Snike Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 ##Elect: Tables Lesse -Math error -Bomb claim when we already have one dead. -Implying that I haven't been playing an honest game. Yep, I think I have enough reasoning to support voting you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Where's the maths error ? Wait... that wasn't what I was supposed to be arguing against, was it? Fine... I'm going to address the second bit first. With no town leader in this game, and nobody stepping forward to be one, it seemed valuable to gather what information I could and weed out what scum I could. Further to that, sharing my role liberally was killing two birds with one stone. The mafia almost certainly knows my role and so is now very unlikely to want to kill me - which considering my knowledge of what's in this game already is well worth the slightly raised chances of power roles getting hit. As for the first bit... I can assure you that isn't the case. If it were, it wouldn't even indicate I was mafia. Think about what I claimed again, and consider if town would want to fakeclaim it. Yes, Bomb was a fakeclaim. It was purely for my own survival. Because that's all I'm here for now. I didn't want to do this, but since I'm getting thrown on the gallows if I don't, I am Dugtrio, independent survivor. Unlike traditional survivors who hide behind someone, I can instead dig every other day, preventing kill attempts from working against me. For obvious reasons, I'm not going to share which nights I dug on. At this point, I'm happy to kinda just sit back and see what happens for a day or two; I've tried to be pro-town as far as possible but the mafia(s) in this game seem to have just been dominant. So for now, if I don't get lynched today I'll be happy to sit back and not do anything... malicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Also ##Unvote: Wen Yang. But nice sheeping from Freohr. Twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Why do people get the idea that fakeclaiming is helpful, when really it just makes them look like scum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Because it does help. For example, to hide the doc/cop, to keep youself alive *cough*, or to mislead the mafia. Yes, it can backfire. But often the reward outweighs the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Well, from our perspective, you are really just as bad as a mafia, because if there are 5 town left and 3 mafia, then doing nothing would let them tie the vote and then win the game. That's if you're telling the truth, and there's still the possibility that you're a mafia trying to save his skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 On the other hand, killing me means there's probably 3-4 mafia left and 8 people alive after today. You know what that means? lynching me wins pretty much wins the game for the mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 On the other hand, killing me means there's probably 3-4 mafia left and 8 people alive after today. You know what that means? lynching me wins pretty much wins the game for the mafia. If there are four mafia, we have already lost. All that remains is for you and the mafia to lynch a townie. If there are three mafia, then lynching you is just as good as lynching one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Annie's logic makes perfect sense. A true Survivor would want to end the game before he/she dies, so if there are four Mafia remaining, then I eat tables only needs to cooperate with them and vote for one Townie to guarantee victory for himself (and the Mafia). And even if there are three Mafia remaining, I eat tables still has a much higher chance of winning by helping the Mafia, if they promise not to shoot him if he supports them with his vote, so I don't see any reason for him to support the Town at this point. And the whole idea of lying about your own role when you're not even pressured to still makes you incredibly scummy, so I still doubt that Survivor claim ##Vote: I eat tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Anouleth's logic is full of holes, and your siding with him actually makes me highly suspicious. If there's two mafia factions, then one has lost two members, so that one can't afford to blitz the vote with me and the other mafia, as they'll still lose. Similarly the larger mafia can't try and rush the vote, as there'd only be 4 of us to do it (assuming it's two mafias of 3). Ergo, that line of logic is completely flawed. Secondly, lynching me would be almost guaranteed loss for the town. You'd HAVE to have one mafia shoot the other and the other fail/also shoot back, just to start tomorrow at LYLO. That's incredibly unlikely. But I think Anouleth already realised this. He doesn't make mistakes that overt... he knows that any lynch other than his team will result in his almost certain victory, as he's the Godfather of the other mafia, I think. Which means... well, if it'll keep me alive until the game's end, ##Vote: Anouleth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 But that's assuming there are two Mafia. Which is not only unproven, but seems very unlikely after the events of last night. Strawman killed Pika, Blitzy killed SEG, so who did the other Mafia kill? Furthermore, the whole idea of multiple Mafia was invented by Strawman, and we all know whose side he turned out to be on. Now, I eat tables, how is Annie's logic flawed if there is only one Mafia? And what makes you even think that he's Mafia, in the first place, when Strawman did NOT publicly announce that he cleared him? Strawman contacted Annie and confirmed himself as a Cop, possibly so that Annie would trust him when he was actually Mafia. For Annie to also be Mafia just doesn't make sense, unless there are indeed multiple Mafia. I eat tables, what makes you think there might be two Mafia, aside from the words of Joshaymin and Strawman, both of which turned up as scum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Oh, and since I don't like lynching people when I am still interested in hearing what they have to say ##Unvote: I eat tables for now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Well, this is VERY interesting. Firstly I don't think I explicitly said there are two mafias. The only person who did, I believe, was Anouleth. There's no "if". There is another mafia. So... I admit it's possible there's only one mafia, but there were a lot of kills last night. It's possible the mafia targetted someone who had already died. But certainly I can see the argument there's only one mafia. But if there is... why haven't they rushed the votes already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 That is, if there's 4 mafioso remaining, plus me they've guaranteed a victory. So, uh, actually, that just means there's 3 mafioso left if there's one mafia. Which also means lynching me puts you at LYLO tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I eat tables's logic actually makes sense now that I think about it. If there are three Mafia left, then lynching a non-Mafia would be quite unwise at this point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Well, this is VERY interesting. Firstly I don't think I explicitly said there are two mafias. The only person who did, I believe, was Anouleth. So... I admit it's possible there's only one mafia, but there were a lot of kills last night. It's possible the mafia targetted someone who had already died. But certainly I can see the argument there's only one mafia. But if there is... why haven't they rushed the votes already? I said that when I was speaking with StSS. StSS told me that there were two mafia and that Core was part of the second mafia. I assumed that he was innocent because he was the cop. Obviously, that was a bad assumption to make. The explanation is that there is one mafia with three remaining members. They cannot rush the votes because that would give them away and they can still lose. I think that is far more likely than the explanation that there are two mafia. After all, if there were two mafia, then since there are three remaining mafia, then one of the mafia must have started with two members. I consider that highly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 In addition, IET, I am a little bit disgusted by your blatant double-dealing. Alright, I'm surprised Psych called it correctly but I'm about 80% sure he was right now about you being Godfather. Which means, eh, while I've been working somewhat with the town most of the game, I'm happy to co-operate with your mafia from tomorrow. I presume you're three members still? I guess you Proto and, I dunno, Wen or Freohr? But I also guess you won't tell me that. Either way, just tell me how to vote and I'll do it, if it keeps me alive. Also I'd be glad to 'realise' I overreated in the thread once it's clear I won't be getting lynched, and remove my vote on you. Further evidence that you are not to be trusted. ##Vote: Tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 How do you know if there are two mafia again? Anyway, after that I'm willing to keep my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Double dealing? All I'm trying to do is survive. And you can hardly deny working with the mafia would be a good way of doing that. But since my only presumed mafia contact is gone, I guess that means I'm going to have to work with the town. If that's what you'd intended all along... well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Life survived perfectly fine in pokemon by outing as a survivor early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Life survived perfectly fine in pokemon by outing as a survivor early. He ended up as mafia, but that's beside the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Life survived perfectly fine in pokemon by outing as a survivor early. Life claimed to be a Survivor Cop, a role that would actually have something to gain by siding with the Town. But a normal Survivor would prefer to work with the Mafia, since not only does the Mafia need an extra vote, but the Survivor also needs the Mafia to trust him/her enough to not shoot him/her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Votals: Kopjager: Tableskitty, Freohr Datia Freohr Datia: arachnidsGrip Tableskitty: Kirsche, Kopfjager, Freohr Datia, Snikitty, Kiku-Ichimonji, Anouleth Anouleth: Tableskitty There are less than 3 hours remaining in the phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Never mind the previous post, I miscounted. The Pokemon suspecting Tables were enough to overpower the others, and they ganged up on him. Tableskitty has been lynched. He was: You are Luxray GL The strongest of the Gym Leader Volkner's Pokemon, you know that you're stronger, faster, and all around better than any wild Pokemon. But that insignificant rabble is beginning to challenge your superiority, after a long time of properly acknowledging your leadership. With the help of a few other Pokemon, you intend to put a stop to their rebellion. During the night, you may reply to your role PM with "Night X - Drag <USER> forward with Bright Look". <USER> will be forced to move out of safety, and if you attempt to kill them, any protective abilities will be ignored during that night. It will still be possible for your target to be changed, though. You can only use this ability thrice before running out of ways to remove yourself from play. You are allied with the Mafia. You win when all threats to the Mafia are eliminated. Begin Night 4. Night 4 ends at 11 PM EST 10/5 / 3 AM GMT 10/6 Votals: Tableskitty: Kirsche, Kopfjager, Freohr Datia, Snikitty, Kiku-Ichimonji, Anouleth Kopjager: Tableskitty, Freohr Datia Freohr Datia: arachnidsGrip Anouleth: Tableskitty Edited October 4, 2011 by Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freohr Datia Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Well.... looks like there's that other mafia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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