Bluedoom Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Shit I should've put that case in a spoiler. Oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 In other news, my action went through last night, but didn't do what I expected it to do. I suspect priority issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Also, did kirsche do anything? There are too many pages to read but I don't remember anything from the kirsche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 All said and done, Euklyd seems like the most clutch kill; difficult to define as scum, but stands out above almost everyone else. If he isn't, my other candidates have TONS of town support for lynch anyhow. What did the bolded parts mean by the way? Also I know this was brought up before but damn, why did you seem so prepared to be questioned on this kill? Also I still question why are there two vig's? Unless you guys are both 1-shot vigilantes that seem's kind of unbalanced. I'd like you to give the other unclaimed vig a reason to not shoot you under the pretenses of "Always shoot other vig's if you're a vig because they're aren't two vig's" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Accused me of constantly switching sides and defending Sky Paladin a whole ton. Also questioned why I kept on switching between mitsuki and Green Poet which was later answered. And telling me why SB died. That i think sums up kirsche for this phase so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Well, seeing how the Mafia has at least TWO kills last night (Assuming Terrador really is TownVig), and that's AFTER their sniper is dead, I can see why the town might need the extra firepower. That and the now-cancelled rule-30 suggests that poly might have set this up expecting a fast game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 The only inconsistency I see with my case currently is that why would Scum!Terrador insist on showing his thoughts QT? That said there could be reasons for scum having their own thoughts QT, not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrador Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Truth be told, I utterly spaced on the idea of using the flip to make an associative read. But, Marth, I want to ask you a few things, making a few assumptions. And, as far as my play in Drafters' mafia goes--that game, I was trying to play town, except that instead of hunting down scummy mafioso, I was hunting down scummy town/third parties. It isn't rocket science. And if both games seem like I'm kind of trying to cover my own tail--I am! Vigilante is a HUGE role, and I'd rather like not to be drawing the night kill or lynch, much as I'd like to not be lynched or murdered by some third party in Drafters'. 1. Let's assume that the Mitsuki and SB kills were made by anti-town players. 2. Further, let's assume that I killed Euklyd. No argument there? Alright. Now, which seems likelier to you: A: There were three anti-town kills that night, in a fifteen-person game with an extra Mafia nightkill eliminated B: There were two anti-town kills and a town kill that night. If that doesn't sell you, I'll work more deliberately to prove myself, but I'd just like to see what you think of this. What did the bolded parts mean by the way? Also I know this was brought up before but damn, why did you seem so prepared to be questioned on this kill? Also I still question why are there two vig's? Unless you guys are both 1-shot vigilantes that seem's kind of unbalanced. I'd like you to give the other unclaimed vig a reason to not shoot you under the pretenses of "Always shoot other vig's if you're a vig because they're aren't two vig's" Bolded: I was trying to go after scum, first and foremost. My secondary objective would be to not just kill scum, but to kill scum that would not already be lynched, to maximize town killing effectiveness. I narrowed down Euklyd, and was seriously confident that he was scum at the end of it. Contributing nothing, potential candidate for switcher? Check, and check. I was prepared because, as vigilante, my play is pretty swingy one way or another. It's a strong-ass role, and the better I document my play, the better the postgame will be! Wen tracking me came completely out of left field, and frankly, I didn't expect to get questioned so early in the game. I thought I'd continue to fly under the radar until at very least Day 3. That said, when I came under suspicion, I figured that a speedy post of town reasoning for a kill would make it obvious that I was on your side. Finally: as far as balance issues go, see Wen's post, and my own. Balance with me on town side seems silly at first glance? Maybe. Balance with me on the mafia side is beyond broken. At least three nightkills N1? In a fifteen-man game? No, thank you! Euklyd was not a towny person. Green Poet looked town as fuck, Mitsuki and SB both did... if this was an anti-town kill, why Euklyd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Also I know this was brought up before but damn, why did you seem so prepared to be questioned on this kill? This was the issue I had. If I'm a nightvig, I'm going to factor each day's lynch into my decision of whom to kill, as well as all of the associative reads and last-minute posts that come with it. Terrador's pre-mediated kill looks suspicious to me because it a mafioso would prepare justification for a townie kill they're forced into outing, whereas this is pretty abnormal behavior for a town vig that's part of the uninformed majority and thus should always be re-evaluating their reads on the fly, with an open mind. Also, Terrador never openly stated Euk was one of his scumspects, and more or less avoided mentioning him throughout the last day phase. That being said, I don't think this merits a vote from me on Terrador, because his reasoning for ultimately vigging Euk is arguably solid, and subjective. Cut. Going to read Terrador's most recent post and see if anything's answered there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 See I have other ideas possibly that could answer as to how you could be scum but in all honesty I see no reason to really pursue you at the moment. I just wanted to hear your reaction and see how you would respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 Phase Pause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 Apparently, Persona 3 has some sort of plotline which indicates that flavor should be posted here. I don't give a crap about Persona games [maybe I should play them one day], but I bet the plot didn't account for this. Or did it? I dunno. Shinori has died. He was... Dear Shinori, Welcome to Persona 3 Mafia! You are Fuuka Yamagishi, the Priestess. "*GASP* THE ENEMY! *GASP* THE ENEMY! *GASP* THE ENEMY!" During the night phase, you may respond to this role PM ##Night X: Whose side is (USER) on? You'll use your Persona, Lucia, to scan (USER) and learn of their alignment, but not their role. In short, you are the Town Cop. You are aligned with S.E.E.S. You win when all of the Nyxists have been eliminated. Phase resumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 To be honest, Terrador, from your play on Day 1, I had you pegged for someone with a role that lets you do SOMETHING. Hence I figured I might as well get a peek to see if it might clue me in, sure didn't expect to see the frag on Euk though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Okay, no. ##Vote: Terrador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 ... Bloody hell. Not the fact that Shin got shot (Kinda saw that coming), but the fact that he's our cop and never said a peep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Wtf is this, a day SK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrador Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 ...holy hell, okay. That is BAD NEWS. People I've seen online recently: Green Poet Bluedoom Elieson Wen Shinori (durr) Myself (double durr) Junko Elieson: can we know if this was a modkill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 DAMNIT! I wasted my time :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrador Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Okay, no. ##Vote: Terrador That wall of post from the QT was the process of me figuring people out, after the lynch had happened and the Day had ended. Frankly, Euk had slid under my radar the entire Day. Mitsuki's case on him was what brought him to mind even to begin with, and frankly--I agreed! Also, I assume you think I'd be the kind to WIFOM by shooting Shinori right in the middle of an argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Not the fact that Shin got shot (Kinda saw that coming), but the fact that he's our cop and never said a peep. I'm seriously wondering if he got tailored or something. That being said, I'm going to go over his associative reads now. He most likely tried to get a lynch on his investigation target. Elieson: can we know if this was a modkill? I think the protocol is to hide the flips of modkilled people, so no; I'd say this was either a dayvig or daySK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Elieson: can we know if this was a modkill? Modkills will be announced as modkills, and provided with a violation flag. Edited April 7, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrador Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Oh, hey. With Shinori dead, this is probably wise to do: ##Unvote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) htreherherh Edited April 7, 2014 by Shinori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I narrowed down Euklyd, and was seriously confident that he was scum at the end of it. Contributing nothing, potential candidate for switcher? Check, and check. Euk wasn't online at the time that votals were changed. Also, I assume you think I'd be the kind to WIFOM by shooting Shinori right in the middle of an argument? Unfortunately, I have no idea, since I've never played a game with you. I don't believe you're a scum dayvig, though, as you'd have no reason to kill FFM and having four or five lethal mafia is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 That edit was allowed. Also, I'm redoing votals and phase times and that stuff. quick version: 5=hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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