Wanted: people to test Blossom

[VincentASM]

So we know how Blossom in FE9 affects growth rates (at least we think so...), but the same can't be said for FE10's Blossom.

The easiest, but probably tedious, way to solve this issue is to Level Up different characters multiple times with Blossom and see, empirically, how the growth rates have changed (if at all). Unfortunately, as some people may know, I don't have a means of playing FE10, so I need a few volunteers to do the testing for me.

The method of testing probably doesn't really matter. You can either play through the whole game and record the stats of a Blossom'd character at each Level (slower, but probably more fun) or you could BEXP a character until they have 99 EXP, make them Level Up in the chapter (and repeat).

It might also be helpful for some people to agree on the same character to use, so we can stack up some numbers.

Some interesting characters to use: Rafiel or Leanne (because of their 0% Str growth), Kurthnaga (95% Str growth).

Meanwhile, I think I'll try testing something in FE9 that is slightly related.

[Anouleth]

I'll check to see if I have an appropiate save file on FE10 (i.e. one with Blossom and a character with 90 exp).

[nflchamp]

I could do some of this. I'll test it on some GMs as I'm in Part 3 right now. I have to go to school in the next few minutes, so if you want me to test anyone specific just tell me.

Edit: How many trials do you want for each character?

Edited April 8, 2010 by nflchamp

[VincentASM]

I'm not sure if it's too tedious for the person trying, but 20 for each character will suffice for now.

[Integrity]

I'd help but my only save is already in the tower and you'll probably have your data before I get another one to Blossom. :(

[Anouleth]

Okay, I tested Elincia 20 times, and she procced:

HP 16 times

STR 16 times

MAG 11 times

SKL 17 times

SPD 19 times

LUK 17 times

DEF 7 times

RES 9 times

I may test some others later. Maybe someone with less h4x growths, like Tibarn.

[VincentASM]

Thanks : )

Original growth -> Effective growth with Blossom (# of tests)
20 -> 35% (20)
35 -> 45% (20)
40 -> 55% (20)
45 -> 80% (20)
50 -> 85% (20)
60 -> 85% (20)
65 -> 80% (20)
70 -> 95% (20)

There's still plenty of room for error, but it looks promising.

Edited April 8, 2010 by VincentASM

[grandjackal]

Speaking of growths like Kurthnaga's, I have a request with this test as well if anyone doesn't mind.

Slap Blossom on Kurth, because I think he would make the easiest test. Now, someone feed him BEXP and find out if he can actually manage to get a +2 for HP in a BEXP level. If so, if this works the way I think it does, those with at least 75% growths should be capable of the same (though clearly not as often).

However, I'm guessing that isn't quite likely, but I figured I'd throw that suggestion out there.

[Tables]

I think I have at least one save in endgame, which I'll use to train Kurthnaga. I'll try and do it tonight, but no guarantees.

[Florete]

I don't have time now, but I'd be willing to check my saves later and see if I can help. I'm pretty sure I have one at 4-2 with Blossom, so I should be able to use that at least.

[Nitrodon]

Rafiel gained 25 levels.

HP: 21

str: 0

mag: 15

skl: 5

spd: 11

lck: 20

def: 6

res: 22

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[VincentASM]

Thanks ^^

Current progress:

Original growth -> Effective growth with Blossom (# of tests)
0  -> 0%     (25)
10 -> 22%    (50)
20 -> 39.5%  (45)
35 -> 45%    (20)
40 -> 57.5%  (45)
45 -> 80%    (20)
50 -> 86.5%  (45)
60 -> 83%    (70)
65 -> 80%    (20)
70 -> 95%    (20)

I'm not completely sure at this stage, but I think the model proposed by Wonder Egg (a fairly popular Japanese FE site) seems to be true.

If a character has Blossom, supposedly if a stat fails to increase, the game will roll a 2nd RN to give you a second chance to increase that stat. There's some evidence (from RNG abusing) for this being true in FE9 Random mode (I'm almost at the chapter with Sothe to test this), but I don't think there's any for this game.

For reference, if a second RN is rolled, the growth rates get modified as such:

0  -> 0%
10 -> 19%
20 -> 36%
35 -> 57.75%
40 -> 64%
45 -> 69.75%
50 -> 75%
60 -> 84%
65 -> 87.75%
70 -> 91%

I haven't calculated the standard deviations yet, but I like how the experimental 60 -> 83% (the one with the more tests) is just 1 off from the theoretical 60 -> 84%.

[Tables]

[maths]Assuming that's correct, then for a growth g, the chance of a stat going up, P, is P = g + (1-g)*g, or simplified, P = g(2-g) = 2g - g². Obviously then, the largest increase proportionally is for 5% growths, which almost double, and the smallest is for 95% growths, which increase by about 1/20th. In terms of largest growth jump which I'll call Q, Q = g - g², thus dQ/dg = 1 - 2g, and the largest increase therefore must be for a growth of 50%, with a symmetry about g = 50%.[/maths]

[Zanarkin]

I'll do it, i have a current easy mode playthrough so i can do it with out it being too slow. Quick question though who or where do you get blossom?

[Interceptor]

I'll do it, i have a current easy mode playthrough so i can do it with out it being too slow. Quick question though who or where do you get blossom?

One of the tents in 3-3 has it.

[Zanarkin]

One of the tents in 3-3 has it.

Good, i haven't missed it yet.

[Tables]

In retrospect... if my file hasn't saved after using all it's bexp, it's probably sold Blossom anyway... plus I don't have time anymore, so... sorry :(.

Edited April 8, 2010 by Black Bomb

[grandjackal]

Oh, you get it in 3-3? I'm already there, I could just swing by, grab it and test it on chapter 3-4.

However, a thought occured. As for it's use and who would enjoy having it the most...who exactly would it be? Any ideas?

[Anouleth]

We still have no data for 5%, 15%, 25%, 30%, 55%, and everything above 75%, although 75+ growths would need extremely high numbers of tests for the character to miss them even once.

Maybe Mist, she has 25% STR/DEF and 55% SKL.

[Florete]

Ulki has 3 25's and two 30's so I'll test him now. Results later.

[Zkirsche]

Well, if the 2RN thing works, then:

5% -> 9.75%

15% -> 27.75%

25% -> 43.75%

30% -> 51%

55% -> 79.75%

75% -> 93.75%

80% -> 96%

85% -> 97.75%

90% -> 99%

95% -> 99.75%

Which would mean only one stat up could be done at one time for Kurth (poor him). Only thing to do would be to check this data.

Some good untis to use to check these growths:

Kurthnaga: 95% HP, 15% Mag, 25% Def

Tibarn: 75% HP, 5% Mag

Brom: 80% HP, 5% Mag, 30% Spd, 25% Res

Muarim: 55% Str, 5% Mag, 55% Luck

Micaiah: 80% Mag, 80% Luck, 90% Res

Kyza: 85% HP, 5% Mag, 15% Res

Check all of these and the missing links should be checked enougth.

Edited April 8, 2010 by The Syobon

[nflchamp]

Here's some Ike data

Levels - 21

HP - 18

STR - 16

MAG - 7

SKL - 20

SPD - 8

LCK - 11

DEF - 9

RES - 7

It's 21 levels because I failed at counting my tallies while doing it.

[grandjackal]

I got the 75% and higher growths, as I have Soren with his 80% Mag growth. Will test that now, 20 times. Will be back with the data.

[Zkirsche]

Nfl champ, it appears Ike's bases have suddenly dropped. Why?

Edited April 8, 2010 by The Syobon

[Florete]

I've got the results for Ulki out of 20 tests:

HP: 18

Str: 8

Mag: 10

Skl: 8

Spd: 12

Lck: 10

Def: 12

Res: 8

Ulki's growth-test growth:

HP: (65-90%)

Str: (25-40%)

Mag: (30-50%)

Skl: (25-40%)

Spd: (40-60%)

Lck: (35-50%)

Def: (30-60%)

Res: (25-40%)

[spoiler=Level by level data]1. HP, Mag, Skl, Spd, Def, Res

HP, Mag, Spd, Lck, Def

HP, Str, Skl, Spd, Def, Res

HP, Mag, Skl, Spd, Lck

HP, Str, Mag, Skl, Spd, Lck, Res

HP, Str, Mag, Lck, Def, Res

HP, Mag, Lck

Mag, Def, Res

HP, Str, Def

10. Str, Spd, Lck, Def, Res

HP, Spd, Lck, Def

HP, Str, Skl, Spd, Def

HP, Spd, Lck, Def, Res

HP, Str, Mag, Skl, Spd, Lck, Def

HP, Str, Mag, Skl, Spd, Res

HP, Spd, Def

HP, Skl, Res

HP, Mag, Lck

HP, Str, Mag, Skl, Spd

20. HP, Spd, Lck, Def

Also, on my current save I have the following to test later if needed:

Micaiah, Sothe (Lck capped), Sanaki, Sigrun, Skrimir, Naesala, Leanne, Astrid (Mag/Def capped), Marcia, Ulki, Nephenee, Mia (Def capped), Nealuchi, Haar (Skl/Def capped), Makalov, Tanith, Lethe, Mordecai, Zihark.

Edited April 8, 2010 by Red Fox of Fire