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Yeah, I definitely see your points. I admit that I'm not a master strategist, either :P I was just throwing some suggestions out there. I mean, gathering allies, for instance, is a large part of other FE's. Even in this title, there's Scarlet and her rebels, who have existed for quite some time, and it's safe to say that they aren't the only forces around. So if this strategy isn't going to work here, I would've preferred them to at least show us how that's not viable (lots of Garon supporters around, etc.), instead of throwing the same two goons in our faces. Also, there is another question that I kind of touched upon that I've been wondering about: would Hoshido really be screwed if everything were left as it is? We never really got a feel for the military strengths of the two countries, and I don't think it's right to assume that Hoshido had a smaller, weaker army. Even if Garon was [spoiler=] a slime monster that doesn't automatically secure him the win over Hoshido. Essentially, there's the possibility that Corrin screwed Hoshido over more than it would've been if Corrin just sat in a corner and cried. I dunno, just something to think about. I could tell that the other guy was just doing it for the lolz. But in the thread I mentioned, that person was specifically trying to justify Nohrian actions. I mean, I don't care at all if you like playing the bad guys, but I think there's still a difference between "I don't care; just in it for the fun" and actually trying to spin the narrative in a way that justifies immoral actions. I guess an analogy would be that I love lots of villain characters in fictional works, but I wouldn't try to justify their actions. I just think they are cool characters, and I'm certainly not a bad person for liking them. Hope that at least made some sense; I don't know if I'm communicating my ideas very effectively here...

As ridiculous as this sounds, I've actually seen people say something similar in nature to this in previous plot threads. "Well, Hoshido is a perfect kingdom anyway, they can just rebuild themselves" (in context of what happened in Conquest) is one that I remember particularly well. Oops, fixed. The other guy didn't spoiler tag so I didn't either. Sorry about that.

Uh, except I mentioned that? [spoiler=] I said I'd rather tell my siblings about Valla and disappear/die than agree to invade a country. I mean, Arete did that for the sake of Azura and Nohr, so it's safe to say that you can spill out whatever you want before dying. I even avoided mentioning the crystal ball, and I never suggested that they show it to the Nohrian siblings. Okay, let's just pretend for a moment that the crystal ball isn't a contrived plot device. Even with such a limitation, Azura and Corrin should've at least attempted other methods before resorting to the worst one possible. As I've said, why would he think that there were no other options when he didn't even try anything?

There goes the hope of Japan ever owning up to its mistakes... But I digress; don't want this to turn into a thread about real-life politics. [spoiler=] But think about this, if they had just sat on their asses, Garon would A) not be able to conquer Hoshido because he lacked the help of the hero or B) conquer Hoshido and sit his ass on the throne anyway. If scenario B were supposed to happen (without Corrin's intervention), then Corrin and Azura literally accomplished nothing. If scenario A were supposed to happen (without Corrin's intervention), then Corrin and Azura basically said "Screw you, Hoshido, gotta take care of our own country's problems first." This would be fine and all, if Corrin didn't care about Hoshido and didn't go on and on about how he wanted "peace for both countries" and "be united with his Hoshidan siblings again." So somehow, Corrin was able to convince himself that this was for the best, even though he didn't explore other options. Like, what did he even try to do behind Garon's back other than sparing a few people here and there? No secretly rallying anti-Garon forces, no sneak attacks on Garon, no nothing. So how exactly are they desperate? You can't fail at something if you haven't attempted it. Also, it's a miracle that he can live down the guilt of playing an active role in invading another country and causing the suffering of so many innocents and the deaths of the Hoshidan brothers and their retainers (well, I suppose Azura did too, since she grew up with them. But meh, she died, so I guess no one will go after her for it). If I were in Corrin's shoes, I would've rather tried telling my siblings about Valla and disappearing than agreeing to invading a country, even one without my siblings in it; I would never be able to live with that decision. So no matter how you try to spin it, their decision was a terrible one. And the Hoshidan siblings just magically forgave him at the end. Wtf? Does Conquest do justice to any character? Xander, the Hoshidan siblings, and Kaze all got s*itted on especially hard, so yeah, not much left to be desired.

Exactly. We all wish that's how Conquest could've been, but alas, it was not meant to be... It's not even a problem of Conquest ending badly (that can still be done without negatively impacting the story), but Corrin actively making stupid decisions while the game forces me to think that those decisions are intelligent ones.

Lol, I actually didn't know that, either. But in the Pre-Release Popularity Poll, he did get more votes than Jakob and Kaze, both of whom are pretty popular characters.

It's not even a problem of hindsight, though. What I (and I'm sure some others) are mad about is that Corrin pretty much immediately decided to go along with Azura's stupid plan after that stupid contrivance. No sane person would think that's an acceptable plan for "bringing peace to both nations," and one certainly doesn't need to know the future to realize that the plan is terrible. Corrin should've at least tried something, anything, before resorting to such actions. I agree. I'm biased towards Hoshido and I admit that, but some people are just not willing to do the same for Nohr.

I'm not good with exact ages, but I think it's pretty safe to say that the order goes: Xander > Ryoma > Camilla > Hinoka > Corrin > Leo >= Takumi > Sakura > Elise

I mean, at this point, I'm kinda out of f***'s to give...

Can't think of a better way to put it. ikr, but hopefully this will tempt more people to think critically about the story.

Well, I'm not surprised since [spoiler=] You can have Kaze battle and kill Saizo in Conquest and they don't say anything to each other. So yeah, I've learned to stop using common sense on these kinds of things.

I went back and reviewed my stuff cuz I was forgetting the details, and I can't stop laughing. [spoiler=] Fuga, you are a terrible friend. Wonder how you'd feel when you find out that your best friend's two sons both died because you let Nohrians through your territory. Can't wait until Garon, Iago, and Hans join the parade.

Yeah, I really wish they had the guts to pull what they did in FE4 again...

Ah, there it is. Approval by the great Thane :D

I think that would've been a fitting title for the chapter before, but the one I'm talking about is [spoiler=] Invading Hoshido Yeah, nice and straighforward. And everything only goes downhill from there. Right. I also disagree with the approach that they took with the "good vs. evil," but unfortunately, that's what we have right now. I'm just not a fan of people nitpicking on Hoshido and justifying Nohr through that. I think we should just all accept that in the context of the current narrative, it's wrong to pick Nohr if you were Corrin. Now, as a player, you are, of course, still free to love Nohr and no one will judge you for it. Ah, Naruto, brings back so many unpleasant memories... And this is coming from an avid follower for 10 years.

But given the way the two countries are set up, the game isn't really wrong. They have their flaws, but still "the good guys," since Nohr is clearly the aggressor, and as far as we know, Hoshido hasn't done anything to deserve it. "The good side" doesn't have to be perfect. Personally, I wasn't too offended by the contrivance when I first got there. But chapter 16 (especially the title) was what did it for me. Like... wtf.

It wasn't REALLY bad, I guess. But Elise came up with the suggestion that for their "bro-sis bonding activity," they should sleep together...

Tbh, I would've liked him more if his role in Conquest didn't annoy me so much... I mean, I'm definitely gonna save him, but I don't actually care that much...

Married Chrom in Awakening, and going to marry Ryoma for Birthright and Revelations, and Shura for Conquest.

I agree with this assessment. But for me, he's just kinda... there. Other than the childhood friend thing, there's just not enough characterization for him to stand out. And I can safely say that he will not place at the top of the popularity poll, even in the West. Those spots are pretty much set... Thank goodness, yes. That whole "sleeping together" thing was extremely creepy. Now it's replaced by training.

Ah, so you are close, but not yet at the part where most people start having problem with Conquest. Take your time and let me know what you think :) Going back to the whole gray morality thing. People want gray morality, right? Then why is it that when Hoshido is shown to have flaws, people pounce on it, while Nohr can get away with morally questionable actions? And what reason do they have to not antagonize Nohr and the Nohrian siblings? As far as they can tell, the Nohrian siblings are actively aiding Garon in, you know, invading their country. Yeah, no big deal. The idea that you suggested for the ending to Conquest would've been pretty nice to implement, but... IS is stupid and that's not even close to what happens.

Ah, I see. I'm actually very interested in the challenge now. Probably will start on Hard Classic and see how far I can get before pulling my hair out like my Awakening Lunatic Classic run XD

I'm guessing most people won't struggle with this problem because they have so many spouses in mind already XD

Hmmm, I clearly don't know much about this, but I guess the same doesn't apply to European royalty? Since this doesn't happen with the Nohrian siblings.

Lol, Shiro thought he outsmarted his dad, but nope. This is very interesting. I looked through all the weapons on both sides and noticed that only Takumi and Ryoma have a weapon named after them that they don't have access to without doing things like reclassing or buddy sealing. I wonder why it's just the two of them.