The Void Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I'm sure you've noticed when Grima!Robin takes enough damage that enough of the plating on Grima's head falls off so that you can see the humanoid face it has. Well here's a guess about that. Going with the idea that Grima came about after a fusion of the sealed Earth Dragons, the humanoid face on Grima refers to Medeus. Being the only Earth Dragon to take a humanoid form, as well as being a Earth Dragon who became a Shadow Dragon, Medeus was also part of the fusion, who played such a part in the fusion that Grima happened to get a humanoid face. Edited May 22, 2013 by The Void Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhyonnaes Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) There's some validity to that speculation, I'd say. Personally, I hold a bit of what you could call a Loptyr-centric view of the whole deal - I suspect that Loptyr's spirit might have been the reason why Medeus became evil, and believe that he is paramount in the fusion of the earth dragons into Grima - he could have perhaps even orchestrated it, though that may be giving Loptyr a bit too much credit. However, regardless of those thoughts, I think it's certainly feasible the Medeus was in some way used as the center of Grima's physical form, though obviously it's essentially impossible to speculate as to how exactly the mechanics of fusion work. Certainly it's the best explanation I've heard for the humanoid face. Edited May 22, 2013 by Lhyonnaes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I haven't really thought about it much, but I figured the face was meant to symbolise the human nature of Grima. Either as a result of fusing with the Avatar in Lucina's timeline or something they've always possessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane3x Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I thought the face was weird and creepy. Much prefer if Grima didn't have some secondary face and kept to the dragon eye glowing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhyonnaes Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I haven't really thought about it much, but I figured the face was meant to symbolise the human nature of Grima. Either as a result of fusing with the Avatar in Lucina's timeline or something they've always possessed. You'd think it would have something to do with the Avatar, but remember that the Grima from the present is not the result of any "ascension" by the Avatar. I suppose you could argue that it's a result of the massive quantities of human quintessence used by Future Grima to revive him... Actually, there's an interesting though - don't we see the 1000-year-old skull of Grima near Plegia Castle? That would seem to imply that Grima's human face is new this time around, wouldn't it... Hrmmmmmmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 he could of had it but in way it might be new remember 1 exalt fought it idk if it ment marth or someone else but you can clearly notice they havent really presant a history expt being marth decendends in other word grima could have already had it and might have bin created by medeus in other term it could be present that he was ether medeus or created by someone i could be wrong and there could also be a fussion that might happen as well as a body change and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 STARE INTO THE FACE OF DESPAIR. STARE AT IT. STARE AT IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book Bro Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 ^ I like how Olivia is all freaked out and Grima is all "GRRRAWR" meanwhile your Avatar is spazzing out in the corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackos Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I actually just noticed this, seriously how the hell did I not notice this before? It's ugly as heck and is now staring into my soul. Probably has to do with me one-shotting the guy on my playthroughs (haven't finished Lunatic so everything ends very quickly). Edited May 22, 2013 by Jackos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Is it just me, or does that look like a massive blush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Is it just me, or does that look like a massive blush? More like LED lights... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 It amuses me when his jaw breaks off and the top is still attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ϲharlie Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 STARE INTO THE FACE OF DESPAIR. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/shadowofchaos725/FE%20Screenshots/FE%20Kakusei/FaceofDespair.png STARE AT IT. STARE AT IT. I never saw that before. It looks like a boss out of Contra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 STARE INTO THE FACE OF DESPAIR. STARE AT IT. STARE AT IT. The only thing I get out of that is "'Sup bitches?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrocknroll Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 That's creepy. Of course I normally never see this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 STARE INTO THE FACE OF DESPAIR. STARE AT IT. STARE AT IT. I...don't think I've ever seen that in my game. How do you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) I...don't think I've ever seen that in my game. How do you do it? Don't kill him in one shot. Also, get through his Pavise. You don't knock off any pieces if he gets in that defensive stance. At nearly half HP, he loses the bottom dragon jaw. At under it, he loses the top part and exposes the face. Edited May 23, 2013 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book Bro Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) I...don't think I've ever seen that in my game. How do you do it?Pretty sure it happens once Grima is around 50% HPEdit: TOO SLOW BRO Edited May 23, 2013 by Owain Dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) ^ I like how Olivia is all freaked out and Grima is all "GRRRAWR" meanwhile your Avatar is spazzing out in the corner Well he did get killed by Olivia. With 3 damage... after which I Dual Attack critted with a katana... in unpromoted tactician form. I'd be spazzing out too. Edited May 23, 2013 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) There's some validity to that speculation, I'd say. Personally, I hold a bit of what you could call a Loptyr-centric view of the whole deal - I suspect that Loptyr's spirit might have been the reason why Medeus became evil, and believe that he is paramount in the fusion of the earth dragons into Grima - he could have perhaps even orchestrated it, though that may be giving Loptyr a bit too much credit. Both Medeus and Loptyr have similar speeches when they reach 0HP. As well how Medeus did become a Shadow Dragon in Mystery and it's remake. Loptyr playing a part in how Medeus was and the fusion of the Earth Dragons is something I can see happening. Edited May 23, 2013 by The Void Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Don't kill him in one shot. Also, get through his Pavise. You don't knock off any pieces if he gets in that defensive stance. At nearly half HP, he loses the bottom dragon jaw. At under it, he loses the top part and exposes the face. How can I kill him in one shot. The only unit doing double-digit Dmg was Chrom with the Exalted. e____e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 How can I kill him in one shot. The only unit doing double-digit Dmg was Chrom with the Exalted. e____e It's pretty easy to one shot him in Hard and Normal Mode. Chrom actually has a crit chance as the partner on pair up. And that goes through his Pavise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I forgot you could critical him, huh. At least it was fun having Jaffar Astracritical him for like, 12 Dmg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhyonnaes Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Both Medeus and Loptyr have similar speeches when they reach 0HP. As well how Medeus did become a Shadow Dragon in Mystery and it's remake. Loptyr playing a part in how Medeus was and the fusion of the Earth Dragons is something I can see happening. Exactly. And think about it this way - after the events of Genealogy, Medeus and Loptyr are the only two un-sealed Earth Dragons in the world. Loptyr no longer has a physical body or any vessels he can possess, but as we see in Awakening, sufficiently powerful dragon spirits seem to be able to pull of some sort of limited manifestation in the presence of those associated with their power (Naga post-Awakening ritual, maybe Grima when he resurrects Validar). I think it's reasonable to assume that Loptyr can, at least in part, hang out with Medeus. So we get the situation where, for around about 1000 years (until the seal on the earth dragons is re-made at the end of Mystery of the Emblem), Medeus has to put up with Loptyr hanging around and annoying him - Loptyr has literally nowhere else he can be, and Medeus has no possible way to get rid of him. No wonder the Earth Dragon Prince goes crazy. Hell, you could even theorize that it was Loptyr's intention all along for Medeus to get killed by Anri and Marth, because it allowed him to, over the course of two resurrections, co-occupy and eventually hijack a dragon's body. So when you encounter Dark Dragon Medeus in Mystery of the Emblem, it's really Loptyr having taken over Medeus's body. He's stopped before he can consume the power of all the earth dragons emerging from their seal, but that doesn't stop him from eventually assimilating them while locked away for a thousand years. ...Any obvious logical flaws come to anyone's mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted May 23, 2013 Author Share Posted May 23, 2013 Grima is clearly Fire Emblem's answer to this: Robin even became what he was in Lucina's timeline like Exdeath became Neo-Exdeath (that is, he/it merged with the Void). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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