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Well,
human Anankos wasn't Hoshidan (he was a dragon form Touma) and Mikoto was also from Touma
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My impression is that Guard Stance is probably going to be a dominant strategy, although at least this time around they made some efforts so that there are places where you'd want an attack stance (Guard Stances don't allow for Dual Strikes, after all, and sometimes that Dual Strike damage would finish off an enemy).
Actually, couldn't you use Archers and the like to exploit things a bit more, like this:
Enemy
Guard Stance Pair-up
Archer
The Guard Stance pair creates a defensive screen for the enemy phase. If the enemy survives, the archer can Attack stance, with the aid of the lead unit of the Guard Stance (if I understand correctly), kill the enemy, then let the Guard stance advance the screen.
The next turn, the Archer can walk up behind the Guard Stance screen and use Attack stance with its lead again. Indeed, maybe that's how the position cited in my example was created in the first place.
EDIT/ADDENDUM: By the way… if Guard Stance is indeed to be consider the stronger strategy for a majority (if not all) of situation, should perhaps we also consider this in optimizing for the 2nd gen…. after all, they get their Guard Stance personal pair-up boost from their parent's boosts (C and A boosts from father, B and S boosts from mother), so that then determines which extra stat points they're adding to their partner in Guard Stance…. 5 stat points are involved in these S-rank boosts… 2 of them are fixed as the father's C and A rank boosts, but the other 3 are malleable from the mother's boosts.
For example, by the time of S-rank, Matoi will always grant at least 2 DEF (from Tsubaki's C and A rank each adding +1 DEF, for +2 DEF total), but the other three stat points will come from her mother…. for instance, Hinoka will add on +1 LCK, +1 SPD, and +1 RES, while Luna will add on +1 DEF, 1 SPD, and +1 STR.
Obviously, modifiers, classes, and skills are going to be more important, but when determining which couples would work most efficiently together, the effective stats that the lead unit of the couple would have to work with would be: lead units stats + pair-up stat's from partner's class + personal pair-up stats intrinsic to the partner. Of course, its only 5 stat points controlled by this latter factor, but at some points that just might make the difference in breaking a threshold.
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How do you actually get it to work? What type of program or computer language do you need to run the file, hypothetically speaking? I've looked at the github, and it has a tar.gz file, which of course I can unpack, but the documentation doesn't specify how to run it.
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Does anyone know what are the support bonuses children give/get? Since each character seems to give a unique support bonus.
A collaboration of users sharing information have found and double checked that pair-up works like:
Regular bonuses of class + Father's C-rank bonus if C rank or above + Mother's B rank bonus if B rank or above + Father's A rank bonus if A rank or above + Mother's S rank bonus if S rank.
I'd guess attack stance works similarly, but I cannot confirm this at the current time.
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I believe that testing the child seal of Elise!Lutz would provide a great insight as to how it works.
Arthur has a 5% personal luck growth, Elise has a 70% growth, and Lutz has a 75% growth
If growths work like in Awakening, Lutz should have a 50% growth rate. (5+70+75 = 150; 150/3 = 50).
If growths work with just the variable parent and kid's average, it should be a 72.5% growth rate (70+75 = 145; 145/2 = 72.5).
As such, there would be a 22.5% growth rate difference between the two possibilities.
This is considerably more dramatic than other cases I've been able to test (by looking at people's youtube videos) before, such as Elise!Kisaragi's magic growth (65% Elise, 0% Takumi, 0% Kisaragi); these predicted 21.66% in the first case and 32.5% in the second case, so the difference between these scenarios was 10.8333% in growths.
So, in other words, Elise!Lutz would be a much better diagnosis of growth rates.
One catch is that his growth is so large that promoting from Wyvern Rider to Wyvern Lord would be hitting the caps always with a child seal; there is a 9 luck difference between them, and the promotion bonus is +1. You'd get 8.5 luck at 50% luck growth for 17 level.
So, instead, the question is how many levels it takes to max him out. He gains 1 luck from promotion, (from having capped out as a Wyvern, so his growths presumably wouldn't help him as he'd be unable to gain such levels when unpromoted).
So he has 8 luck left to gain then.
If it works like Awakening, he should take 8/.5 = 16 levels on average to cap out luck.
If it works like the average of Elise and Lutz's growths, he should take 11.03 levels to cap out luck, on average.
Could someone test this?
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Well, Nyx's personal magic growth is 50%. .
Mother and Child Growth hypothesis: Matoi gets 32.5% magic growth (contrast to 15% default); Str growth would be 20% (same as Setsuna's personal growth)
Father, Mother, and Child Grwoth Hypothesis: Matoi gets 28.333% magic growth (contrast to 15% default). Strength growth would be 23.333%
In both cases, these are personal growths. Add class growths for actual numbers.
This Matoi might able to abuse Shinrai Nagiantas (the magic lances) better than some other mothers due to increased magic growth… they have higher mights than Steels, can double easily, etc…. they just don't let you use skills and they drop avoid… oh, and 1-2 range without doubling penalties or helping the enemy double you.
She also gets Dark Knight, which can use Swordfaire or swords in common with Samurai. She also gets Bowbreaker if Matoi can bear going through Sorcerer. That could be taken back to Pegasus.
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Oboro Matoi is quite similar to Hinoka!Matoi in several key aspects… both get the same class sets (Pegasus/Samurai/Lance Fighter), both have +1 STR and +0 SPD mods.
As for their differences:
Oboro causes Matoi to have +4 SKL, -1 LCK, +5 Def, and -1 RES.
Hinoka causes Matoi to have +2 SKL, +0 LCK, +3 DEF, and +2 Res.
Both have +0 magic.
Hinoka has better growths overall (305% vs. 280%).
Oboro can pass down a Herb Merchant Skill OR can pass down a Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Wyvern, or Bowman skill by buddy supports. She can only pass down one skill, so these options are mutually exclusive.
Hinoka can pass down skills from these trees by buddy support: Priestess, Archer, Wyvern Rider, or Rod Knight (Azura, replacement class for Singer)
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Well, I don't have the game yet (all my writing has been theory crafting, and also assuming more of a grinding context for invisible kingdom rather than no-grind, in which my theory-crafted sets aren't going to emerging)…. but yeah, I have thought of some similar things…
Like Kagerou…. I'm using her on a Gurei in a simlar capacity…. rather than "slower Trueblade), he'd be "slower but stronger Ninja"…. you know, 35-2 SPD = 33 SPD, 27 + 5 STR = 32 STR). I think its a reasonable concept…. transform a class that is normally crazy fast but on the low side of str into a class that is now better on STR but slightly slower (but still fast compared to some other classes).
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I'm a sucker for redheads.
Me too. Its been like that for some time…. it was a bit of a gradual process.
There was an attractive more auburn redhead in my high school who was in a lot of my classes. Then there was a pretty smart and friendly dyed redhead in my undergraduate, in the same department and year as I was. And there were some video game characters too…. Mitsuru Kirijo from Persona 3…. Cordelia in Fire Emblem Awakening, etc…. .
So it was a gradual realization as I reflected on the women that I had found particularly attractive both in real life and also in video games and started noticing a commonality: redheads.
So, for example, I was always planning to go with Hinoka!Matoi or Luna!Matoi, explicitly to get a redheaded Matoi…. Luna!Soleil looks great too, as does the impossible Hinoka!Soleil image we saw earlier…. a pity that there's that awkwardness with the handling of the Kamui x Soleil support…. but who knows, maybe it will be drastically improved in the localization. Luna!Ophelia also looks great, although given Luna's poor magic growths I don't really think that would be that great of an idea.
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Indeed, you've had a lot of Fates characters in your Avatar and your signature… before you had an Avatar of Kirei Kotomine, now its Kiritsugu Emiya.
Going back to the main topic, Felicia as the mother of Matoi would make her have really low STR growth and lowish magic (high for not traditionally magical unit but very low compared to traditionally magical ones)…. she would get Tomebreaker (combo with Mirror Strike) and Servant's Joy (use with support Falcon Warrior).
I suppose she could abuse Shinrai Naginata as a Falcon Warrior (or Basara) for her main means of damage.
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Okay, so I think I filled the remaining ones in… wall of text incoming.
Marriages and Buddies
Notation: (Husband + Husband's Buddy) x (Wife + Wife's Buddy)
1st Gen Pairings:
1. (Tsubaki + Zero) x (Hinoka + Camilla)
2. (Ryoma + Xander) x (Rinkah + Charlotte)
3. (Takumi + Leo) x (Hana + Effie)
4. (Saizou + Lazward) x (Kagerou + Rinkah);
5. (Hinata + Nishiki) x (Pieri + Luna)
6. (Asama +Tsubaki) x (Orochi + Nyx)
7. (Kaze + Xander or Slias) x (Felicia + Flora)
8. (Jakob + Takumi) x (Azura + Sakura)
9. (Silas + Ryoma) x (Oboro + Belka)
10. (Nishiki + Hinata) x (Mozume + Oboro)
11. (Tsukuymoi + Asama) x (Nyx + Mozume)12. (Benoit + Tsukuyomi) x Belka + (Oboro)
13. (Flannel + Benoit) x (Camilla + Hinoka)
14. (Xander + Ryoma) x (Charlotte + Rinkah)
15. (Leo +Odin) x (Sakura + Elise)
16. (Zero + Tsubaki) x (Setsuna + Hinoka)
17. (Odin + Lazward) x (Elise + Azura)
18. (Arthur + Zero or Flannel) x (Effie + Hana)
19. (Lazward + Flannel) x (Luna + Setsuna)
1st Gen (Avatar) x 2nd Gen Pairing
20. (Kamui/Corrin + any male A supports) x (Hinoka!Matoi + Sophie)
2nd Gen Pairings:
21. (Azura!Deere + Gurei) x (Camilla!Velour + Sophie)
22. (Jakob!Shigure + Hisame) x (Orochi!Mitama + Kanna)
23. (Rinkah!Shinonome + Seigbert) x (Setsuna!Eponine + Matoi)
24. (Hana!Kisaragi + Deere/Foleo) x (Felicia!Midoriko + Kinu)
25. (Kagerou!Gurei + Deere) x (Oboro!Sophie + Matoi)
26. (Pieri!Hisame + Shigure) x (Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna + Mitama)
27. (Charlotte!Seigbert + Shinonome) + x (Luna!Soleil + Ophelia):
28. (Sakura!Foleo + Shigure) x (Mozume!Kinu + Kanna)
29. (Effie!Lutz + Deere) x (Nyx!Syalla + Matoi)
30. (Belka!Ignis + Seigbert) x (Elise!Ophelia + Syalla)CLASSES
CLASSES
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Tsubaki: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter, Outlaw
Hinoka: Pegasus Warrior, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Wyvern Rider
2.Ryoma: Samurai, Pegasus Warrior, Oni Savage, Cavalier
Rinkah: Oni Savage, Ninja, Samurai, Fighter
3.Takumi: Bowman, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Dark Mage
Hana: Samurai, Priestess, Bowman, Knight
4.Saizou: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, Mercenary
Kagerou: Ninja, Spellcaster, Samurai, Oni Savage
5.Hinata: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier, Spellcaster
Pieri: Cavalier, Dark Mage, Samurai, Mercenary
6.Asama: Priest, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior
Orochi: Spellcaster, Herb Merchant, Priestess, Dark Mage
7.Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Rod Knight, Cavalier
Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Ninja, Dark Mage
8.Jakob: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior, Bowman
Azura: Singer, Pegasus Warrior, Rod Knight, Priestess
9.Silas: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance Fighter, Samurai
Oboro: Lance Fighter, Herb Merchant, Cavalier, Wyvern Rider
10.Nishiki: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Bowman, Samurai
Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Spellcaster, Lance Fighter
11.Tsukuyomi: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Dark Mage, Priest
Nyx: Dark Mage, Outlaw, Spellcaster, Bowman
12.Benoit: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Spellcaster
Belka: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight, Lance Fighter
13.Flannel: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Knight
Camilla: Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Fighter, Pegasus Warrior
14.Xander: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Samurai
Charlotte: Fighter, Rod Knight, Cavalier, Oni Savage
15.Leon: Dark Mage, Rod Knight, Priest, Samurai
Sakura: Priestess, Pegasus Warrior, Dark Mage, Rod Knight
16.Zero: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, Pegasus Warrior
Setsuna: Bowman, Ninja, Outlaw, Pegasus Warrior
17.Odin: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight, Mercenary
Elise: Rod Knight, Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior
18.Arthur: Fighter, Cavalier, Knight, Outlaw
Effie: Knight, Rod Knight, Fighter, Samurai
19.Lazward: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior, Fighter
Luna: Mercenary, Pegasus Warrior, Ninja, Bowman
20.Kamui: Nohr Prince, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, all A-support male classes
Hinoka!Matoi: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter, Dark Mage, Cavalier
21.Azura!Deere: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior, Fighter, Ninja
Camilla!Velour: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Rod Knight, Cavalier
22.Jakob!Shigure: Pegasus Warrior, Rod Knight, Wyvern Rider, Priest, Samurai
Orochi!Mitama: Priestess, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior, Dark Mage
23.Rinkah!Shinonome: Lance Fighter, Samurai, Oni Savage, Outlaw, Cavalier
Setsuna!Eponine: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, Lance Fighter, Pegasus Warrior
24.Hana!Kisaragi: Bowman, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Herb Merchant, Rod Knight
Felicia!Midoriko Herb Merchant, Ninja, Rod Knight, Bowman, Spellcaster
25.Kagerou!Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, Cavalier, Rod Knight
Oboro!Sophie: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance Fighter, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior
26.Pieri!Hisame: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior
Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna: Nohr Princess, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Priestess
27.Charlotte!Seigbert: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Mercenary, Lance Fighter
Luna!Soleil: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior, Cavalier, Dark Mage
28.Sakura!Foleo: Rod Knight, Dark Mage, Priest, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior
Mozume!Kinu: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Villager, Rod Knight, Dark Mage
29.Effie!Lutz: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight, Dark Mage, Rod Knight
Nyx!Syalla: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Dark Mage, Wyvern Rider, Pegasus Warrior
30.Belka!Ignis: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Cavalier
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I hope they have Julie Ann Taylor as Luna's voice actress!
And as Matoi's!
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But my Nyx is with Tsukyomi, so she already gets Spellcaster from him… Spellcaster from Orochi would be redundant.
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Whom should I buddy these characters with: Kagerou, Nishiki, Oboro, Tsukuymoi, Nyx, Leo, Arthur, Luna, Lazward
Let's see….
Oboro: Wyvern Rider (Belka)….
Luna: Bowman (Setsuna)
Still thinking on the others.
As for Carter's question on Exorcist Elise!Ophelia…. Well, she'd be faster and get staff utility…. that could be helpful, although everything has trade offs.
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Well, Wyvern gives STR+2, so there's that. Revanent Knight level 15 (although it doesn't share lance rank, so it might be more of a struggle, although it does share the Basara's tome rank) gives you Overbearing, which is +5 damage if attacking an unmounted unit… that's on the level of an additional Faire. There's also sword breaker from Wyvern Lord 15 for further messing up sword based opponents.
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Fighter, actually, which becomes Berserker and Hero.
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Don't worry about it… I altered around my pairing plans and they aren't together anymore….
For those interested, my plans are two posts ago.
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Whom should I buddy these characters with: Kagerou, Nishiki, Oboro, Tsukuymoi, Nyx, Leo, Arthur, Luna, Lazward
Does Flora give Felicia Dark Mage or Mercenary[redundant] in buddy seal (they share primaries, but Felicia has two secondaries).
If Seigbert marries Oboro!Sophie and marriage seals, their cavaliers overlap. Which of Sophie's classes does he get? Mercenary? And does Sophie get Wyvern Rider?
First Gen Pairings:
1. Hinoka x Tsubaki + Camilla; Tsubaki x Hinoka + Zero; Matoi: +1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res
Hinoka: Pegasus Warrior, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Wyvern Rider
Tsubaki: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter, Outlaw
2. Ryoma x Rinkah + Xander; Rinkah x Ryoma + Charlotte; Shinonome: +1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +3 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res
Ryoma: Samurai, Pegasus Warrior, Oni Savage, Cavalier
Rinkah: Oni Savage, Ninja, Samurai, Fighter
3. Takumi x Hana + Leo; Hana x Takumi + Effie; Kisaragi: +3 Str, +1 Mag, +5 Skl, +1 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res
Takumi: Bowman, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Dark Mage
Hana: Samurai, Priestess, Bowman, Knight
4. Saizou x Kagerou + Lazward; Kagerou x Saizou + (Setsuna, Rinkah, or Pieri); Gurei: +5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -2 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res
Saizou: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, Mercenary
Kagerou: Ninja, Spellcaster, Samurai, Bowman or Oni Savage or Cavalier
5. Hinata x Pieri + Nishiki; Pieri x Hinata + Luna; Hisame: +3 Str, +1 Mag, -1 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +3 Res
Hinata: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier, Spellcaster
Pieri: Cavalier, Dark Mage, Samurai, Mercenary
6. Asama x Orochi + Tsubaki; Orochi x Asama + Nyx; Mitama: +3 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +2 Res
Asama: Priest, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior
Orochi: Spellcaster, Herb Merchant, Priestess, Dark Mage
7. Nishiki x Mozume + (Hinata, Asama, Flannel);Mozume x Nishiki + Oboro; Kinu: +2 Str, +1 Mag, -1 Skl, +4 Spd, +3 Lck, -1 Def, +1 Res
Nishiki: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Bowman, Samurai or Priest or Fighter
Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Spellcaster, Lance Fighter
8. Kaze x Felicia + Xander/Silas; Felicia x Kaze + Flora; Midoriko: -3 Str, +3 Mag, +3 Skl, +5 Spd, -1 Lck, -1 Def, +1 Res
Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Rod Knight, Cavalier
Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Ninja, Dark Mage???
9. Jakob x Azura + Takumi; Azura x Jakob + Sakura; Shigure & Deere: +3 Str, -1 Mag, +4 Skl, +4 Spd, +0 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res
Jakob: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior, Bowman
Azura: Singer, Pegasus Warrior, Rod Knight, Priestess
10. Silas x Oboro + Ryoma; Oboro x Silas + (Orochi, Rinkah, Belka, or Mozume); Sophie: +3 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +2 Spd, -1 Lck, +2 Def, -1 Res
Silas: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance Fighter, Samurai
Oboro: Lance Fighter, Herb Merchant, Cavalier, Spellcaster or Oni Savage or Wyvern Rider or Bowman
11. Tsukuymoi x Nyx + (Asama, Nishiki, or Benoit); Nyx x Tsukuymoi + (
Orochi, Effie, Charlotte, or Mozume); Syalla: +1 Str, +5 Mag, -2 Skl, +5 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +1 ResTsukuymoi: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Dark Mage, Priest or replacement (Herb Merchant?) or Knight
Nyx: Dark Mage, Outlaw, Spellcaster, Knight or Fighter or Bowman
12. Benoit x Belka + Tsukuyomi; Belka x Benoit + Oboro; Ignis: +0 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -4 Spd, +1 Lck, +6 Def, +1 Res
Benoit: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Spellcaster
Belka: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight, Lance Fighter
13. Flannel x Camilla + Benoit; Camilla x Flannel + Hinoka; Velour: +5 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, -1 Lck, +4 Def, +0 Res
Flannel: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Knight
Camilla: Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Fighter, Pegasus Warrior
14. Xander x Charlotte + Ryoma; Charlotte x Xander + Rinkah; Seigbert: +6 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +2 Spd, +3 Lck, +0 Def, -3 Res
Xander: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Samurai
Charlotte: Fighter, Rod Knight, Cavalier, Oni Savage
15. Leo x Sakura + (Takumi, Xander, Odin, or Zero); Sakura x Leo + Elise; Foleo: -1 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +0 Def, +3 Res
Leo: Dark Mage, Rod Knight, Priestess, Bowman or Cavalier or Samurai or Outlaw
Sakura: Priestess, Pegasus Warrior, Dark Mage, Rod Knight
16. Zero x Setsuna + Tsubaki; Setsuna x Zero + Hinoka; Eponine: -1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +7 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +1 Res
Zero: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, Pegasus Warrior
Setsuna: Bowman, Ninja, Outlaw, Pegasus Warrior
17. Odin x Elise + Lazward; Elise x Odin + Azura; Ophelia: +0 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, +3 Lck, -2 Def, +1 Res
Odin: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight, Mercenary
Elise: Rod Knight, Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior
18. Arthur x Effie + (Asama, Zero, or Flannel ); Effie x Arthur + Hana; Lutz: +5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +2 Spd, -2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res
Arthur: Fighter, Cavalier, Knight, Priest or Outlaw
Effie: Knight, Rod Knight, Fighter, Samurai
19. Lazward x Luna + (Xander, Odin, or Flannel); Luna x Lazward + ( Setsuna, Camilla, Pieri, or Belka ); Soleil: +1 Str, +1 Mag, +2 Skl, +2 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res
Lazward: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior, Cavalier, Dark Mage, or Fighter
Luna: Mercenary, Pegasus Warrior, Ninja, Bowman, Wyvern Rider, or Cavalier
Second Generation Pairings:
1. Corrin x Matoi + male A-supports; Matoi x Corrin + Sophie; Kanna: +1 Str, +4 Mag, +2 Skl, +2 Spd, -1 Lck, +0 Def, +3 Res
Corrin: +MAG/-DEF: +4 MAG, +2 SPD, -1 LCK, -3 DEF, +1 RES; Secondary class: Dark Mage
Corrin: Nohr Prince, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, all classes from male A-supports
Matoi: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter, Dark Mage, Cavalier
2.
Shinonome x Eponine + Seigbert
Eponine x Shinonome + Matoi
Shinonome: Lance Fighter, Samurai, Oni Savage, Outlaw, Cavalier
Eponine: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, Lance Fighter, Pegasus Warrior
3.
Kisaragi x Midoriko + Deere/Foleo (both Rod Knights)
Midoriko x Kisaragi + Kinu
Kisaragi: Bowman, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Herb Merchant, Rod Knight
Midoriko: Herb Merchant, Ninja, Rod Knight, Bowman, Spellcaster
4.
Gurei x Sophie + Deere
Sophie x Gurei + Matoi
Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, Rod Knight, Cavalier
Sophie: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance Fighter, Pegasus Warrior, Ninja
Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, Rod Knight,
5.
Hisame x Kanna + Shigure
Kanna x Hisame + Mitama
Hisame: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior
Kanna: Nohr Princess, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Priestess
6.
Shigure x Mitama + Hisame
Mitama x Shigure + Kanna
7.
Deere x Velour + Gurei
Velour x Deere + Kanna/Sophie/Kinu/Eponine
Deere: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior, Ninja, Fighter
Velour: Garou, FIghter, Wyvern Rider, Rod Knight, Dark Mage/Cavalier/Spellcaster/Outlaw
8.
Ignis x Ophelia+ Seigbert
Ophelia x Ignis + Syalla
Ignis: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Cavalier, Dark Mage
Ophelia: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight, Spellcaster, Knight
9.
Seigbert x Soleil + Shinonome
Soleil x Seigbert + Mitama/Ophelia/Eponine
Seigbert: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Lance Fighter, Mercenary
Soleil: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior, Cavalier, Priestess or Dark Mage or Outlaw
Seigbert: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Lance Fighter,
10.
Foleo x Kinu + Shigure
Kinu x Foleo +
Foleo: Rod Knight, Dark Mage, Priest, Pegasus Warrior, Spellcaster
Kinu: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Villager, BUDDY, Rod Knight
11.
Lutz x Syalla+ Deere
Syalla x Lutz + Matoi
Lutz: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight, Rod Knight, Spellcaster
Syalla: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, Wyevern Rider,
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Hey guys,
I have a few questions: what secondary class would be best for Kamui if she marries Lazward (mainly for his benefit)?
I'd say Samurai. Lazward uses swords. Kamui uses swords (her personal legendary weapon, the Yato, is a sword). Swordfaire benefits both of them.
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Oh, advice is always appreciated… its part of the point of these threads in the first place…
This may not be my place but why not have Tsubaki A+ Zero for Movement +1, Lucky Seven, and Pass or have him A+ Asama for Miracle, Renewal, and Magic Counter (or maybe even Tomefaire if you want Tsubaki as a Dark Falcon/Dark Flier) or have him A+ Saizou for Snake Venom, Copycat Puppet, and Puppet Break. I don't know if any that looked good for what you wanted for your Tsubaki but I just thought I'd help a little (even though I most likely didn't help at all, and I'm sorry if that was the case.)
Both Saizou and Zero do enable Lockpicking… Zero offers more mobility and Lucky Seven (to combo with evasion), Saizou offers the Copycat ability (which I agree is a good ability, although I don't plan to build my team around it either, unlike Galeforce from Awakening).
Renewal does support the "tank" role that Tusbaki would have…. if he was in a sturdier class, that is.
I think that probably Zero or Saizou would be the best picks.
As for your Hinoka!Mitama… If you have Clear Mind, you have access to Dread Fighter, don't you? Do you have a particular reasoning for not running Aggressor (or perhaps you still would need to grind for some levels to get it)?
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So I thought I might revisit the pairings that I discussed in some earlier posts. At that point, I had not accommodated buddy seal choices or 2nd generation marriage choices into the setup. Now I try to come back to it.
Notation that will be used:
Character A x Character B + (Character C, Character D, Character E, or Character F)
Translation:
Character A marries (and marriage seals with) Character B. Character_A also has the choice of A+ supporting and buddy sealing with a choice of the following characters: Character C, Character D, Character E, or Character F. They choose to A+ buddy seal with the character whose name is in bold; in this chase, Character D.
Additionally, useless buddy supports (where no new classes after marriage and inherent classes are accounted for) will be crossed out.
Some I'm still trying to work out. I've got a lot of the buddies… but I still need to figure out most marriages (I have Shigure x Mitama, but not much else).
NOTE: This setup assumes no skill-buying. I have ethernet and wireless internet access, but the wireless that I have available (which my 3DS needs to connect to) is temperamental and hard to get connected to; as such, I don't want to rely on it for my builds.
1.
Hinoka x Tsubaki + (Sakura, Setsuna, Camilla, or Aqua)
---> Hinoka can use lance rank as Wyvern Lord; also, enables a Rally Speed + Rally Defense support option + Encouragement.
Tsubaki x Hinoka + (Saizou,
Hinata, Asama, or Zero)---> I don't really know …..
Matoi x Corrin + (Sophie, Mitama, Syalla, or Eponine)
---> Cavalier/Paladin/Great Knight utilize swords/lances; Matoi has both their faires. Some more strikes, Luna, etc.
Tsubaki: Pegasus Warrior/Golden, Samurai, Lance Fighter, __________
Hinoka: Pegasus Warrior, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Wyvern Rider
Matoi: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance Fighter, Dark Mage, Cavalier ; +1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res
2.
Corrin x Matoi + (any A-supported males); +4 MAG, +2 SPD, -1 LCK, -3 DEF, +1 RES
---> He isn't limited to one buddy like most; he can buddy with any man, so skills like Swordfaire, Tomefaire, etc., can easily be picked up this way
Matoi x Corrin + (Sophie, Mitama, Syalla, or Eponine) [note: redundant entry]
Kanna x ________ + (Midoriko, Mitama, Kinu, or Velour); +1 STR, +4 MAG, +2 SKL, +2SPD, -1 LCK, +0 DEF, +3 RES
---> Gain access to Renewal (combo with Dragon's Child) and Tomefaire (can be used in Dark Blood).
Kanna's Marriage options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Shinonome - Lancer, Kisaragi - Bowman, Gurei - Ninja, Hisame - Samurai, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - KnightCorrin: Nohr Prince, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, all male A-ranks' base classes
Matoi: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance, Dark Mage, Cavalier ; +1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res [note: redundant entry]
Kanna: Nohr Princess, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, __________ , Priestess
3.
Ryoma x Rinkah + (Takumi, Saizou, Xander, or Silas)
---> Cavalier utilizes sword rank and has higher movement; Luna, etc.
Rinkah x Ryoma + (
Kagerou, Oboro, Orochi, or Charlotte)--> Axefaire access, etc.
Shinonome x _____ + (Kisaragi, Gurei, or Seigbert)
---> He has both the faires for Cavalier
Shinonome's Marriage Options: Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Mitama - Priestess,Matoi - Pegasus Warrior, Syalla - Spellcaster, Kinu - Spellcaster, Ophelia - Dark Mage, Eponine - Outlaw,Ryouma: Samurai, Pegasus Warrior, Oni Savage, Cavalier
Rinkah: Oni Savage, Ninja, Samurai, Fighter
Shinonome: Lance Fighter, Samurai, Oni Savage, ______, Cavalier; +1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +3 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res
4.
Takumi x Hana + (
Ryouma,Hinata, Leo, or Jakob)--> He'll be getting Swordfaire/sword rank access from Hanna, so Dark Knight may be more useful when picking up skills; Lifetaker.
Kazahana x Takumi + (
Sakura, Setsuna, Effie, or Felicia)---> Knight/General/Great Knight high STR works with Hanna's own STR; Great Knight uses swords
Kisaragi x ______ + (Deere,
Shinonome,Hisame, or Foleo)----> Doesn't matter; both non-redundant options are Rod Knights anyways
Kisaragi's Marriage Options: Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Mitama - Priestess,Matoi - Pegasus Warrior, Syalla - Spellcaster, Kinu - Spellcaster, Soleil - Mercenary, Velour - FighterTakumi: Bowman, Lance, Samurai, Dark Mage
Kazahana: Samurai, Priestess, Bowman, Knight
Kisaragi: Bowman, Lance, Samurai, _______, Rod Knight; +3 Str, +1 Mag, +5 Skl, +1 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res
5.
Saizou x Kagerou + (
Ryoma, Tsubaki, Lazward, orKaze)---> Tsubaki would give him Swallow Strike to offset low speed; Lazward has shared sword ranks (once Saizou promotes) in Mercenary
Kagerou x Saizou + (Setsuna, Orochi, Rinkah, or Pieri)
---> Bows can be applied to the Puppeteer promotion
Gurei x _______ + (Deere, Shinonome,
Hisame, or Ignis)----> Defensive formation could be applied due to -SPD, but Ninja is fast anyways; Lancer doesn't add that much… Deere offers Bulter/Tomebreaker and shared Kunai use…. I'd lean to Deere
Gurei Marriage Options: Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Mitama - Priestess,Matoi - Pegasus Warrior, Syalla - Spellcaster, Kinu - Spellcaster, Soleil - Mercenary, Ophelia - Dark Mage, Eponine - Outlaw, Velour - FighterSaizou: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, ______
Kagerou: Ninja, Spellcaster, Samurai, Bowman
Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, _____, Rod Knight ; +5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -2 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res
6.
Hinata x Pieri + (Takumi, Tsubaki, Nishiki, or Odin)
---> Mirror/Diamond/Swallow/Flowing Strike options
Pieri x Hinata + ( Kagerou, Luna, Charlotte, or Felicia)
--> Pieri makes use of Mercenary's swords
Hisame x ________ + (Shigure, Kisaragi, Gurei, or Lutz)
---> Swallow Strike access
Hisame's marriage options:
Shinonome's Marriage Options: Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Mitama - Priestess,Matoi - Pegasus Warrior, Syalla - Spellcaster, Kinu - Spellcaster, , Ophelia - Dark Mage, Velour - FighterHinata: Samurai, Oni, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior
Pieri: Cavalier, Dark Mage, Samurai, Mercenary
Hisame: Samurai, Oni, Cavalier, ________, Pegasus Warrior; +3 Str, +1 Mag, -1 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +3 Res
7.
Asama x Orochi + (Tsubaki,
Tsukuyomi, Nishikior Arthur)--> Share stave/lances as Falcon warrior, more mobility
Orochi x Asama + (Kagerou, Oboro, Rinkah, or Nyx)
---> Orochi is powerful but slow, so give her the best possible magic attack strength
Mitama x Shigure + (Kanna, Matoi,
Syalla, or Soleil)--> Kanna gives her Dark Mage/Dark Knight/Sorcerer
--> marrying Shigure completes his rally set
Mitama marries Shigure.
Asama: Priest, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior
Orochi: Spellcaster, Herb Merchant, Priestess, Dark Mage
Mitama: Prietess, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior, Dark Mage; +3 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +2 Res
I'm GOING TO HANDLE #8, Kaze, and #11, Nishiki, Separately
9.
Jakob x Azura + (Takumi,
Silas, orGunther)Azura x Jakob + (
Hinoka, Sakura, orElise)Shigure x Mitama + (Hisame or
Foleo)---> only one real choice
---> Mitama completes a 5+1 rally build
Deere x ________+ (Kisaragi, Gurei, or Lutz)
--> Kunai-faire for Butler/Ninja
Marry Shigure to Mitama.
Deere's Marriage Options: Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Mitama - Priestess,Matoi - Pegasus Warrior, Syalla - Spellcaster, Kinu - Spellcaster, Soleil - Mercenary, Ophelia - Dark Mage, Eponine - Outlaw, Velour - FighterJakob: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus, Bowman
Azura: Singer, Pegasus, Rod Knight, Priestess
Shigure: Pegasus, Rod Knight, Wyvern, Priest, Samurai; +3 Str, -1 Mag, +4 Skl, +4 Spd, +0 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res
Deere: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus, ________, Ninja; +3 Str, -1 Mag, +4 Skl, +4 Spd, +0 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res
10.
Silas x Oboro + (Ryoma, Kaze, or Jakob)
--> Ryoma gives Silas Swordfaire too, and Silas's wife Oboro gives him Lancefaire
Oboro x Silas + (Orochi, Rinkah, Belka, or Mozume)
---> ?????
Sophie x ________ + (Matoi,
Soleil, or Velour)---> Swallow Strike, convenience of reciprocal use of each other as A+
Sophie's marriage options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Shinonome - Lancer, Kisaragi - Bowman, Gurei - Ninja, Hisame - Samurai, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - KnightSilas: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance, Samurai
Oboro: Lance, Herb Merchant, Cavalier, ___________
Sophie: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance, ________, Pegasus Warrior ; +3 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +2 Spd, -1 Lck, +2 Def, -1 Res
I'm GOING TO HANDLE #8, Kaze, and #11, Nishiki, Separately
12.
Tsukuyomi x Nyx+ (Asama, Nishiki, or Benoit)
----> Will Nishiki give a class parallel to Herb Merchant?
Nyx x Tsukuyomi+ (
Orochi, Effie, Charlotte, or Mozume)----> ?????
Syalla x________+ (Mitama, Matoi, Kinu, Ophelia)
---> Swallow Strike Sorcerer
Syalla's Marriage Options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Shinonome - Lancer, Kisaragi - Bowman, Gurei - Ninja, Hisame - Samurai, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - KnightTsukuyomi: Spellcaster, Oni, Dark Mage, _________
Nyx: Dark Mage, Outlaw, Spellcaster, _______
Syalla: Spellcaster, Oni, Dark Mage, _________, Pegasus Warrior ; +1 Str, +5 Mag, -2 Skl, +5 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +1 Res
13.
Benoit x Belka + (Tsukuyomi,
Arthur, or Flannel)---> Benoit already has Fighter
Belka x Benoit + (Oboro, Camilla, Luna,
Charlotte)--> Wyvern Lord's other faire; Breaking Sky
Ignis x ________+ (Gurei, Seigbert, Foleo, or Lutz)
----> PavGis
Ignis's marriage options:
Ignis's Marriage Options: Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Matoi - Pegasus Warrior, , Kinu - Spellcaster, Soleil - Mercenary, Ophelia - Dark Mage, Eponine - Outlaw, Velour - FighterBenoit: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern, Spellcaster (Basara)
Belka: Wyvern, Fighter, Knight, Lance Fighter
Ignis: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern, _________, Cavalier; +0 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -4 Spd, +1 Lck, +6 Def, +1 Res
14.
Flannel x Camilla + ( Nishiki, Lazward,
Arthur, or Benoit )----> Luna
Camilla x Flannel + (Hinoka, Elise, Belka, or Luna )
---> Swallow Strike
Velour x________ + ( Kanna, Sophie, Kinu, or Epoinine)
----> Sophie for Luna or Kinu for Breaking Sky
Velour's Marriage Options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus, Kisaragi - Bowman, Hisame - Samurai, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - KnightFlannel: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern, Knight
Camilla: Wyvern, Dark Mage, Fighter, Pegasus Warrior
Velour: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern, _________, _________; +5 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, -1 Lck, +4 Def, +0 Res
15.
Xander x Charlotte + ( Ryoma, Leo, Lazward, or Silas )
---> Swordfaire
Charlotte x Xander + (Rinkah, Pieri, Belka, or Nyx )
---> Ogre Strike
Seigbert x________+ (Shinonome, Foleo, or Ignis)
---> Shinonome for Lancefaire or Ignis for Pavgis (I'd lean towards Lancefaire)
Seigbert's Marriage Options:
Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Mitama - Priestess,Matoi - Pegasus Warrior, Soleil - Mercenary, Ophelia - Dark Mage, Eponine - Outlaw, Velour - FighterXander: Cavalier, Wyvern, Fighter, Samurai
Charlotte: Fighter, Rod Knight, Cavalier, Oni Savage
Seigbert: Cavalier, Wyvern, Fighter, _________, Lance Fighter; +6 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +2 Spd, +3 Lck, +0 Def, -3 Res
16.
Leon x Sakura + ( Takumi, Xander, Odin, or Zero)
---> Takumi doesn't give him much; Xander gives him Luna; Odin gives him Astra+ Swordfaire (but he uses Tomes more)… I don't think he needs Swordfaire, but Astra is more interesting here…. ????
Sakura x Leon + (
Hinoka, Hana, Elise, orAzura)---> For Rod Knight
Foleo x ________+ (Shigure, Kisaragi, Siegbert, or Ignis )
---> Shigure: Falcon Warrior uses staves too; also, provides Swallow Strike
Foleo's Marriage Options:
Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant, Syalla - Spellcaster, Kinu - Spellcaster, Soleil - Mercenary, Ophelia - Dark Mage, Eponine - Outlaw, Velour - Fighter
Leo: Dark Mage, Rod Knight, Priest, ________
Sakura: Priestess, Pegasus, Dark Mage, Rod Knight
Foleo: Rod Knight, Dark Mage, Priest, __________, Pegasus Warrior; -1 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +0 Def, +3 Res
17.
Zero x Setsuna + (Tsubaki,
Leo, Odin, or Arthur)--> Swallow Strike Doubling; can pick up some skills via shared promotion with wife's Golden Kite warrior
Setsuna x Zero + (Hinoka, Kagerou, Hana, or Luna)
---> Similar reasoning
Eponine x ________+ ( Matoi, Solei, or Velour)
---> Similar reasoning
Eponine's Marriage Options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Shinonome - Lancer, Gurei - Ninja, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - KnightZero: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, Pegasus Warrior
Setsuna: Bowman, Ninja, Outlaw, Pegasus Warrior
Eponine: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, __________, Pegasus Warrior; -1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +7 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +1 Res
18.
Odin x Elise +
(Hinata,Leo, Lazward, or Zero )--> Has sword faire to work with Mercenary
Elise x Odin + (Sakura, Camilla, Effie, or Azura )
--> Pick up Swallow strike from Azura to pass down to Ophelia
Ophelia x ________+ ( Midoriko, Syalla, or Soleil)
--> Tomefaire
Ophelia's Marriage Options
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Shinonome - Lancer, Hisame - Samurai, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - KnightOdin: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight, Mercenary
Elise: Rod Knight, Wyvern, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior
Ophelia: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight, __________, Spellcaster; +0 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, +3 Lck, -2 Def, +1 Res
19.
Arthur x Effie + (Asama, Zero,
Benoit, or Flannel )--> Outlaw or Moutain Priest… not sure what would be better….
Effie x Arthur + ( Hana, Elise, Nyx, or Mozume)
---> Astra is useful for Guard stance
Lutz x ________+ (Deere, Hisame, or
Ignis)--> Deere, so he can carry around Distinguished Son/Battle Command auras alongside his personal.
Lutz's marriage options: Kanna - Dark Mage, Sophie - Cavalier, Midoriko - Herb Merchant,
Mitama - Priestess,, Syalla - Spellcaster, Soleil - Mercenary, Ophelia - Dark Mage, Eponine - Outlaw, Velour - FighterArthur: Fighter, Cavalier, Knight, __________
Effie: Knight, Rod Knight, Fighter, Samurai
Lutz: Wyvern, Fighter, Knight, __________, Rod Knight; +5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +2 Spd, -2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res
20.
Lazward x Luna + (
Saizou, Xander, Odin, or Flannel)---> Xander (Cavalier) or Odin (for Dark Knight/Lifetaker)… not sure which to take.
Luna x Lazward + ( Setsuna, Camilla, Pieri, or Belka )
---> Maybe Setsuna…. works for her Bow Knight class to give a new faire….
Soleil x ________+ (Sophie, Mitama, Ophelia, or Eponine )---> Not sure on this one
Soleil's Marriage Options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Kisaragi - Bowman, Gurei - Ninja, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - KnightLazward: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus, __________
Luna: Mercenary, Pegasus, Ninja, Bowman
Soleil: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus, __________, __________; +1 Str, +1 Mag, +2 Skl, +2 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res
As was discussed last time, it was suggested that it would be a better allocation to reverse my pairings for Kaze/Nishiki x Mozume/Felica…… I analyze both options below
8A.
Kaze x Mozume + (
Saizou, Xander, or Silas)---> Both are cavaliers anyways
Mozume x Kaze + (Oboro, Effie, or Nyx)
---> Lancefaire
Midoriko x ________ + (Kanna, Kinu, or Ophelia)
---> Get high luck Basara and a proc skill
Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Bowman, Cavalier
Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Ninja, Lance Fighter
Midoriko: Herb Merchant (Great Merchant/Puppeteer), Samurai (Trueblade, Weapons Master), Villager, ________, Spellcaster (Basara/Exorcist); -1 Str, +1 Mag, +4 Skl, +5 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +0 Res
OR
8B.
Kaze x Felicia + (
Saizou, Xander, or Silas)---> Both are cavaliers anyways
Felicia x Kaze + (Kazahana, Pieri, or Flora)
Midoriko x ________ + (Kanna, Kinu, or Ophelia)
---> Get high luck Basara and a proc skill
Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Rod Knight, Cavalier
Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Ninja
Midoriko: Herb Merchant, Ninja, Rod Knight, ________, Spellcaster; -3 Str, +3 Mag, +3 Skl, +5 Spd, -1 Lck, -1 Def, +1 Res
Either, way, Midoriko's Marriage options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Shinonome - Lancer, Kisaragi - Bowman, Gurei - Ninja, Hisame - Samurai, Seigbert - Cavalier, Foleo - Rod Knight, Lutz - Wyvern, Ignis - Knight11.A.
Nishiki x Felicia + (Hinata, Asama, Tsukuyomi, or Flannel)
Felicia x Nishiki + (Kazahana, Pieri, or Flora)
Kinu x ________+ ( Kanna, Midoriko, Syalla, or Velour)
Nishiki: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight
Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Spellcaster
Kinu: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight, ___________, __________; +0 Str, +3 Mag, -2 Skl, +4 Spd, +2 Lck, -2 Def, +4 Res
OR
11B.
Nishiki x Mozume + (Hinata, Asama, Tsukuyomi, or Flannel)
Mozume x Nishiki + (Oboro, Effie, or Nyx)
Kinu x ________+ ( Kanna, Midoriko, Syalla, or Velour)
Nishiki: Fox, Spellcaster, Bowman, __________
Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Spellcaster, Lance Fighter
Kinu: Fox, Spellcaster, Villager, _______ ; +0 Str, +3 Mag, -2 Skl, +4 Spd, +2 Lck, -2 Def, +4 Res
Either way, Kinu's marriage options:
Deere - Rod Knight;
Shigure - Pegasus ,Shinonome - Lancer, Kisaragi - Bowman, Gurei - Ninja, Hisame - Samurai, Foleo - Rod Knight, Ignis - Knight -
So, yesterday, user "someone" helped answer the question of how personal pair-up bonuses worked when inherited to the 2nd gen.
They found that:
C-rank bonus = Father's C-rank bonus
additional B-rank bonus = Mother's additional B-rank bonus
additional A-rank bonus = Father's additional A-rank bonus
additional S-rank bonus = Mother's additional S-rank bonus
where by additional bonus I mean that new part of the bonus that gets added on for that rank. So, for example, if in pair-up a character's personal bonus was +1 Def at C-rank and +1 Def and +1 Skl at B-rank, the additional B-rank bonus would be the +1 Skl.
So, I was wondering: does this apply to attack stance support bonuses. That is, does it apply to the added hit, avoid, critical, and critical evade granted by attack stance as well?
http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/invisible-kingdom/supports/support-bonus/
So, for example, consider Hinoka!Matoi or Luna!Matoi (if my idea is correct, they should give the same result as Hinoka and Luna both give the same type of support bonuses):
C-rank bonus = Tsubaki's C-rank Bonus = +10 Hit, +5 crit evade
additional B-rank bonus = Hinoka's/Luna's additional B-rank bonus = +3 critical
additional A-rank bonus = Tsubaki's additional A-rank Bonus = +5 crit evade
additional S-rank bonus = Hinoka's/Luna's additional S-rank bonus = +5 Hit, +3 critical
Total S-rank bonus (add up all of these entries) = +15 Hit, +6 Critical, + 10 Critical Evade
If my hypothesis is correct, this is what Hinoka!Matoi/Luna!Matoi should give at S-rank in attack stance.
(For A-rank, +10 Hit, +3 critical, +10 critical evade; for B-rank, +10 Hit, +3 critical, +5 critical evade; for C-rank, +10 Hit, +5 critical evade)
If anyone could verify this, this might be a strong hint that this is how attack stance bonuses are determined for 2nd gens.
And of course, if people could check other children, report their bonuses, and then consult the table http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/invisible-kingdom/supports/support-bonus/to see what their parent's bonuses were compared to the kids' own, we could get enough examples to become fairly confident in out conclusions.
If those of you who have the game (which I don't yet) don't mind, if you'd be willing to list the attack stance Hit/Avoid/Crit/Crit Evade bonuses given in attack stance by your 2nd gens, their parents, and the support rank of the person they were supporting with in attack stance, we could figure this out once and for all.
Thanks!
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Thanks! That makes more sense.
We can also use Kannas now to ascertain the pattern for the Avatar, thus confirming whether the table that VincentASM linked to is correct or not.
ADDENDUM:
someone just posted this under their gamefaqs account on gamefaqs… its completely consisted with what they've already proposed:
Expected: +4 Speed, +4 Luck, +3 Def (Great Lord Bonus and +3 Def from Luna!Matoi predicted DEF bonus from A rank)
Actual: +4 Speed, +4 Luck, +3 Def
It works.
ADDENDUM:
OH, and by this logic, the answer to the original question of Hinoka!Matoi's pair-up stats:
+1 Spd, +1 Luck, +2 Defense, +1 Resistance
Derivation:
C: +1 Def from Tsubaki
B: +1 Luck from Hinoka
A: +1 Def from Tsubaki
S: +1 Spd, +1 Res from Hinoka
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Thanks for the added information. If you ever visit the thread again, did they have other bonuses in their other stats…. it looks like it roudns down…
So would something like Hinoka!Matoi be:
Her Mods: +1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res ---> Pair-up: +0 Str, +0 Mag, +1 Skl, +0 Spd,0 Lck, +1 Def, +1 Res ????
Now, the 1st gens have the bonus they give vary with support rank. Is there any support rank dependence here?
The 1st gens get up to 5 stat points this way. Do the kids get less/more depending on their mod distribution? How does it vary with support rank?
ADDENDUM:
I tracked down this example:
https://youtu.be/AgdljhOsVEo?t=15m1s
You have to pause with very quick timing to see it display it, but here's Shigure and Kanna (I think Azura!Kanna) on a Nohr mission, with a B-rank support between each other.
Shigure pairs with Kanna. Shigure is a Golden Kite Warrior. GKW normally gives +2 SKL, SPD, and Luck, as well as +1 Move.
B-rank Shigure gave this to Kanna: +3 SKL, +2 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Res, +1 Move.
So he's only giving 8 points of stats + 1 move at B-rank: exactly what we would expect from the first gens with a +movement promoted class, as those give 6 stat points + 1 move, then the B-rank bonus gives two points of stats.
Specifically, Shigure's bonus gives +1 extra skill and +1 Res here. The playthrough's asset/flaw is unknown.
Given that Azura gives +3 SPD (and the child bonus would be +1), we would have expected something like +2 SPD if "someone"
s hypothesis worked (although depending on the asset or flaw this might be different). And the mod stats should have given more points in other stats.
So I don't think the mod/2 method works…. it might coincidentally produce the results listed earlier, but I don't think that's what's actually going on.
Most Attractive Fates Character
in Fire Emblem Fates
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Females: Matoi, easily, at least for me. Definitely going to "waifu" her in Fates.
Males: Xander, I guess…. That said, if/when I mix things up by playing as the female Avatar after I get the game [i'll probably play as her once, even if I'll play the male Avatar most of the time], I don't know who I would have her marry….. I'd probably base it on gameplay considerations, really.