted that you are a vigilante can you please clarify if you killed FFM terrador?

I did not kill FFM, no. That was somebody else's doing, and I imagine that the daytime vigilante had but a single bullet.

Ok Terrador, so you're a townie Vig then?

A Night Vig? Any use limits?

I'm asking because we also apparently had a dayvig (Whoever killed FFM yesterday), and a Vig that can shoot in day AND night feels kinda OP to me, as does having two vigs on the town side.

(That said, the maf got TWO kills of their own as well last night, and that's after we bagged the sniper to boot, so...)

Townie, yes. As for the limits, I can shoot on odd nights, giving me kills on Night 1, 3, 5, and (if the game lasts that long) 7.

[Wen Yang]

I don't know though, if the dayvig had but one shot, I doubt they'd shoot someone THAT early in the game.

So, Shinori is your main scumread atm then Terrador?

[Terrador]

I don't know though, if the dayvig had but one shot, I doubt they'd shoot someone THAT early in the game.

So, Shinori is your main scumread atm then Terrador?

...actually, no. There are a lot of extenuating factors about him. He just stood out the most before I gave my best two picks a detailed look. I've yet to do another round of ISOs, but I'm fairly certain that once the game cools down enough for me to have the time (read: later tonight), he won't be on top.

[Shinori]

I NEVER HESITATED TO ACCEPT REFA AS SCUM I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT SHIT.

I MENTIONED THE SCUM SLIP CAUSE SOMEONE ELSE SEEMED ON THE FENCE(Junko I believe) AND I WAS TELLING HIM EVEN MORE REASON AS TO WHY REFA WAS SCUM.

And you aren't lynching me. So terrador is a vig, I'm assuming you didn't take the FFM kill during Day 1?

Also Green poet: How can you confirm that he tracked Terrador? I mean I can guess but I'm curious.

[Junk]

Bluedoom your thoughts?

Town(probably)

GP(The dog thing)

Terrador

Kopflajer

[Terrador]

I NEVER HESITATED TO ACCEPT REFA AS SCUM I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT SHIT.

I MENTIONED THE SCUM SLIP CAUSE SOMEONE ELSE SEEMED ON THE FENCE(Junko I believe) AND I WAS TELLING HIM EVEN MORE REASON AS TO WHY REFA WAS SCUM.

And you aren't lynching me. So terrador is a vig, I'm assuming you didn't take the FFM kill during Day 1?

Also Green poet: How can you confirm that he tracked Terrador? I mean I can guess but I'm curious.

You made a huge wall putting Refa as only "slightly scum" long after SB outed Refa as mafia, which it was obvious you saw.

This aggression, still really worrying, even if you aren't my Numero Uno scumread.

No, I didn't kill FFM. That wasn't my bag, and I hadn't even realized Day 1 had started at that point. Assuming (BIG assumption here, but what the hell) that the slot that killed him was a one-shot town vigilante, I'd guess that Junko shot him--Junko was suspicious, is new enough to jump the gun like that, and was around for awhile before Polydeuces posted.

And the proof is in the pudding for the last bit. I copped to it, and if I hadn't at very least targeted Euklyd, I'd be rolling up a wagon on Wen right now for lying and trying to get me bagged.

So... yup. Nothing in this post is good. Still haven't gotten around to ISOs, but this was just too riddled with complete crap to not counter first.

[Green Poet]

I NEVER HESITATED TO ACCEPT REFA AS SCUM I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT SHIT.

I MENTIONED THE SCUM SLIP CAUSE SOMEONE ELSE SEEMED ON THE FENCE(Junko I believe) AND I WAS TELLING HIM EVEN MORE REASON AS TO WHY REFA WAS SCUM.

Wait, who's saying you thought Refa wasn't scum?

And Refa was pretty much sunk by the time he started making slips. Not saying that's indicative of you bussing (dropping purposeful slips honestly doesn't feel consistent with Refa's policy towards exercising WIFOM), but basically your suspicion of Refa doesn't clear you as town.

Also Green poet: How can you confirm that he tracked Terrador? I mean I can guess but I'm curious.

I'm merely lending credence to Wen's night action. Claiming my particular role might satiate your curiosity, but isn't going to help town :/

[Green Poet]

Assuming (BIG assumption here, but what the hell) that the slot that killed him was a one-shot town vigilante, I'd guess that Junko shot him--Junko was suspicious, is new enough to jump the gun like that, and was around for awhile before Polydeuces posted.

I highly doubt Junko would think to feign ignorance of how night actions worked if he was a dayvig, though.

Also, dayvig speculation should stop now. Publicly deducing who it is will only hurt us, and it was clear from FFM's kill that they know what they're doing.

[Wen Yang]

I agree with GP. Publicly deducing who the Dayvig is only helps the mafia.

Likewise, Dayvig should NOT claim unless they're in danger of being lynched.

[Shinori]

You made a huge wall putting Refa as only "slightly scum" long after SB outed Refa as mafia, which it was obvious you saw.

This aggression, still really worrying, even if you aren't my Numero Uno scumread.

No, I didn't kill FFM. That wasn't my bag, and I hadn't even realized Day 1 had started at that point. Assuming (BIG assumption here, but what the hell) that the slot that killed him was a one-shot town vigilante, I'd guess that Junko shot him--Junko was suspicious, is new enough to jump the gun like that, and was around for awhile before Polydeuces posted.

And the proof is in the pudding for the last bit. I copped to it, and if I hadn't at very least targeted Euklyd, I'd be rolling up a wagon on Wen right now for lying and trying to get me bagged.

So... yup. Nothing in this post is good. Still haven't gotten around to ISOs, but this was just too riddled with complete crap to not counter first.

1: The wall was pretty much just an iso of Kopf. 2: I DID NOT READ HIS POST AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE I SKIMMED OVER THE MAJORITY OF SHIT THAT HAPPENED IN THIS GAME. Thus why I had to reread Kopf's entire iso and why I posted so much other stuff in that wall. 3:HOW IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH DOES THAT THIRD LINK AT ALL SAY I READ SB'S POST? That post was a direct response to post #356: A question that GP had asked me that I had never responded to.

So I've ripped apart your entire argument against me.

Got anything else that might make ANY sense?

[MRDRHAWK]

Poly, check your PM.

I saw. I'm late responding because wrasslin'.

As a note: If you have a QT, you can put shit from it in here all you like. Just can't link it.

[Terrador]

1: The wall was pretty much just an iso of Kopf. 2: I DID NOT READ HIS POST AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE I SKIMMED OVER THE MAJORITY OF SHIT THAT HAPPENED IN THIS GAME. Thus why I had to reread Kopf's entire iso and why I posted so much other stuff in that wall. 3:HOW IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH DOES THAT THIRD LINK AT ALL SAY I READ SB'S POST? That post was a direct response to post #356: A question that GP had asked me that I had never responded to.

So I've ripped apart your entire argument against me.

Got anything else that might make ANY sense?

You're still being super-aggressive, which is the lion's share of why I find you scummy right now.

You posted after Refa posted, and talked about his alignment, and made no mention of the SB case on him. I find it... rather difficult to believe that you failed to notice the second-most-notable event in the game to date, even on the most paltry of skims.

[Green Poet]

Terrador, what's your current lynch priority? Is Shinori near its front?

[Shinori]

You obviously have never seen me play a mafia game ever Terrador. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH ME.

Ask just about anyone in this game. I skim a fair amount and miss a lot of shit.

I mean to be specific. I hadn't noticed or read SB's claim until I posted my Kopf wall. WHICH IS WHY THE POST FOLLOWING MY KOPF WALL STATED REFA BEING SCUM AND HOW I POINTED OUT THAT I WAS RIGHT ABOUT HIM BEING SCUM.

[Terrador]

Terrador, what's your current lynch priority? Is Shinori near its front?

...honestly, after this repeated wall of all-caps and aggression, I'm going to have to put him at the front. Shinori reads scum to me, but has some tangible evidence to suggest he's town; Sky_Paladin is the other way around, and Junko leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Shinori > Sky_Paladin > Junko, though it's a pretty close-run thing.

You obviously have never seen me play a mafia game ever Terrador. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH ME.

Ask just about anyone in this game. I skim a fair amount and miss a lot of shit.

I mean to be specific. I hadn't noticed or read SB's claim until I posted my Kopf wall. WHICH IS WHY THE POST FOLLOWING MY KOPF WALL STATED REFA BEING SCUM AND HOW I POINTED OUT THAT I WAS RIGHT ABOUT HIM BEING SCUM.

I'm not liable to remember every player in a game I played... God, what was it, this summer? I couldn't even name my entire scum team. scorri was on it, but I honestly couldn't tell you who else was.

I did see the post after that. I just came to the conclusion that you were a bit slow to take SB serving Refa up on a silver platter at face value, given the huge delay between your apparent sight of the post and your confirmation of belief in scum!Refa.

However, your attitude seriously doesn't seem town to me. It's super-aggressive, and I'd like a decent reason why.

##Vote: Shinori.

[Green Poet]

However, your attitude seriously doesn't seem town to me. It's super-aggressive, and I'd like a decent reason why.

Seconded.

I've played two games with Shinori, one where he was the doc and the other where we were scumbuddies, and he does consistently skim and lurk regardless of alignment. But his aggression (if you call it that? meh) and use of caps is new to me. I've never seen him use emotion appeals, at least.

[Shinori]

So town aren't supposed to be aggressive? That seems like poor though process.

I guess town are supposed to lay down and let the scum shoot them to death?

You're vote is still 100% worthless where it's at right now because I'm not getting lynched. Do something different please.

I'll drop down a vote in a bit.

[Shinori]

And by a bit, I mean sometime between tonight and tomorrow right after I wake up. After I do some rereading.

[Terrador]

Seconded.

I've played two games with Shinori, one where he was the doc and the other where we were scumbuddies, and he does consistently skim and lurk regardless of alignment. But his aggression (if you call it that? meh) and use of caps is new to me. I've never seen him use emotion appeals, at least.

So town aren't supposed to be aggressive? That seems like poor though process.

I guess town are supposed to lay down and let the scum shoot them to death?

You're vote is still 100% worthless where it's at right now because I'm not getting lynched. Do something different please.

I'll drop down a vote in a bit.

These posts seem like nothing more than an attempt to browbeat people into not suspecting you, long before there's any reason to panic. Why would you ever resort to this as town? It's standard scum policy to introduce poor logic into town talks whenever they can get away with it, and this looks like it follows a very similar mold.

[Shinori]

It's also something I've been known to do as town in the past before. Hurr durr self-meta is bad. But I feel like I should tell you that. Same thing with the emotional game play as well as the caps: I used to do it a lot way back when I put more effort into the games but then I began to censor myself so I wouldn't be as....explosive.

Fuck that. Also I stated that because multiple people were saying I was scummy cause I wasn't posting much and other stuff and what not and I didn't really want to waste time having to argue against cases that were just based on me being inactive cause there is literally nothing to argue against and it gives me no drive TO argue the case.

So let me get this straight at the moment though. Your top scum reads are:

Me - For being aggressive and playing with emotions and what not. And the fact that I'm blatantly pointing out that I won't get lynched is bad in your eyes.

Sky - The person who tunneled a claimed third party for 90% of the day phase. for "Being the other way around" so I guess basically slightly the opposite of me in some sort of regard. Which is REALLY curious since that would kind of put me and sky at two separate ends of the spectrum in some sort of regard.

And Junko - A very noob player. who "Leaves a bad taste in the mouth"

You seem to like to try to attempt to push people who you think are easy targets to push. And honestly your reasons for them being scum are ALL reaaaaallly bad.

[Green Poet]

Requesting votals.

If the influencer hasn't acted yet, it should be:

Junko Enoshima (1) - kirsche

Shinori (1) - Terrador

Voteless - everyone else

[MRDRHAWK]

Votals 2-1: wow much vote very lynch such hammer wow

Junko Enoshima (1) - Kirsche

Shinori (1) - Terrador

Voteless Weebs - Everyone Else

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer and 4 to deadline lynch. Phase ends at 3:30 MST on April 9th.

Edit: im gay (fixed an error in votals)

Edited April 7, 2014 by Polydeuces

[Terrador]

It's also something I've been known to do as town in the past before. Hurr durr self-meta is bad. But I feel like I should tell you that. Same thing with the emotional game play as well as the caps: I used to do it a lot way back when I put more effort into the games but then I began to censor myself so I wouldn't be as....explosive.

Fuck that. Also I stated that because multiple people were saying I was scummy cause I wasn't posting much and other stuff and what not and I didn't really want to waste time having to argue against cases that were just based on me being inactive cause there is literally nothing to argue against and it gives me no drive TO argue the case.

So let me get this straight at the moment though. Your top scum reads are:

Me - For being aggressive and playing with emotions and what not. And the fact that I'm blatantly pointing out that I won't get lynched is bad in your eyes.

Sky - The person who tunneled a claimed third party for 90% of the day phase. for "Being the other way around" so I guess basically slightly the opposite of me in some sort of regard. Which is REALLY curious since that would kind of put me and sky at two separate ends of the spectrum in some sort of regard.

And Junko - A very noob player. who "Leaves a bad taste in the mouth"

You seem to like to try to attempt to push people who you think are easy targets to push. And honestly your reasons for them being scum are ALL reaaaaallly bad.

I'll take the bit about it being "just something you do" into consideration once someone else comes forward and confirms that. Even so, being so damn aggressive does not fit the townie molds I've ever seen.

As for Sky: you have opposite reasons for appearing scummy. Sky made some plays that look suspicious early on, and his activity makes him a potential candidate for the votal influencer. On the other hand, associative reads and a smattering of more tangible evidence suggest that you're town, but in absence of that, I would peg you as absolute scum in a heartbeat. That doesn't mean you're at either end of a continuum, by any means; it simply means there's different evidence bases.

And finally, for Junko: Just because Junko appears new doesn't mean that the absolute wall of misplays and incessant questions about game mechanics should be overlooked. The questions about obvious mechanics, ones that should be patently clear to someone who has done at least SOME mafia research.

None of these reads are set in stone, though. I was not pushing these cases remotely hard, besides trying to probe you for information with a pressure vote. It was a lynch priority list, in case you hadn't noticed.

Finally, this last line:

You seem to like to try to attempt to push people who you think are easy targets to push. And honestly your reasons for them being scum are ALL reaaaaallly bad.

This is coming off of one post. One. I'm calling this for what it is: a retaliatory attack. Your case on me is primarily based not on substance, but on the fact that I've been suspecting you. Frankly, I don't think that's a scummy (or even necessarily bad) play, but that doesn't mean I'm going to accept baseless pressure.

[Junk]

Ehh maybe the wiki I looked at wasn't too informative. And I did not know all these abbreviations either.

[Bluedoom]

Tracker!Wen is most likely to be town simply because I don't think Poly is the type to put in a Mafia Tracker in the setup. That and the outing of his result looks townie to me.

GP is probably Follower or Watcher or a JoaT with one of these as a one shot. Still doesn't say ANYTHING about her alignment though.

I don't really trust Terrador's claim, still. Alternate night vig along with a dayvig just seems TOO MUCH TOWN FAVOURED and its more likely that he's mafia with a special kind of kill that can only be performed on alternate nights. This still doesn't explain who killed the other two though, but at this point we don't really know what's causing THREE KILLS per night phase.

I'll add some more to this case though. Considering you had a scumread on Sky and Junko, and that you thought Sky flipping mafia would clear Junko, WHY DIDN'T YOU VIG SKY? You could've potentially had someone who would be clear in your eyes. Instead you go after Euklyd because of Refa associative tells? Things like Euklyd jokingly calling Refa his scumbuddy are literal jokes, most of that was done in RVS and then that small joke when he figured out Refa was scum. He didn't do that all game in almost every post of his. You also haven't talked about Junko/Sky this phase either, suddenly Shinori's a better lynch even though Sky did some pretty bad stuff D1 AND could potentially clear someone in your eyes?

##Vote: Terrador

He's capable of posting huge walls and being more active as scum, if anyone bothers to look into his ISO in Drafters mafia they'd figure that out. The cases on Shinori and Junko remind me of his play against town me as scum in Drafters mafia, but I haven't played with him in a game since then, so I dunno if this is just his posting style.

I realize that your "X implies Y but Y doesn't necessarily imply X" is true, so now I've only got gut to go on, and I knew I was jumping the gun and PROBABLY if I hadn't said that early in D1 you probably would've done what I suspected. Oh well, I can't argue about it now, can I?

I usually don't go gung-ho with my scumreads this early into the game(I almost always end up getting it right/more confident when we are close to MYLO) but I feel eerily confident about this.