Jaybee

im sorry formatting on SF is actually total shit now if somebody could gimme a quick tutorial that would be 10/10 in the meantime tho quoted verbatim from discord Michelaar-Today at 4:01 PM Well, that comes later, since I kind of need to go to college now, so expect to see a message later today But i'm kind of iffy on claiming since I don't want to die right away AGAIN

rip

EDIT: sf formatting is so weird now jesus

did this entire subforum devolve into eimm

Jaybee | 0048976229

I had a scum case for everyone left except toren and quote but the problem was that pushing it would have gotten me lynched the next day. Or maybe I should have shot LG, then argued scum framing me but then I die by occam's razor. I would also love to know the reasoning behind the toren shot urghhh i loved df playing as noob town rofl it almost almost worked I think my main mistake was not sitting down and thinking of a better claim. I could have argued for a refa lynch (which I half tried) and maybe I should have committed to that. I had enough to push a lynch, I think. BTW I should have died for my reasoning in getting eury lynched rofl. I argued that rolecop was unreasonable with miller, so she must have been fakeclaiming. But her interactions with Ken meant she was either double scum with him (impossible, given how town Ken was) or she really was a rolecop. Meh.

With the scum BP I was 1000% sure there was a SK. then we had the disastrous n1 == I think bussing DF was the right move - she managed to get suspicion off her D2 but d3 kind of sealed it tbh. Unfortunate that SB died so early sigh. I think if I'd managed to shoot anyone else we could have won. N1 refa because he was the most townie. Also the commute made me think that he was paranoid gunner SK since we sent SB for the kill. N2 Elie was random tbh. He was townie, didn't know his role, so why not. N3 GP was because she was scumreading me and I wanted LG to clear me. N4 Quote because he was the most obvious town. On hindsight shooting toren may have been better because we could have lynched quote and gone to lylo

having sb killed n1 and shooting refa n1 lost us the game imo

i tried so hard and got so far but in the end i shouldnt have claimed fucking bp

i just don't think it's toren lmao because sb couldn't have died unless there's a redirect (but none of the other 4 of us claimed a redirect)

... what? Realistically speaking, is there a functional difference between a bulletproof and a BPV? It literally doesn't matter unless I get shot more than once (then mafia is kind of fuckin dumb). It doesn't even matter in a 1-1 endgame because scum wins when "you achieve parity with the Defense and can control the vote forever." --- Agree that it's kind of weird for LG to target kirsche over Refa because tonight he can only target me/Toren. IDK i'm not really thinking through all the possibilities here because it's too confusing urghhh I agree that it kind of makes sense for LG to be scum because at this point he can just spam out no-visits since all the other roles have claimed to have no active roles. And again, scum has no revealed info roles so far. At D3, we had 1 unclaimed player (myself; I can't remember if Bizz claimed at this point BUT anyone who received a message from him would have known his role and iirc bizz was messaging LG?). Toren claimed, GP claimed to confirm the DF lynch, kirsche miller, Riptor medium, Refa claimed he commuted before the LG guilty report. ... I don't know, honestly. Could LG have bussed DF for ultimate towncred, then visited me to clear off his last unknown, then played like a scum TL? It's so ballsy that it sounds impossible but holy fuck what a way that would be to sneak by. idk fuck occams razor wifom whatever psychology shit

bulletproof

what other answer am i supposed to give? and

nothing else important is going to happen this day phase i think i still think refa is scum but if everyone wants to go for a NL i see the logic ##Unvote ##Vote NL

***if gaius is right

i'm q sure kirsche said he was doing it to bait a reaction/role use somewhere im too lazy to find it because, as i mentioned earlier, i thought it was still possible to co-exist. and it wasn't like i ignored you and made another post or something on D3 - i got back to sf to see that night 3 had started. but how have my interactions with df been scummy? i went after her d2 (for the same reasons as you), dropped my vote when she came up with content, then on d3 i was on between gaius' claim and df's defence. there literally wasn't anything to say aside from "yeah im ok with voting df is gaius is right, which he probably is" that's what the rest of the posts are for man i disagree that roles don't have scum intent because some specific roles are obviously only useful/make sense for certain factions (town janitor never forget LMAO) but that's for another day if you're talking about the last part of the para, my point was that you're reading kirsche's posts as being townish but you never clarified your doubts on his role as being a miller. if you think he's a scum miller or something, then isn't that obviously a factor in wanting to lynch him? double standards was regarding your logic regarding a scumNinja/LG combo and a scuMiller/rolecop combo because both scum roles are intended to fuck with, in all likelihood, 1 town role only and literally wouldn't affect anything else. so why raise the possibility of scuMiller if you also think scumNinja/LG doesn't seem likely? 1. as scum do you really care if either of them gets lynched, given you have no info on their roles? unless you really think one of eury/proto is a better player than the other you can still act to flake (and hell, both options are good anyway) im fine w ur df interactions because my reactions were fairly close to yours 4. bulletproof is the easiest fucking mislynch on sf, short of nexus. 5. admittedly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

step 2 of trying to LIVE involves going after someone first i shall expand on town's apparent ridiculous amount of protection the first possibility is that town has a bulletproof/odd night commuter/doctor. i was fine with believing this initially because i heavily suspected a SK in the game, but the chain of solokills likely points otherwise (or mod/ITP is fucking with us). the other is that mafia has some form of protective role, and since elie obviously isn't scum, it leads that either myself or refa is last scum. now, either maf has a bulletproof whose role (or, from what we've seen, 2nd role) is literally only useful if he gets shot by the vig, or maf has a commute. which one actually benefits scum more? --- refa's reactions toward kirsche have also been extremely wobbly so far. this is end of d2, where he's leaning towards believing kirsche's miller claim, raises the possibility of scum!kirsche with a miller role (which would specifically fuck with eury and eury only) (and seems to run contrary to his logic here where he questions the existence of a ninja because it seems as though it would only affect LG), and then here he does a 180 on the kirsche claim? and now here he says he finds no scum intent from kirsche - but you still doubt kirsche's role, ja? this isn't some awkward scenario like tpp where i had an incentive to lie about being courier - in this game, if you're lying, you're scum. so how do you reconcile doubting his role as miller with thinking kirsche is town? he still hasn't provided a suitable explanation for why he suddenly doubts the kirsche claim and he's applying double standards because it helps get me lynched ##Vote: Refa

itp could be a survivor variant or some shit

time to attempt to LIVE i would guess that ninja doesn't contradict rule 2 in the same way miller isn't supposed to why am i the only one who benefits? kirsche crumbed a power role and was also on gaius' scumlist here. you have as much reason to trust kirsche's non-active roleclaim as you do my BP claim. i agree that having a bulletproof/odd night commuter/full use doctor is overshooting things. which means there's either a SK (i'm going to lean away from this theory about toren being sk, things would be way too weird otherwise), one of us is lying, or this game is weird af (and with a town rolecop + miller, miller + rule 2, resurrection, i wouldn't put this too far out of the way). speaking of 3rd parties, i'm inclined to believe it's 4/1/1 because otherwise 11/3 is fucking hilariously broken in town's favour and this is how you turn a null read into a pure town read aasodjakceklls but where have you gotten any scum intent from my posts? these posts are really, really weak - what does being more "genuine" even mean? --- i see LG and toren as confirmed town (toren based on rolespec only though), quote... though i've been feeling null on quote the whole game, that post alone is enough to push into townread because last scumBizz wouldn't just give up like that. this leaves refa and kirsche.

yes refa i was on but i fucking hate posting on mobile im a fucking bulletproof smh (and you can Believe That) assume im spirit voting df too i understand that people have me as last scum on PoE but the only actual reasoning i've really seen for me being scum is here Here's the problem, though - you say GP is town (i agree), say that Gaius is town (depends on the df flip, but mj leaning town), which leaves ken/bizz who ignored df, and me/you/kirsche that cased her. but there's nothing in here that is an actual strong case for me being scum aside from "kirsche is more genuine" (normative af) and "ken and bizz probably wouldn't ignore their scumbuddy" (but bussing df, if scum, might not be the worst play if the final scum is a major townread). kirsche, gp, df/gaius are hella town, im iffy on toren still. refa/riptor/bizz i need to go reread but i'm guessing scum is in these 3

jesus 5 pages in less than a day

im for it i won't be awake until end of phase anyway

lmfao fuck my editing ignore that last quote from gp

##Unvote i'm fine with df now admittedly i didn't know toren was new what is the reason for baiting out the fact that you can kill as part of your role? either you're a vig (which toren claims to be), or SK trying to appear as a town vig (and before you guys laugh i did this before) (in 2011) (and it almost worked). it strikes me as trying to gain towncred, to be honest. it was genuine but i'll take that criticism my read on the eury case was that people were voting her for not really saying much or backing up her words with actions, but I was personally ok with that because Eury said she was busy all of D1 and understandably, mafia takes a backseat to stuff like that. So I wasn't seeing her as necessarily town!eury, just BusyNullRead!eury. (though now i'm perfectly cool w voting her) i don't think clarifying the rules necessarily needs to be a town or scum thing to do? like everyone benefits from clarity on the rules (see the time we wasted discussing the validity of the miller claim). admittedly, i didn't think too thoroughly about the implications regarding your clarification and i still cbf to because it makes my head hurt, but yeah. i'm really not feeling this argument at all? like why do you need to play 'scummy' or be seen as a low-priority lynch target to get the most out of your role? that's a fairly convenient excuse for being... well, actual scum? i do if you role scan kirsche, and you get the result "miller", you have effectively cleared both his alliance and his role. as compared to scanning, say, a tracker or something which can very easily be both town or scum. (unless kirsche is lying about being a miller but i don't think that's the case) assume im like spirit voting eury or something

i feel like if he's only talking about this then it implies he knows something we don't?