General Spoon Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Yes, this project seems daunting. But I think we can do it. To start the list, we should rank the fixed units and subs. Next, we should pick one of the children and rank all possible versions (Kid!Father) of the kid. Then we'll do the same thing with another kid. It's probaby be best to start with someone like Favel, whose father doesn't change how he performs as much as other kids. Also, in the interest of keep our sanity, we shouldn't have the standing of one sibling drag the other down. In other words, because a pairing results in one of the kids being crap, his/her sibling won't be penalized. Here's what we've gotten so far. Kids are listed as Kid!Father for the convience of finding the kid. Top Arthur!Levin Shanan Aless Sety!Levin High Celice Laylea Leen!Holyn Leen!Beowolf Leen!Dew Leen!Fin Leen!Midayle Leen!Jamka Leen!Lex Leen!Alec Leen!Noish Leen!Claude Leen!Azel Leen!Arden Leen!Levin Oifaye Lackhe!Lex Leaf Altenna Upper Middle Fin Hawk Yuria Faval!Dew Faval!Holyn Faval!Alec Faval!Noish Faval!Arden Faval!Midayle Faval!Jamka Faval!Lex Faval!Fin Faval!Azel Faval!Beowolf Faval!Levin Faval!Claude Nanna!Alec Nanna!Fin Nanna!Beowolf Nanna!Azel Nanna!Midayle Nanna!Claude Nanna!Holyn Nanna!Lex Nanna!Levin Nanna!Jamka Nanna!Dew Nanna!Arden Nanna!Noish Middle Dimna Tristan Janne Linda Amid Lower Middle Mana Johan Radney Roddlevan Johalva Asaello Low Sharlow Corple!Lex Corple!Claude Corple!Levin Corple!Azel Corple!Arden Corple!Jamka Corple!Midayle Corple!Noish Corple!Alec Corple!Beowolf Corple!Dew Corple!Fin Corple!Holyn Pit of suckstoobadlytocare Femina Daisy Hannibal Edited July 2, 2009 by Miror B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) oh lawdy Can we get the easy crap out of the way first? I mean, gotta start somewhere, right? Serlis: High Shanan: Top Oifaye: Somewhere in up mid seems good Aless: Top Laylea: High Altenna: High Leaf: High Edited June 29, 2009 by GreenHairedDraco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?...t=0&start=0 May wanna work on this one. Levin!Arthur is most likely above or below Shanan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?...t=0&start=0May wanna work on this one. Levin!Arthur is most likely above or below Shanan. Well, yes, we could go with that one. I just felt it'd be better to start from scratch this time, since we didn't get too far last time. and people couldn't realize that all the units wern't on it because it was still being worked on Edited June 29, 2009 by Miror B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Hawk - Bottom of High/Top of Middle? Hannibal - Top of Low/Bottom of Middle? Edited June 29, 2009 by Smooth Criminal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Hawk - Bottom of High/Top of Middle?Hannibal - Top of Low/Bottom of Middle? Isn't that a bit high for Hannibal? He's most likely bottom tier.. beaten by Tristan maybe or Dimma... meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Isn't that a bit high for Hannibal? He's most likely bottom tier.. beaten by Tristan maybe or Dimma... meh. Well, are there any subs worse than him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Yes, this project seems daunting. But I think we can do it.Have a list in the OP first. It doesn't have to be completed, just start with GreenHairedDraco's suggestions and others' suggestions. Then from there, edit the list as it changes so it can be up to date and people won't have to find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Well, are there any subs worse than him? Well uh let's see... Aesallo would be close I guess but he does have more availability and Pursuit. Hmm... I think Hannibal might indeed be the worst. Edited June 29, 2009 by Sirius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 I'll keep the OP updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Hannibal is the worst unit ... followed by Asaello then Tristan or Dimna... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Levin!Sety < Shanan. Levin!Arthur... either above Sety or above Shanan. Above Shanan for now I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Most definitely not. Daisy is infinitely more terrible, Tristan is easily arguable against any foot unit due to his high durability + mobility. Dimna is actually quite decent due to his high str (gets like +5 str from a convo in Ch6), Pursuit and obviously horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Most definitely not. Daisy is infinitely more terrible, Tristan is easily arguable against any foot unit due to his high durability + mobility. Dimna is actually quite decent due to his high str (gets like +5 str from a convo in Ch6), Pursuit and obviously horse. Daisy is terrible but at least magic sword makes it easy to steal stuff and being able to give gold to other units is certainly helpful. Hannibal's... okay he's promoted and his DEF ain't too bad but like many other units, he's falling behind when the mounted are promoted and isn't contributing much to your team. Edited June 29, 2009 by Sirius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Levin!Sety < Shanan.Levin!Arthur... either above Sety or above Shanan. Above Shanan for now I guess... We can wait to do the variations of the children until after we've finished with the easy part. It'll be easier if we get the subs and fixed units out of the way first. Daisy below Hannibal? Edited June 29, 2009 by Miror B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Just throw Hannibal and Daisy in a grey area and call it pit of suckstoobadlytocare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Idk why Hannibal should be aboove Daisy...she joins 2 very long chapters earlier in which she can give money to Lana or sth like that. That's still better than what Hannibal does...(nothing =/ ) Yeah, I tend to forget some of the subs...they're all so unrecognizable =P Also Levin!Arthur > Shanan. Nobody provides Holsety for that long ... and it's 2 range, has the same stat boosts as the Balmunk and Arthur becomes mounted on promotion...he's like the perfect user for Holsety. Edited June 29, 2009 by Yojinbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) For your convience, these people are not yet on the list. Janne, Fin, Yuria, Radney, Roddlevan, Mana, Johan, Johalva, Linda and Sharlow. Edited June 30, 2009 by Miror B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I'd put Amid rather high on the list...I used him once in a sub PT and he seems to have good mag/spd and he has better caps than Arthur ... being stuck with wind isn't really bad. I'm not sure but I think that Amid is better than most Arthur's except Levin!Arthur and prolly Azel!Arthur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I love Levin!Arthur a lot but you're on crack if you think he's better than Shanan. Levin!Arthur and Levin!Sety are Top or top of High, but Shanan and Aless ought to rank higher (maybe Levin!Arthur over Aless?). Arthur starts on foot and somewhat late in ch6, kind of far away from the action. His bases blow nuts. Granted, he has lolsety, so he's not dying, but he's got 18 levels to go until promotion and when Shanan does show up at the start of ch7 he's owning the shit out of him on bases alone. Also, Pursuit and Meteor. Granted, that's up against Continue and 1~2 range, but Shanan is just as untouchable. Also, Femina is utter shit. We had a prelim 2nd Gen Tier List going at GameFAQs with some debates and info. Only got in a couple of kids, mostly Faval because most Favals are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 And Shanan could also do use of some magic swords. Sure no more Balmunk bonuses, but still it spares him money, and can do the job quite well, most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) The units in the tiers are, of course, not ordered yet. Yuria to high? Mana to mid? Janne to mid? Fin to mid? Sharlow to Pit of Suckstoobadlytocare? Edited June 30, 2009 by Miror B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Sharlow > Any non-Levin (or Lex?) Corple. Hello Elite and Berserk Staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 And goodbye Le- Oh right, we don't care about Leen. God bless Sylvia unpaired. LexXAyra kids in high, HolynxAyra kids in High below LexXAyra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) I love Levin!Arthur a lot but you're on crack if you think he's better than Shanan. Levin!Arthur and Levin!Sety are Top or top of High, but Shanan and Aless ought to rank higher (maybe Levin!Arthur over Aless?).Arthur starts on foot and somewhat late in ch6, kind of far away from the action. His bases blow nuts. Granted, he has lolsety, so he's not dying, but he's got 18 levels to go until promotion and when Shanan does show up at the start of ch7 he's owning the shit out of him on bases alone. Also, Pursuit and Meteor. Granted, that's up against Continue and 1~2 range, but Shanan is just as untouchable. Arthur can at least do something in C6 and when Shanan joins, their MOV difference isn't too big, not to mention that with the way C7 flows, Arthur's actually seeing more fights than Shanan. Shanan would be around that black square near the dark mages while Arthur would be around the bigger black square so it's likely that he'll see action with the Melgen enemies while Shanan would mostly be stuck to fighting Darna and/or Blume's forces, Arthur can do this as well. Then once Arthur promotes, guess who wins. Superior MOV and 1-2 range obviously. Edited June 30, 2009 by Sirius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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